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Russian agents plan sabotage acts in Poland???


pawian 221 | 24216
18 Aug 2023 #1
Amasing news provided by Washington Post about Russians recruiting agents in Poland to blow up trains delivering armament to Ukraine. Seems too crazy to believe. Those Russians!

But, it is also possible that PIS gov is trying to stir up the atmosphere before the coming elections and show they are so successful in protecting Poland from foreign threats.

Who knows?? That is why I put those question marks in the title.

onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/the-washington-post-rosja-miala-zalozyc-w-polsce-grozna-siatke-zostala-rozbita/nx023ny,79cfc278

"The Washington Post": The Russians were planning an attack in Poland. They wanted to derail the train
Russian intelligence was planning a terrorist attack in Poland , The Washington Post reports. The spy network broken up by the ABW was supposed to observe the tracks and try to derail the train with arms deliveries to Ukraine. Moscow's spies were to be recruited through social media.

At the beginning of 2023, strange job offers appeared on the Polish Internet. They were mainly about putting up posters and pro-Russian stickers. Over time, the anonymous employer demanded more and more. He wanted agents to observe and photograph railway routes, seaports and other strategic objects. According to The Washington Post, in March the ringleaders demanded the derailment of a train carrying weapons for Ukraine (80 percent of deliveries to Kiev go through Poland).

According to the data provided to the American title by the ABW, the operation was based on the classic structure of cells that shared functions - including logistics, observation and task execution.

"Each cell had its leader, a trusted person of Russian intelligence," an ABW officer quoted by the Washington Post said. "Those at the lower levels were kept secret and didn't know each other unless it was necessary," the agency added.

As The Washington Post writes, initially the secret services wanted to observe the "railway" network to learn as much as possible about it. However, the ABW had to stop the operational game when it turned out that the action related to the derailment of the train was too advanced. The services broke up the network and arrested its members. An ABW officer said that at least two recruits had volunteered to carry out the attack and that the place and time had already been agreed.

The American newspaper quoted unnamed senior Polish officials as saying that "the conspiracy has already crossed a dangerous line."

- This is the first sign that the Russians are trying to organize sabotage and even terrorist attacks in Poland - said Stanisław Żaryn, Government Plenipotentiary for the Security of the Information Space of the Republic of Poland, in an interview with "The Washington Post".

As reported by The Washington Post, recruits were given tasks related to the organization of arson and terrorist attacks. The interlocutors of the newspaper from the ABW circle, however, do not specify what exactly it was supposed to be about.

Russian intelligence reaches out to young people who can travel unnoticed. The youngest recruited was 16 years old. Russian spies received relatively small rates for their actions - from a few to a dozen or so dollars. The derailment of the train was "valued" at several hundred dollars. All transactions were carried out in cryptocurrencies to cover the tracks.

On Monday, the Internal Security Agency identified and detained two Russians who had posted propaganda materials of the Wagner Group in Krakow and Warsaw. The detainees Alexei T. and Andriej G. posted a total of about 300 leaflets of this type.

Novichok 5 | 7761
18 Aug 2023 #2
Seems too crazy to believe.

Treat it as just another case of freedom of speech.

Let's try this ... Mind your own damn business.
OP pawian 221 | 24216
18 Aug 2023 #3
Mind your own damn business.

Who exactly???
Novichok 5 | 7761
18 Aug 2023 #4
Poles and Poland. Not you personally.

What two ex-Soviet republics are doing is nobody's business. By opening your arms to Ukrainian refugees. Poland prolonged the war and made it a lot worse.

Few things end wars faster than civilian casualties. Why do you think Japan folded so quickly? Fanatics with guns would fight for the next 100 years...

I reject the idea that one woman or a child is more precious than 10 men when the tribe's existence is at stake.
jon357 73 | 22638
19 Aug 2023 #5
We shouldn't underestimate the degree of penetration by r*SSian agents and intelligence assets in Europe as a whole. The US too probably (remember all those 'sleeper agents' that were caught?). And the three Bulgarians on trial in the U.K.

It seems to be pretty well every major country, lots in Germany and according to the media, ongoing trials. It's hard to imagine them skipping Poland, especially as Poland has a direct land border with both r*SSia and Ukraine.

Hopefully any saboteurs will be caught, and hopefully their trials will be reported publicly. I've a feeling though that exposure of agents won't be considered as being in the public interest due to the effect it might have on people. Nobody likes traitors. Either way, I hope the ABW or whoever find them and stop them. Traditional Polish r*SSophobia is justified given r*SSia's behaviour and perhaps this reduces the number of people likely to cooperate with r*SSia.

With the large number of Ukrainian refugees coming out of Ukraine, it's hard to imagine r*SSia not using that as a way to get their spooks in.
Paulina 16 | 4316
19 Aug 2023 #6
What two ex-Soviet republics are doing is nobody's business.

You're being a hypocrite, as usual. If Ukraine is "RuSSia's business" then it's also Poland's business and what RuSSia is doing to Ukraine and it's people is Poland's business too, according to your logic. So, kindly "f" off :)
Novichok 5 | 7761
19 Aug 2023 #7
Simple.

Ask Putin if he has any unpleasant plans regarding Poland. Or you can take from me that he does not.

He said it repeatedly that he would not allow Ukraine to join NATO. This made Western warmongers very happy to hear it. It meant military conflict, profits, and happiness. And that is why the scumbags nixed all attempts to negotiate a peaceful solution - even when Mr. Z was ready. They told him to sit down and STFU. I am so sorry for using a bad word.

Cookies are in the back of the classroom.
Paulina 16 | 4316
19 Aug 2023 #8
Simple.

Ask Putin if he has any unpleasant plans regarding Poland. Or you can take from me that he does not.

Ask Biden and Duda/NATO if they have any unpleasant plans regarding RuSSia. Or you can take from me that they don't.

Simple :)
Novichok 5 | 7761
19 Aug 2023 #9
I just talked to Putin and he assured me that he doesn't give a fu*ck about their plans. He also said that plans can change when the next Western a-hole (западный мудак) is elected.

Then he said: What will not change is Russia's determination to keep Ukraine out of NATO and CDL in the Russian Federation. Anything else, Mr. Novi?

No. Thanks.
Paulina 16 | 4316
19 Aug 2023 #10
I just talked to Putin

I just talked to Biden and Duda and they assured me that they don't give a f*ck about Putin's plans. They also said that Putin's/RuSSia's plans can change when opportunity arises.

Then they said: What will not change is our determination to keep Ukraine independent.

You're silly and boring, Novichok.
Novichok 5 | 7761
19 Aug 2023 #11
What will not change is our determination to keep Ukraine independent.

How is that plan moving along, dear naive child?
You do know that this plan needs useful idiots, don't you? The last I heard was that Russians are turning many of them into dog food and fertilizer, to quote my dear buddy, PAK...

Even the Ukrainians use "meat grinder" when describing how Ukraine is "winning".
OP pawian 221 | 24216
19 Aug 2023 #12
Nobody likes traitors.

I forgot to say that right now it is not known if any Poles are involved. Services detained Russians and Ukrainians.
Paulina 16 | 4316
19 Aug 2023 #13
How is that plan moving along, dear naive child?

More successfully than RuSSia's plans, old man :)

The last I heard was that Russians are turning many of them into dog food and fertilizer, to quote my dear buddy, PAK...

Ukrainians are turning more RuSSians into dog food and fertilizer than the other way around. I mean that literally, because apparently RuSSians often leave their dead behind and don't give them proper burial, unlike the Ukrainians.
Novichok 5 | 7761
19 Aug 2023 #14
OK, it's time for a summary:

CDL is Russian forever.
Ukraine will never be in NATO - if it exists at all.
Poland is fu*cked, broke, and bi-lingual.
US debt inching to 50 trillion.
jon357 73 | 22638
19 Aug 2023 #15
I forgot to say that right now it is not known if any Poles are involved

That's a plus, however we shouldn't underestimate how pernicious r*SSia is or how far a few thousand zl could go to persuade someone working in a low paid job in a strategic sector.

I suspect anything really bad wouldn't necessarily be made public. Espionage matters in many countries are often kept out of the public domain and dealt with privately.

I equally suspect that the ABW etc know their job very well and are being extra vigilant at the moment.
Paulina 16 | 4316
19 Aug 2023 #16
OK, it's time for a summary:

Nothing is forever.
Ukraine will always exist and we'll make sure it's independent.
Poland is strong, getting armed and strengthening alliances.
RuSSia will think 10 times, at least, before attacking any NATO country and starting World War III or invading another neighbour.
Novichok 5 | 7761
19 Aug 2023 #17
RuSSia will think 10 times, at least, before attacking any NATO country

Russia never planned to attack any NATO country. The US, along with the UK and Poland attacked Iraq.

CDL will be Russian forever enough.

Quoting:

Germany will 'never' place troops in Ukraine - Scholz

Never is in the same category as forever.
Paulina 16 | 4316
19 Aug 2023 #18
Russia never planned to attack any NATO country.

NATO never planned to attack RuSSia.

The US, along with the UK and Poland attacked Iraq.

RuSSia attacked Georgia and Ukraine.
Besides, this is not comparable. Iraq was a small, weak country in comparison to RuSSia. RuSSia is a nuclear superpower. Nuclear superpowers don't get attacked by other countries, even if those countries are nuclear superpowers too. Example - Cold War. It's enough to use your brain to realise this. So, my conclusion is that you and Putin are either not using your brains or you're both lying.

CDL will be Russian forever enough.

What the hell is "CDL" anyway? Commercial Driver's License? lol
OP pawian 221 | 24216
19 Aug 2023 #19
how far a few thousand zl could go to persuade someone working in a low paid job

I don`t think that a normal Pole would go for it. Even nationalists who love Russia and hate Ukraine wouldn`t. . If they derailed a train and caused fatalities, they would get 25 years minimum. I don`t think nationalists are that stupid.
Novichok 5 | 7761
19 Aug 2023 #20
RuSSia attacked Georgia and Ukraine.

Both ZERO miles from Russia. I would attack my neighbor if he was playing with fireworks in his basement.

How far is Baghdad from DC, Londonistan, and Warsaw? At least 100 miles. Right?

Iraq was a small, weak country in comparison to RuSSia. RuSSia is a nuclear superpower.

You just admitted that it is the Russian nukes that kept Western warmongers from attacking Russia, not because NATO is cute, cuddly, and mostly peaceful.

You also admitted that North Korea was right to get its own. You also admitted that the Western scum attacked Iraq because it was weak, not because it was a threat to the US.

You know...you can't be a threat and "weak" at the same time. What a dilemma...How to lie to justify that invasion...Hmm...Weak and mortal threat...Let me think...

Please, never try to be on my debate team or my lawyer. You are not good enough.
jon357 73 | 22638
19 Aug 2023 #21
I don`t think that a normal Pole would go for it

Not so much 'normal' Poles as some nieciekawy guy or a psycho or an alike.

We've had traitors in the U.K. (as every major country has) and they have usually been people with issues. No normal Pole would be a Stalin-era hanging judge or a Mafia Don however both sadly existed.
Paulina 16 | 4316
19 Aug 2023 #22
Both ZERO miles from Russia.

So?

How far is Baghdad from DC, Londonistan, and Warsaw? At least 100 miles. Right?

So?

None of this changes the fact that RuSSia is a nuclear superpower and nuclear superpowers don't get attacked by others countries. That's the experience, that's the pattern - those are facts.

You also admitted that the Western scum attacked Iraq because it was weak, not because it was a threat to the US.

From RuSSian perspective it doesn't matter if Iraq was a threat or not, but that it was weak. The Soviet Union was and RuSSia is potentially a far greater threat to the US than Iraq was and ever will be. And yet the Soviet Union and RuSSia were never attacked by the US or NATO. So, yes, it's clearly enough to be strong enough (or simply to have lots of nukes, which RuSSia does have) in order to not get attacked by the US.

There are other ways besides having nukes in order not to get attacked by the US, of course. The Saudi Arabia, for example, is swimming in oil and yet the US didn't invade it, even though they could swipe that country from the face of the Earth. Why? Because both countries have good relations.

Don't want to get invaded by the US? Then be friends with the US and the West. Simple :)
Ironside 50 | 12338
19 Aug 2023 #23
I bet they are and they will... isn't that obvious? I think US agency work full time here in Poland.
Plus our own work on that too.
So far they seems to be doing OK.
OP pawian 221 | 24216
19 Aug 2023 #24
I think US agency work full time here in Poland.

Quite possible. They did during President Biden`s visit to Poland and Ukraine.
Novichok 5 | 7761
19 Aug 2023 #25
So?

Distance, like length, matters.
Barney 16 | 1689
19 Aug 2023 #26
Don't want to get invaded by the US? Then be friends with the US and the West. Simple :)

US foreign policy in a nut shell. Translation do what we say or else
jon357 73 | 22638
19 Aug 2023 #27
do what we say or else

People in Ukraine, Georgia, Ossetia, Chechnya, a part of Moldova, Eastern Karelia etc might well say the same about r*SSia.
Barney 16 | 1689
19 Aug 2023 #28
@jon357
Undoubtedly they would and that's the point. All nations spy on each other, more so in times of war it's not surprising
jon357 73 | 22638
19 Aug 2023 #29
it's not surprising

It's not at all surprising. Countries put a lot of effort and expense into it, r*SSia and China probably more than most if not all other countries put together.

In Poland, it's a particular risk because of Poland's staunch opposition to the illegal invasion, proximity, linguistic similarity and of course the ability of orcs to pass as Ukrainians, many of whom are here.
Paulina 16 | 4316
20 Aug 2023 #30
Translation do what we say or else

Well, I don't know about that... For example, when oil prices went up due to sanctions that were put on RuSSia, the US wanted Saudi Arabia to increase their oil production in order to lower oil prices, but the Saudis didn't agree. I'm not sure if I remember right, but I think they even decreased their production and prices went up even more. As a result the US had to tap into their own reserves, I think. 🤔

So, Saudi Arabia stood up to the US and nothing happened. They're still not getting invaded :P :))

Undoubtedly they would and that's the point.

Now, now, you won't tell me that RuSSia wouldn't like to be treated the way it's treating other countries, will you :))))

Of course, to some extent I kind of used Novichok's and RuSSia's way of reasoning/rhetoric against them: "Why can't you just be friends with RuSSia??? Why won't you simply do what RuSSia tells you to do???? Then we all could be friends*!" :D

*It doesn't mean that RuSSia won't invade you if it's going to be in RuSSia's interest, but... why not be friends in the meantime! :D ;D

🤗

What I wrote is the reality though - nuclear powers don't get attacked by other countries and if you're not hostile towards the US the likelihood of being invaded by them equals pretty much zero.


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