Ryszard Czarnecki - Poland's politician and Member of the European Parliament

So there's no rule in EU to punish a MEP for the stuff he said OUTSIDE of European Parliament. The EU nazis try and will punish Czarnecki anyway.

There's a rule in EU to punish a MEP for badmouthing others WITHIN European Parliament yet the Hitler-looking Verhofstadt will not be punished for saying (during EU parliament meeting!) that on the 11th of November 60 thousand of nazists marched on the Polish Independence Day therefore badmouthing Polish patriots.

Double standards much?
EU is about equality? ROFLED

More info please. What is this about? What is Ryszard Czarnecki being punished for saying? Do you have a link?

He called other MEP (on Twitter) Róża Thun von something a "szmalcownik".
Szmalcownik was a term to describe a person that betrays Jews for money.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szmalcownik

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%B3%C5%BCa_Thun

wiadomosci.wp.pl/ryszard-czarnecki-obrazil-europoslanke-roza-thun-odpowiada-denny-poziom-6208847325501569a

Today (12 o'clock poolish time) there's a voting to dismiss Czarnecki from his function in the EU.

DOUBLE STANDARDS

lifesitenews.com/news/former-belgian-prime-minister-faces-lawsuit-for-claiming-polish-marchers-we

NO REPERCUSSIONS!!!

reddit/r/europe/comments/7ebxdv/verhofstadt_to_be_sued_for_his_60000_nazis

Oh yeah, this was because she was going to foreign [German] media and telling nasty tails about Poland, so he made the comparison to the szmalcownicy who betrayed Jews.

That's stupid if the EU parliament is indeed going to vote to dismiss him. How can you lose your position because of something you say? It wasn't even that bad. I mean, Korwin has said way worse things in the EU parliament and nothing has happened to him. Why? Because he isn't part of PiS, and the EU despises the current government so they will take any opportunity to hit them.

It's a classic case of projection, accusing others of one's own moral failings.

It doesn't matter what he is accusing her of. The deal is THERE'S NO RULE (LAW) IN THE EU PARLIAMENT THAT ALLOWS TO PUNISH A MEP FOR SOMETHING A MEP SAID/DID OUTSIDE OF THE PARLIAMENT!

IN FACT THERE"S A RULE (LAW) THAT ALLOWS TO PUNISH A MEP FOR THINGS HE/SHE SAID WITHIN EU PARLIAMENT HALLS. YET VERHOFSTADT INSULTED 60k POLES THAT MARCHED ON THE 11th of NOVEMBER 2017 BY CALLING THEM "NAZIS" ON AN OFFICIAL EU PARLIAMENT MEETING AND HE WON'T BE PUNISHED

All that stuff just clearly show that EU isn't about equality but about cliques and bussiness of elites who run that abomination of an UNION.

**** EU
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BBegota

France, Slovakia, Norway all collaborated with Germans. POLAND NEVER!

How many german genociders did the USA give shelter to?

He wasn't punished, he was merely sacked as a Vice President of the European Parliament.

The important thing to note is that, just as with the Rule of Law issue last year, the decision to remove Czarnecki from his post of responsibility was taken by his fellow MEPs who voted to do so.

The guy, PiS member, is involved in a fraud scandal right now. It was proven he had illegally claimed the reimbursement of travel expenses from Brussels to Poland for trips which didn `t take place in fact. It is about 100.000 PLN.

Not bad. PiS politicians in action, as usual. Coz we deserved that money!

Old article in English
euronews.com/2020/08/04/ryszard-czarnecki-senior-polish-mep-under-investigation-over-travel-expenses

New article in Polish
businessinsider.com.pl/twoje-pieniadze/ryszard-czarnecki-musi-oddac-pieniadze-za-podroze/k3q5f7x

It's actually 100k euro.

businessinsider.com.pl/wiadomosci/nie-tylko-ryszard-czarnecki-lista-politykow-ktorzy-mogli-naciagac-podatnikow-jest/fkz3bff

oko.press/czarnecki-musi-zwrocic-parlamentowi-europejskiemu-nawet-100-tys-euro/

It is always a mystery to me -- the level of greed of some people. He was the vice-president of the European Parliament, he was raking it in (he was a European MP for 16 years!). And still he felt it necessary to cheat and steal the European taxpayers' money (and the travel expenses were peanuts compared to his official earnings). If it happened during PO's reign it would be a scandal on a national scale, and today--nothing--Czarnecki is still a PiS member and he is still writing articles for PiS-controlled newspapers and magazines. A moral authority, one might say.

Mind boggles.

Why? Do you naively believe that those politicians and that system set in Brussels is for them to actually do something useful? Its all there to corrupt people, in other words to give them an ample opportunity to take as much money they can. I bet rules are ambiguous as to traveling expenses on purpose so they can if someone is not careful enough use it to pull on his string whilst others with the same or worse attitude towards traveling expenses won't even get mention. That of course doesn't excuse that poor excuse of a man.

That is where all those European funds go.


By the way it says list of politicians that might ...... so just a guess,.

No surprises here, alas.

TKM.

Where was proven in Wyborcza? Lol! Try again!

He was asked by the Commission to submit evidence for his travels. I think he produced some strange receipts, but don't remember details of this fraud of his.

Anyway, it wasn't a Wyborcza-only issue. The PiS-controlled media obviously did not pay any attention (in case this is your only source of information on Poland).

newsweek.pl/polska/sikorski-afera-wyjazdy-wlasnym-samochodem-koszt-sejmu-newsweekpl/3jkmyty
or here polityka.pl/tygodnikpolityka/kraj/1602077,1,sikorski-tlumaczy-sie-z-podrozy-za-80-tys-zlotych.read

Radosław Sikorski was not much better if you ask me (if the reports on Czarnecki are true - I'm not in the position to judge - however if they are true he should resign if you ask me)

Well, he wasn't as his fraud is claimed to be at 80k zloty whereas that of Czarnrcki stands at 100k euro.

All our political system is build on a fraud. It encourage and enables fraud. Talking about so called liberal democracy.
For a real democracy to exist there should be strong middle class that outnumbers both those enormously rich and those who are poor or a hired help.

Such a middle class imbedded in Christian values, strong with civic duties and having a stake in running a country i.e. taxes.
Once the balances are disturbed all that talk about democracy is just screen smoke and mirrors and the real deals goes behind the curtain.

Retargeting so called citizen to a role of populous (not even plebs) in the ancient Rome.

According to the information by the European Parliament, Czarnecki has already begun returning the money. :)

money.pl/gospodarka/ryszard-czarnecki-musi-oddac-pieniadze-chodzi-o-niebagatelna-kwote-6627919130934080a.html

Is he not being prosecuted for fraud?

Well, no friends in the high places then, anyway he always was an a-hole.

A politician? Prosecuted for fraud? In Poland? Are you kidding me?

That would be a nightmare, thin edge of the wedge. We don't have nearly enough prosecutors, judges and prisons to open this Pandora's box.


I am not a keen admirer of his political talents either.

while post-Soviet mentality rule that the way it rolls.

Yes,. exactly. PIS are covering all their frauds and thievery and trying to sweep them under the carpet.


Darling, I see you act faster than you think. :):): It isn`t the best approach here - one might call you an imbecile for doing it. Be careful. :):)

Slightly kidding, however immunity can be stripped and once, just once, a Polish government might decide to do something decent that reflects well on their country at an international level rather than just causing distaste and inviting ridicule.


In Britain and a few other places there are special prison wings where they put naughty police, prosecutors, judges and politicians both local and national (for their own safety largely). I mentioned this once in Poland and the general consensus was that this was a good idea.

Of course Soviet-style immunity for politicians, prosecutors etc is a PRL hangover that subsequent administrations haven't got rid of. For the obvious reason.

I remember that several years ago the media outside Poland were publishing some fairly scathing articles about Czarnecki's character. AFAIK there was a photograph doing the rounds that was part of that. I suppose we'll see more media coverage if they've run out of Covid/BidenFootball stuff. Unless Russia invades Ukraine in which case it will all be forgotten.

What is the "dobra zmiana" then for if not for putting an end to it?

Why has Notty, the OP of this thread, been suspended for so long !!!?

Yes, we have repeated it here for years - PiS came into power to get rid of frauds by political class. They claimed it was enough to stop stealing. Today they steal more than all previous governments combined. Rightists, tfu!!

Dobra zmiana - good change is often mocked as podła zmiana - nasty change.

What? After three years I knew they are not a good change but only a slightly better one, Right know they are agreeing on stuff with EU that makes them equal with all the previous post-Soviet rabble.


That is your claim which as always is BS.
Fact is that none even one lost money that had been stolen or went to jail from the previous set of politicians and their cronies.

They promises empty slogans.

Czarnecki was detained 2 days ago on charges of massive corruption at a university for PiS elites which granted MB degrees after 3 months course.
He is also accused of fraudulent acquisition of EU funds which covered his alleged travel expenses.
The rightist Law and Justice politician, during his term as an MEP, allegedly traveled to Brussels in such unusual vehicles as a tractor-trailer and a Chinese moped. According to investigators, Ryszard Czarnecki allegedly defrauded over PLN 854,000. The PiS politician tried to explain that everything was the fault of his assistants. Meanwhile, according to the latest data, it was, among other things, the explanations of the MEP's associates that gave the prosecutor's office the basis for bringing charges.

PIS rightists are not only maniacal liars but also thieves and frauds. Tfu!!!

tbc

That`s how Polish media are obliged to share the image of the accused PIS politician.

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Should be prison for this dude. The fake degrees are proper 3rd world behavior and a terrible example to young people spending their own money to get real degrees.