The Iran war and Poland

The Egyptians should shoot that white azzhole to shut him up...


We also need a separate thread for Western bootlickers.

It is t. There's thousands of words on the conflict generated daily and you never hear this mentioned.

Nevertheless, they are Egyptians. The Gaza Strip is contiguous to the northern Egyptian conurbation, the largest in Africa. Most are Egyptians, some of them Zott.


Another common myth.


Since 1967.

As mentioned (and the useful idiots put their hands over their ears about this), most Israelis' roots are in the MENA region. After centuries of pogroms, they fled there for their lives.

Will the USA get involved in this war now?

A very broad acronym that is meaningless, Most Poles are from the European region but that don't give them a claim to Portugal.

Did they flee Portugal to save their lives then?

If the term MENA region is too vague we'll ignore the 1940s pogroms in Iraq, Yemen, and Morocco and just concentrate on the majority, people who fled there from within driving distance of Jerusalem.

what is this giberish?

In a 2019 study, in a sample meant to be representative of the Israeli Jewish population, about 44.9% percent of Israel's Jewish population were categorized as Mizrahi (defined as having grandparents born in North Africa or Asia),

Not all Israelis from the MENA region are Mizrahi though, are they.

Google is not always your friend.

Next you'll be claiming you were Edward Heath's special boy.

Everyone's from MENA and Sub Saharan Africa in the end.

Surely you don't believe that crap?


Except racists. They emerged fully formed from Stonehenge.

In this case yes because the study defined everything else.

31.8% were categorized as Ashkenazi (defined as having grandparents born in Europe, the Americas, Oceania and South Africa), 12.4% as "Soviet" (defined as having progenitors who came from the ex-USSR in 1989 or later), about 3% as Beta Israel (Ethiopia) and 7.9% as a mix of these, or other Jewish groups.

So where does your claim that most of Israelis are from MENA come from?

So a minority.


Recent. Almost as recent as the Egyptian inhabitants of the Gaza Strip.

The majority of people who came to the land of Israel are from the MENA region, despite your frantic googling.

Do you deny them the right to their own country?

Anyway, this is about Iran; not the usual antisemitism.

why don't you use chatgpt and prove your outlandish claim that the majority of Israelis are from 'within driving distance of Jerusalem' or even MENA?


If they don't stop acting like autistic savages it will be taken away from them eventually.

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Does he know something?


You and what army???

No thanks.


If they were a bit more autistic, they'd rule the world.

Don't confuse a country's ruling coalition with its actual people.

None of us in any country like rightwingers, none of us like nationalists, however sometimes we have to live with them until we can make them somewhat more horizontal and motionless.


I'd say yes, however he knows little having a very low IQ and cognitive decline.

What he does know is that he's been played like a fiddle. He (or his strategists) tried to play hardball with their betters and it didn't work. America is our wayward daughter, blowsy, peroxide blonde, boomerish, called Karen and with a pistol in her purse. Unfortunately her elderly mother Sophia has been doing this sort of stuff for far longer than she's been alive and is better at it. And cleverer. And takes statins, goes to the gym and hasn't quite got Alzheimers yet. And holds quite a few cards that the public don't generally think about.

Now back to Iran...

Indeed it is as anyone with even a passing knowledge of the area knows. The only comparable situation where a ruling regime consistently tried to make water flow uphill was the rules based order's favourite, apartheid South Africa. The Afrikaners claimed they were there first and all the Black people arrived later. They pumped huge resources into "proving" this nonsense. Of course the usual suspects backed them to the hilt then their army was destroyed by the Cubans. In my country you often hear the same nonsense. The irony of people with Irish names living in Irish named areas on the Island of Ireland claiming to be democrats and discriminating against Irish people with a foreign NATO army enforcing this bigotry.

No. Thatcher's, the Yanks' and the nasty bastards' favourite.

The good politicians and other good people did their best. And won in the end. Through 'rules-based' structures and methods.

Golden Cow now off to work his magic at the negotiating table

It worked so well in Ukraine and Gaza that it's no wonder he should have this problem all sorted by Friday

'I don't understand' why Iran has a bad reputation while the real hard-core Islamists and extremists seem to reside in the UAE, a close ally of the US.
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Who are you referring to? You seem to be part of some unusual circles or cult-like groups. In general, people in Poland seem indifferent to the war; their main dilemma is whether to go on holiday to Egypt or not.

A very constrained democracy since the theocrats in charge severely limit the range of candidates

Talking to Iranians and reading dissenters online there seem to be lots of parallels with Poland in the 1970-80s the system is broken, everybody realizes it can't work but no one can see a way out (not least because there's no faction in the government that is willing to throw in their lot with the people and/or publicly recognize that it's a broken system.

In terms of theocracy there are more parallels with Poland (or later cccp) in that a large chunk (probably a majority) of the population does not believe in the official dogma - mosque attendance has plummeted and lot s of unofficial reports of people no longer self-identifying as muslim.

So very interesting and complicated society and russian involvement in the country, as often happens, is about shoring up minority rule against majority sentitment.

Oh, I'm shocked! You actually support populists!

And if their prefered candidate doesn't win, they'll just falsify the elections like they did in 2009.

And that is for the presidential office, which has very little actual power.

I don't know of any populist politicians in Iran. for the record, regime change imposed form outside will pretty much always be a disaster.... so this Israeli-US jihad is... not a good idea.
I'd love to see the current Iranian regime fall if that's what most Iranians want but they need to do that themselves...


From what I've read/heard the lower the level the more democracy so at the top it narrows down to a couple of regime approved candidates while in local terms there's more choice.

The same tactic that your dog, Ginger F, is using in Poland.

It sounds hauntingly familiar-an attempt to delegitimize the AfD in Germany.
Well, after all, Iranians as a lower race can't have the same rights as Germans, right?

You need help.

Can't you help me? Show me the errors of my way.

It seems my sarcasm is lost on you. Let me clarify:
It seems excessive for external parties to interfere in another country's internal affairs and impose their standards on it.

I would like to think thats what most people want but plenty love hollwood movies.

The 1950's coup was a disaster for Iran with a torturing, murdering dictator installed the people did rise up and remove him and his goons. The west have never forgiven Iranians for choosing their own leaders. A common problem in much of the muslim world is that the only place dissent can be voiced is in the mosques hence the proliferation of bastardised versions of islam. Immans led the cries for freedom the middle classes funded them and the left were outmanoeuvred and the rest is history.

I dunno.....I remember the time before 1989 and how very much many of us back then at the wrong side of the wall wished for some more foreign influence to get rid of the party baggage in East-Berlin!

And how would you call "West-Radio" or "West-TV", free information, uncontrollable by the leaders, which played a huge role anyhow....

I'm fairly sure that many, many Iranians also hope right now for some more foreign interfering, but yeah...in the end they must do their part too!

PS: Just some thoughts....

I wouldn't believe the official propagated pictures by Teheran so much, the ones with burning US-flags and "death to Israel" posters!
Because I also remember the huge parade for the 40th anniversary of the founding of the GDR....if you knew nothing of the reality in this country you would see only a strong marching military, cheering crowds waving GDR-Flags etc.....you could think they all truly loved their leaders and that oppressive system and stood fully behind all this....well....that parade was at 7th October 1989....only a few weeks later the people danced on the teared down Berlin Wall...free of the SED system at last...making their real, true opinions seen for everybody.

I can't help compare that situation to the Iran of today...I don't believe these official anti-West demonstrations in Teheran either!

There is a significant difference between the circumstances in 1989 and those in Iran. The countries involved were under Moscow's rule, and their regimes were installed by a foreign power, while Iran's current regime was established by internal forces and popular support.