What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus?

Why they not convert to the true faith first?
Pagan, I do not consider a human being.

Why would they? Perhaps you forget that freedom of religious belief and practice has long been a deeply held value in Poland.


Fortunately for humanity, you are almost unique in that weird view.

And they aren't 'pagan' either.

I am no walking into theirs countries to force my beliefs on them. Then again, I am not obliged to take care for every cultist who happens to show up on the border of Poland.


They are not Christians. It means pagan in my book.

It was provoked by Belarus but the conduct of our border guards is simply illegal in many respects, and there are some guards who are definitely over-zealous (to put it mildly).

Read the book, Pawian, and then tell me if we are not guilty of barbarity. There are interviews with both sides, also border guards. Well worth reading.

They're hardly working in everyday conditions, however yes, compassion is essential. They are victims not perpetrators.


Nor are they.


Your 'book' is clearly not a dictionary.

Read the book, Jon, and then tell me they - at least some of them - are not perpetrators.

Apart from that, both European and Polish migration/asylum laws are being broken on the border daily.

Sure, we haven't started this but are we the same c*unts as this unwashed chuj Lukaszenka and his thugs?

When people from Africa and Middle East were trying to reach Poland through Belarus they were simply illegal immigrants, allowing themselves to be used in Lukashenko's vile plan for a prospect of better life in the West. They were not threatened by war in Belarus, it was basically a safe harbor for them. By stopping them we were defending European borders and gaining actual (yet silent) gratitude from the EU.

Should we let Africans and Arabs in and allow them to travel to Germany, Belgium or France? It's not like they intended to stay in Poland anyway. PiS literally refused to take in 10k refugees from Syria that PO promised to take in and EU could grumble at most. Its way less powerful than you may think.

When the Ukrainian people were trying to reach Poland after February 24, they were fleeing actual warzone, which made them real refugees.

That's something that the guards should try very hard not to do.


No. The people who have to deal with a situation (whether they get it 100% right or whether they struggle with that aren't the same as those who deliberately caused it.

@Korvinus

Everything you have written is true. There are, however, certain laws in force in Poland that regulate conduct towards people crossing Polish border illegaly.

These procedures do not include pushing people back across the border, breaking their cell phones, taking away their shoes in -10 degrees celsius temperatures, beating them up, separating caught families and pushing them back over the fence separately, every person in a different place etc.

Just read the book, guys, and decide on your own if that's what you think Poland should do.

No, Poland should tell them about a new policy on the border - shoot to kill. Then kill some off and the rest will run off. That is the only way to deal with it.

Kania I think stone to your face would cure you from your funny notion about border guards being too harsh on them criminals!
that something a bleeding pen pusher would say..


... doesn't solve problems but create more suffering ...


He isn't. It is up to people who are alive to sort out their own mess.

I cannot be bothered to read some nonsense written by bleeding heart liberal.
Right now I ma reading Pomnik Cesarzowej Achai series, witch is much more fun.

Generally, suffering is created by lack of compassion.

A good rule in life is to treat people decently and public opinion here in Poland tends to confirm that.

I mean acting only on compassion doesn't solve underlying problems that created suffering in the first place, so the main focus should be aimed to solve the problem causing suffering if possible.

If you want to solve it beacuse of compassion, or self-interest or for any other reason makes no diffrence to the end result.
It just a fine point of your worldview or morality.
i.e. compassion do not solve anything.


Sure, yet criminals who break in without invitation are not decent people and do not deserve to be treated good. You shouldn't reward bad behaviour it caues suffering to spread.

8s it a follow up from the original Achaja trilogy? Is it any good? Especially compared to the original books?

I don`t blame them, and feel immense pity for them. But I refuse to yield to Bel-Rus regimes` machinations, thanks to which both regimes earn dirty money coz migrants pay for visas and transport to the border. From 5000 to 15000 euros. Bel regime rates are cheaper than Russian one. .

Sorry, but those migrants have to be pushed back. We have no choice. If we let in 10.000, next year the regimes will bring 100.000. This is so simple that I am amazed you sell us this crap about barbarity etc.


No, we are not. Protecting the country against Putin and Lukashenka` s guests isn`t barbarity, it is defence. Simple.

"These procedures do not include pushing people back across the border, breaking their cell phones, taking away their shoes in -10 degrees celsius temperatures, beating them up, separating caught families and pushing them back over the fence separately, every person in a different place."

No comment on the above? What's wrong with you, people?


Jaysus weeping Christ... there are families with children as young as 4 years old. WTF Iron??? :-/

@pawian

"Those migrants have to be pushed back."

So you support breaking both European and Polish migration/asylum laws? Wtf?

Glad you agree that capitalism should be eliminated.


Lukaszenko 'invited' them and they have zero interest in staying in PL.


Where that can happen, by a secure border fence, good. Where it isn't happening, give them decent food, warm clothes, a medical check, a toy for the kids and a ticket to Berlin.

Berlin is full already! We have no longer the necessary accomodations...

In case of Bel-Rus regimes` guests, I do.

Then you shouldn't be outraged when PiS breaks the law when they see fit. You're the same.

He has nothing to do with Poland. I don't care if they stay in Belarus.
They shouldn't try to break into Poland and cross the border criminal style.


are you sure? that they are familes not hostaged taken to make it help cross over as they heard that Europeans are dunces that belive that women and children are something important.

Then women go into prostitusion once in Germany and childern sold for bodyparts. That possible....

hahahaha

If it was so easy. Germans have already started sending them back to Poland. A few thousand this year. Next year 10.000. In two years` time it will be 100.000.

I informed Kania about it a few months ago but he is still repeating his bs about barbarity.


Nothing. We could ask the same question to you. Are you crazy? You want to welcome 100.000 non-European migrants every year starting from 2025??

@pawian

Good that we established that you are exactly the same as PiS members. You support breaking the law, when you see fit. Next time you want to write "fekk them!!!", think twice, because you are the same.


Let me think - 100.000 a year... that's 1 million in 10 years and 10 million in a 100 years. Into a union of 450 million people.

Yes, Pawian, I think Europe would survive absorbing 10 million people in a f*cking century. *rolls eyes* I would much rather do that than watch them freeze to death in a Belarussian forest or drown in the Mediterranean Sea.

I'd guess that the numbers will be higher than that.

Don`t be stupid. PIS breaks the law to suppress the oppisition to their dictatorship so that they can rule for 1000 years like Hitler once desired for himself.

While breaking migration rules is out of pure patriotism to protect Poland.


Stop playing so righteous, we can see through it. Many times in the forum you played silly games of presenting one argument and then withdrawing from it the next day. You know I am right but you will never admit it coz it is below your dignity. hahahaha


You drank too much on Saturday night coz today your logic is like in a 5 yo child. 10 mil from Poland alone. What about migrants to other countries?

Just keeping you on your toes, Pawianos. Just keepin' ya on yer toes. :)))

Remember who's the ultimate Alpha Chad Male on this forum, and we'll be alright.

Now, f*ck off, I have another book to read.

I think it is better. Language is not so colorful, and while I don't mind swearing, I think it is a good thing Ziemański toned it down a bit in a sequel.

It happens one thousand years after the original trilogy, and... not to put too much spoilers, I just say that there are Poles who come to the Achaiaworld.

Poles from about 1930s, from some alternative Earth, where Partitions have never happened. If you have read Ziemniański's Bomba Heisenberga shorts story, you'll know what kind of Poland it is. It is hilarious.

After 5 books of Pomnik.... series Ziemiański started prequel series called "Virion", taking place before Achaia was born. About the youth of legendary swordsman Virion, once met by Achaia.

Games, games, games. Like a child. :):):)


Exactly. :):):) I always know when you do it and I always comply.

That is why, I am sure you won`t mind if I say: fekk your fake disgust and appallment. ):):) You are looking for clues for life coz you are lost after reading a book?? Go to the chuch, instead of seeking them in the forum. hahahaha

Not if you want to do that by a way of spreading suffering first and being companssionate later.

Capitalism was already eliminated in 2008, when the invisible hand was stayed before it could wipe out the banks.