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Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates


dolnoslask 5 | 2,878
4 Jul 2020 #1,861
Poland should stay white and blond

That's wrong and a road to ruin, the current Polish immigration laws are fine and allow migrants to come from a wide variety of nations regardless of colour .

I think the problem arises where you have forced mass migration of large numbers that are not prepared to take on the culture of their host nation, creating micro hovels that remind them of home.

There is always the situation where the second generation of migrants are unhappy with the host culture and yearn / dream of being part of where their parents came from.

Plus I don't want anyone to think that Poland was part of the racial and economic / invading crimes committed by the European imperialist slaving nations, Poland has non of these sins to atone to.
Zlatko
4 Jul 2020 #1,862
True but I meant it's culture should stay predominantly White/European Polish. And only accept "colorful" people if they are educated. No host country needs welfare kings and queens.
Spike31 3 | 1,726
4 Jul 2020 #1,863
So the real reason you will vote PiS from your home in Britain is that you don't like Muslims

Not from my home but from a rented flat. My home, my family, my friends and my future is in Poland.

You can quote those taxes because living abroad you don't pay any of them.

I do pay taxes in both: the UK, where I work, and in Poland where I co-own a small business
cms neuf - | 1,667
4 Jul 2020 #1,864
Fair enough but my points still stands - if your business makes any money then PIS tax regime is no better than that of PO
gumishu 11 | 5,326
4 Jul 2020 #1,865
is no better than that of PO

even if the tax regime is no better you still should take into account the state of economy which was very good thanks to PiS untill the pandemy struck - maybe your business was left behind somehow if you haven't experience a rise in income
cms neuf - | 1,667
4 Jul 2020 #1,866
I was doing well until the government forcibly shut my business with no compensation and no support.

Who cares what it was like in February ? now it is completely screwed and it is the governments fault that they were unprepared for this, had overspent on kielbasa and then wouldn't support hard working Poles.
gumishu 11 | 5,326
4 Jul 2020 #1,867
now it is completely screwed and it is the governments fault that they were unprepared for this,

have you seen other goverments prepared around the world? Angela Merkel stated like in March that 60 per cent of Germans before a vaccine against the viruc can be put into use
kondzior 12 | 1,074
4 Jul 2020 #1,868
The fight for the hearts and minds of "terrible nationalists" continues...

Progressive liberal candidate Trzaskowski:
Day 1 - Hello fellow Poles, we have so much in common!
Day 2 - That "nazi march" in Warsaw i wanted to ban... yeah... I might visit it next time! Maybe!
Day 3 - Gays shouln't adopt kids.
gumishu 11 | 5,326
4 Jul 2020 #1,869
have you seen other goverments prepared around the world?

all major central banks (including the euro zone central bank) are printing money afaik to stave off the consequences of COVID
Spike31 3 | 1,726
4 Jul 2020 #1,870
I was doing well until the government forcibly shut my business with no compensation and no support.

I was against the 'quarantine measures' right from the beginning and critized Szumowski and his graphs on every given opportunity. Yet the truth is that "total opposition" which was always against everything that PiS says or does by default had suspiciously the same opinion as the government did about measures to battle a "deadly pandemia".

Yes, the only time those POKO morons could be useful and have a different opinion than the government (and to become a remotely useful for once) they remain silent and even encouraged more radical measure at the beginning of the quarantine.
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
4 Jul 2020 #1,871
I am curious would Polish women vote for brat Duda. Women like strong hand

Yes, women who still prefer male domination will vote for Duda. Those independent ones won`t.

I agree with those numbers

It seems free media also agree, more or less::

fakty.interia.pl/raporty/raport-wybory-prezydenckie-2020/aktualnosci/news-wybory-2020-sondaz-dla-dorzeczy-pl-andrzej-duda-o-wlos-wygry,nId,4592484

Who is going to vote for Trzaskowski?

Hołownia voters: 82%
Biedroń - 80
KK - 75
Bosak - 31.

That still shows Trzask needs additional votes to win.
Zlatko
4 Jul 2020 #1,872
Poland must do connections with Finland, Hungary and maybe Sweden. You don't need to be US's little puppet state, nor Germany's or Russia's. I dont think the world 'hates America'. I do think however that Americans are probably bar far the most arrogant nation of people on the planet (yes even more so than the French :-)), and it does annoy the hell out of me when they give it the ole 'if it wasnt for us you would be speaking German b$llsh@t. I dont blame them for being this way however because I think they are also probably among the worlds most 'brainwashed' people. The person that metioned clutching their heart while pledging allegience while AT SCHOOL!! says it all really! I think perhaps the North Koreans are probably even more 'brainwashed' though lol. Oh and it does make me chuckle when Americans seem to believe that they invented everything form cars to telephones to computers etc lol
Spike31 3 | 1,726
4 Jul 2020 #1,873
The only opinion polls which really counts are the elections. The rest are more or less a psychological warfare aimed at discuraging the opponents and/or mobilizing its own electorate.

Except, perhaps, for those much more precisem and much more expensive, polls which are made for internal use of political parties and which are not being shared with mass media.

It seems free media also agree

Since Interia was just recently bought by Polsat, they may be more free than mass media owned by a foreign capital such as onet, newsweek, TVN or fakt...
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
4 Jul 2020 #1,874
The only opinion polls which really counts are the elections.

Yes, exactly.

they may be more free than mass media owned by a foreign capital such as onet, newsweek, TVN or fakt...

It is a bit surprising you seem not to understand certain laws of nature. You probably swallowed too much PiS propaganda. :) Media with foreign capital are truly free coz their owners don`t care about politics, they care about profits. That is why they employ POLISH journalists to run the business for them. How do media make profit?? When they are popular among readers/viewers/listeners. You can`t deny the fact that TVN is popular among Poles and even PIS supporters use it coz they can`t stand PiS TV .

Conclusion: Polish workers of foreign capital media do their best to satisfy the needs of Polish recipients which makes them independent and free. Isn`t it obvious ?
Spike31 3 | 1,726
4 Jul 2020 #1,875
Media with foreign capital are truly free coz their owners don`t care about politics

That's a very naive thought. Mass media are not the tools for describing the reality but for creating it.

Polish workers of foreign capital media

I suggest that you learn about mass media markets in the other european countries instead of talking nonsense. Countries like Germany or France would never allow, and never did, such a concentration of foreign-owned media in their own countries. Same goes for banking sector as well btw.
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
4 Jul 2020 #1,876
such a concentration of foreign-owned media in their own countries.

Thanks God, and thanks to foreign capital, Poles can enjoy the media free of PIS control and censorship.

Countries like Germany or France would never allow, and never did,

Again, I am surprised by your lack of understanding of simple laws of nature. Anti-democratic parties like PiS would never gain whole power in Western countries. That is why France and Germany can afford their own national media coz there is no danger that a neobolshevik party like PiS will use them against democracy, like it is happening in Poland. Simple.
Spike31 3 | 1,726
4 Jul 2020 #1,877
and thanks to foreign capital, Poles can enjoy

Polsat is a Polish private capital media company and is more independent that both: state own company and foreigh own company. Same goes to wp.pl news portal which I've found much more balanced than onet.pl.

@pawian, I'm seriously starting to believe that you are suffering from an acute combination of inferiority complex (foreign=better) mixed with pure naivety.

And your misperception about Western Europe truly amazes me. Fortunately, this is not something that the younger generation of Poles shares with older Poles because we wuld be in a serious trouble.
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
4 Jul 2020 #1,878
Yes, women who still prefer male domination will vote for Duda. Those independent ones won`t.

Submissive women supported Duda and Bosak: 42,6% +4.6%
Independent women supported Trzask, Hołownia, Biedroń and KK: 51,7% altogether:

rmf24.pl/raporty/raport-wybory-prezydenckie2020/najnowsze-fakty/news-wyniki-i-tury-wyborow-prezydenckich-2020-jak-glosowaly-kobie,nId,4580540

How nice.
Ironside 49 | 10,375
4 Jul 2020 #1,879
this is not something that the younger generation of Poles shares with older Poles because we wuld be in a serious trouble.

Such a clueless fossil like he, if he is really a teacher what can he teach - no much for certain.
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
4 Jul 2020 #1,880
Polsat is a Polish private capital media company and is more independent that both

No, it isn`t. It is my third surprise today at your lack of understanding of simple laws of nature. Solorz, the owner of Polsat, needed to expand his business but that required the permission of the government: licenses etc. In order to get it, he made a secret deal with PiS and promised to cut down on criticism and enhance positive message about PiS. This deal took place 2 years ago and you could have missed it due to your absence in Poland. Solorz is a big shot but still too small for PiS` style of ruling. He had to swallow a bitter pill and change his ways.

So, when you talk about independent Polsat owned by a Polish businessman, I can only laugh: hahaha

acute combination of inferiority complex (foreign=better) mixed with pure naivety.

hahaha I see you are rejecting all my reasonable arguments. Let it be so. Peace. :)

Such a clueless fossil like he,

hahaha isn`t it amusing you aren`t able to talk to me directly, but need intermediaries instead? Scared shytless, Iron? buhahaha
Spike31 3 | 1,726
4 Jul 2020 #1,881
This deal took place 2 years ago and you could have missed it due to your absence in Poland

You're funny, @pawian. I could live in the Brazilian jungle for the last decade or two and I would have exactly the same info as you do off the internet and mass media. Unless you're meaning to tell me that you've got some first-hand insider info from Solorz (or PiS government) there's really no reason telling me that :-)

I see you are rejecting all my reasonable arguments

The problem is that you're arguments are deeply emotional and seldom logical.

I'm going for a pint in a good company. The pubs are open, end of deadly pandemia. You just relax and think about my words before going to bed.
Ironside 49 | 10,375
4 Jul 2020 #1,882
isn`t it amusing you aren`t able to talk to me directly,

What is the point in talking to the fossil?
OP pawian 171 | 12,080
4 Jul 2020 #1,883
I could live in Brazilian jungle for last decade or two and I would have exactly same info as you do off internet and media

Spike, the fourth surprise on my part at your lack of understanding of basic laws of nature. Yes, you would have an access to all info about Poland but you wouldn`t use it in full coz you would be preoccupied with jungle issues as well. Right now you are residing in GB and it is natural you have to divide your time between two countries. While I enjoy the privilige of being able to focus only on one country - Poland. You will never be able to beat me in that. Forget it. Coz, let me use your own words on you now, I will share a little secret with you: Poland is my positive obsession - number one, even before my farming hobby. hahaha

The problem is that you're arguments are deeply emotional and seldom logical.

I see that you are in self-denial right now. OK, you need time to reconsider what I wrote.

I'm going for a pint in a good company. The pubs are open, end of deadly pandemia.

I see : jungle issues replace Polish ones. hahaha

What is the point in talking to the fossil?

Are you going to put me on ignore to avoid stress? I would certainly miss discussions with you. hahahaha
mafketis 23 | 8,543
4 Jul 2020 #1,884
rabs and Turks and as individuals they're very nice and friendly

reminiscent of Latin Americans, lovely individuals but they have no idea how to run a country...

PO on the other hand wanted to take in muslim "refugees"

No one seriously believed they'd stay in Poland when the border to Germany was open.... that was face-saving for Merkel, political kabuki that quickly became untenable.
Crow 139 | 8,170
4 Jul 2020 #1,885
Yes, women who still prefer male domination will vote for Duda

Good. Those have preserved morherly instinct.
Zlatko
5 Jul 2020 #1,886
And who's the childlike-looking guy?
Crow 139 | 8,170
5 Jul 2020 #1,887
Who? We maybe don`t wish to know.
Zlatko
5 Jul 2020 #1,888
I got the Who should vote for test and one of the candidates for Polsih presidents looks much younger than his age, almost like a college aged kid (I really though he was college aged at first).
gumishu 11 | 5,326
5 Jul 2020 #1,889
looks much younger than his age, almost like a college aged kid

it's Krzysztof Bosak from Konfederacja
Zlatko
5 Jul 2020 #1,890
Yes, that's the one, looks like a college kid so maybe that's a minus for attaining a position of power.

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