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Poland's presidential system?


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
19 May 2015 #1
What is to be said for maintaining the current weak presidential system in Poland? Why does the president have the right of legislative initiaitive but rarely uses it? Wouldn't a presidential-parliamentary system be more effective? In other words slightly more prerogatvies for the head of state and slightly fewer for the Sejm? Sejmokracja was Poland's downfall after the Great War until PiƂsuduski effected his coup to strengthen the executive power. Also ater 1989 there were 29 parties in parliament turning the assembly into a mud-slinging marathon. That is still largely the case today although the number of parties has greatly decreased-.

If it wasn't for parties wanting to pay off their backers with cushy parlaimentary seats, wouldn't it be more advisable to cut back the size of the Sejm to, let's say, 200-250 members? The extra taxpayer revenues could go to bankroll the ailing health service.

How about each of the 16 voivosdhisp having 3 senators?. That would be 48 senators instead of the current 100. (In the USA each state has 2 senators.)
smurf 39 | 1,981
19 May 2015 #2
Wouldn't a presidential-parliamentary system be more effective?

No, the rule of the President is to sign bills into law. He/She must be objective at all time.
If it was a presidential-parliamentary system like America/France it would become a mess.

How about each of the 16 voivosdhisp having 3 senators

No, why should sh!teholes infested with rednecks like Podkarpackie have the same say in Parliament as better, more forward thinking provinces?
No way. Representation should be done per population.

The problem with Polish politics isn't the structure on which it operates, it's the idiots operating it.
Would you blame they JCB that dug the foundation of your house?
No, you'd, rightfully, blame the clown who was behind the wheel.
Harry
19 May 2015 #3
He/She must be objective at all time.

Exactly. The president needs to be above politics, to be outside of politics, to not make decisions based on political beliefs but based on what is best for Poland.

Representation should be done per population.

Better yet on contribution to the state treasury. And at the very least on actual population not on official population.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
19 May 2015 #4
Nobody has commented on saving taxpayer money by reducing the number of pricey parliamentary bureaucrats. Is 460 some magic number?
smurf 39 | 1,981
20 May 2015 #5
by reducing the number of pricey parliamentary bureaucrats

You don't need to reduce the number to do that, just reduce the pay.

Poland wants to save money?
Stop buying French helicopters and American arms.
If Poland wants military equipment there's zero reason they cannot be manufactured here.

Other than the reason being that fat contracts given to overseas manufacturers giving a kickback to whom the contracts are signed with.
jon357 63 | 15,615
20 May 2015 #6
Exactly. The president needs to be above politics, to be outside of politics, to not make decisions based on political beliefs but based on what is best for Poland

That was abused once, by the previous incumbent and his unpopular 'Fourth Republic' project. Hopefully that is dead and buried now, however we should remember the other way in which he and his supporters were able to exert malign influence. One role of the president is to sign off certain appointments - many of them professorships, but not only. LK was (during his big sulk when his twin brother was booted out of office by the voters) able to throw a spanner in the works by not approving appointments. Posts were left unfilled and certain state institutions were effectively stymied. When things got back to normal after President Komorowski took office this was finally sorted.

We have to make sure that Duda doesn't get the chance to be equally as negative.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
20 May 2015 #7
I reckon in your view blindly rubber-stamping evetrything the Flatfeet regurgitate is a sign of being above politics. His PR people occasionally told Komorowski to send someting to the constituional court for verificaiton so as not to appear like a PO-ruled flunky.

Duda will have to put up with a PO-monopolised Sejm for a few months, but that will give the Platfusy time to back their bags ahead of their psot-election trip home. A new Sejm dominated by true Polish patriots not in the employ of scam artists and foreign lobbyists will get Poland moving again.
Harry
20 May 2015 #8
When things got back to normal after President Komorowski took office this was finally sorted.

We have to make sure that Duda doesn't get the chance to be equally as negative.

I think more than enough people noticed the farce that resulted from a man who clearly didn't understand his role in government meddling where he shouldn't be involved and the shame Poland suffered as a result of him turning up at meetings he wasn't invited to or wanted at. The trick now is going to be getting the anti-PiS vote out on Sunday.

A new Sejm dominated by true Polish patriots not in the employ of scam artists and foreign lobbyists

Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel; although I'm surprised to see you objecting to foreigners working in Poland.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
20 May 2015 #9
Yes, but are they working for Poland?


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