Scandals, conflicts, tensions, arguments - real life examples from Poland

Why "again"? Could you explain?

And, no, I'm just making fun of Ironside's views.


The death of a parent doesn't affect kids in any way? Really? Links?


Like becoming priests who don't follow celibacy? ;D


Yup.

Disingenous.... and I'm talking about longterm outcomes. There the data is pretty clear. Children of mothers who are single by choice or fecklessness have worse longer term outcomes (criminality, education, employment, dysfunctional relationship patterns) than do children of single, widowed parents.

How is that "disingenous"? You made a claim and I'm asking you to prove it with links (research).


Then provide link to that data.


And what about children of mothers who aren't single "by choice or fecklessness" or due to becoming a widow, but due to their fathers dumping their family?


I'm guessing the same can be said about children from "whole", but pathological/dysfunctional families. I'm afraid that if priests were to be chosen only from perfect families the list of candidates who'd be allowed would grow very thin ;) There aren't many willing already as it is...

By "affect" I mean their psychological health and the resulting longterm outcomes that you mentioned. I'm asking because I had a classmate at highschool who lost both of her parents and she had to be on antidepressants all the time. She complained that they made her sleepy and "slow" (she meant thinking, learning). Of course, it's not the same as losing one parent, but still...

You are not qualified to make fun of my views. First of all, you are a fool, not my equal.

Are you talking to a mirror again, Ironside?

Just because she doesn't like you doesn't make her a fool.

I respect her for calling me names so much that I would buy her a dinner if I could.

I am sure we would have a very lively conversation...

Cause you're too intellectually lazy to do the work yourself?

Do the searching the data is out there.

Can you seriously say that with a straight face? She is the least lazy of the posters here, usually providing multiple sources to back up her posts.

And if you claim something you should be able to back it up.

It will mean more to her if she finds it herself.

Are you trying to be witty again, Lenka? It's fallen flat like always.
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You are another one who doesn't qualify to be my equal. Your post proves without doubt. She can dislike me, no problem, but being a stuck-up fool is another matter. I have been tolerating it for a long time just because she is a woman, and you would expect less from a woman, but enough is enough. A delusional idiot like her doesn't understand most of the arguments and has the cheek to make condescending posts. What a joke.
Memo to Novichoc:
Hey, if you do not have dementia, you should pretend to have one; people would tolerate your BS more.

What prejudiced, unscientific crap you are peddling? It is not based on statistics but on your idiocy. Have you ever worked part-time in prostitution? There, you can find a dump specimen like you.
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Do you mean orthodox or Orthodox?
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Your delusional crap is useless to everyone. I'm saying, based on years of your posting, that it is very possible you wouldn't be able to distinguish between gold and **** if served in a nice package. It is not a mere opinion; it is an educated guess.
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What proof do you expect?
An epiphany delivered straight into your head? Let's be honest here, no matter what source I post, you would find a flaw in them, because you don't care about facts, you believe in what you like to believe, as it makes you feel better.
As the saying goes, if you want to drink from a spring, you need to kneel.
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I suppose that passes in your world of dummies for an argument? lol!

Said by someone who spend half of his post offending his interlocutor and the other half explaining why he can't back up his statement...

I mean Orthodox.

I've heard/read many times from Orthodox priests, that if all the followers disappear - the Church will still be just fine. One day it will come back to life anyway.

But if it corrupts itself, bends this way and that, then such a Church will disappear from the Earth, because in the end - its power is Truth, and Truth cannot be changing.

I always thought this position was hilarious. A Church so proud of its traditions, that it doesn't care if it has any believers left.

It's not a new position either. In the 3-4th centuries some of the Patristic texts were already voicing this strange position.

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So when you said - "If there are no good priests, then there should be no priests" - I laughed.

I think someone who's been as long as you on PF knows the answer to this question - probably even those who dislike me do.

What is going on with you, maf?


No, it won't. It does matter to me though if you respect me enough to provide sources for your claims when I'm asking you for it, because this is what I'm always trying to do myself when I'm discussing with others. So it's actually fair of me to expect that from people I'm discussing with.


Sorry, but we women have enough of doing work for lazy men :))) You make the claim, you provide the proof - that's the most basic rule. I'm not going to waste my time and do your job for you. Until then I'm just going to assume you're talking out of your ass.


And that's one of the reasons I'm not writing on regular basis on PF anymore. It takes too much time for me. It's quick and easy for trolls and psychos here to spout nonsense and lies, but in order to refute all their crap I have to do research, usually read multiple sources, choose the most credible and reliable ones and often make some summary and write the more important stuff in bold, because I know they most probably won't read what's in the link and pretend they "missed" my comments, so I have to throw it in their faces.

And unlike some of them and mafketis I'm writing in a foreign lanuague which means checking spelling and making sure there are no serious mistakes in my posts.

So, no, considering all the work I've been doing on this forum and how much time I wasted here I'm not going to do other people's job on here on principle. No f*cking way.

I would prefer to eat a dinner at your house in order to check if your wife is real/OK lol I conversed with you enough already, so I'd have some serious questions for her. Of course, I'd have some serious questions for you too, but I doubt you'd answer them honestly or at all.


Now that's what I call "a joke" ;D You literally made me laugh out loud. 😂😂😂🤦


Of course not, just like the nonsense that you posted about homosexuals in this thread isn't based on anything but your prejudices :)))


Just like that article about the history of tattoos in Europe that I posted recently? :) I myself found it to be very interesting and educational. 🤔


Research, data, statistics. You haven't posted any.

For example, earlier on this thread I wrote that according to research majority of Polish priests don't follow celibacy. Here's the link:

natemat.pl/25743,60-proc-ksiezy-jest-w-zwiazkach-z-kobietami-prof-baniak-autor-badania-prawdziwa-skala-jest-jeszcze-wieksza

You see? This is how it works in a discussion among normal adults. You make a claim, you provide a link.

slate.com/human-interest/2012/07/single-motherhood-worse-for-children.html

that references several studies (links to some are dead but possibly traceable)

this link is still live: pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2764264/

amazon.com/Growing-Up-Single-Parent-Hurts/dp/0674364082

I'll look up some more in the coming days...

Nuvver one!

"Single Mother Parenting and Adolescent Psychopathology"

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5226056/