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The Iran war and Poland


Paulina  19 | 4675
23 Jun 2025   #571
The clothing is just something outsiders see.

And it became a visual symbol of Islam's attitude towards women.

It's generally self enforced among women.

You would be "self enforcing" it too, if not wearing it would mean getting harassed or raped.

Also, in many cultures misogynistic traditions are passed down to young generations also by women. I think you're intelligent enough to know that this is how those women were raised and that's all they know and understand.

I myself and my brother were dragged to church every Sunday by our mother when we were kids. My brother was first to rebel. Then I followed. We could do that though because Poland is still a pretty secular country, unlike some other countries outside of Europe (not only Muslim ones).

That happens anyway.

And more would happen then.

Generally when the novelty wears off, nobody notice

Maybe that would happen in case of many people, but there always would be some perverts that would get aroused nonetheless. I don't like the idea of witnessing a paedophile getting aroused by my naked little daughter. The thought alone makes me feel sick. No, thank you.
OP jon357  73 | 24520
23 Jun 2025   #572
And more would happen then.

Why would it?

there always would be some perverts that would get aroused

There are anyway.
Paulina  19 | 4675
23 Jun 2025   #573
Why would it?

Ask men.

There's plenty of beaches in Poland where people go without clothes. It's no big deal.

Those beaches are for the willing though. I'm unwilling and I don't want to be forced to see some stranger's junk and witness some stranger getting aroused by my body.

There are anyway.

But at least I'm not forced to witness their arousal in full display in public. For me as a woman - this fact makes me feel better, safer, more comfortable and less disgusted. It's the same for young girls - trust me, I was one.
OP jon357  73 | 24520
23 Jun 2025   #574
Those beaches are for the willing though. I'm unwilling and I don't want to be forced to see some stranger's junk

Nobody would force you, and you really don't notice after a while.

I'd not use the word junk. Junk is negative. Genitalia are positive.

less disgusted

Would you be disgusted though?

Anyway, you can see more on displaying its covered by fabric sometimes. Clothes designers and their customers often like to flaunt what they've got.

This is a long way from America's illegal attack on Iran though.
Paulina  19 | 4675
23 Jun 2025   #575
@jon357, "junk" is a slang expression. I've seen men using it, so what's "negative" about it?

Nobody would force you

I would be forced to see it, even if just accidentally walking down the street.

Would you be disgusted though?

Yes. Or disturbed or scared - depending on the situation. Either way - it would make me feel uncomfortable.

Anyway, you can see more on displaying its covered by fabric sometimes.

What?

Also, another thing - the smell. Quite a few people don't wash themselves often enough and I wouldn't want to be forced to feel the odour of someone's unwashed private parts when I'm entering a bus or a shop during summer.

And women and girls would have to wear panties during periods anyway.

This is a long way from America's illegal attack on Iran though.

Well, you took it in this direction in your #566 post.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12212
23 Jun 2025   #576
It's generally self enforced among women.

What about the women who get hanged, murdered because they don't want to wear the cloth?

What was the last ones name? Amini something....

Iranian woman dies 'after being beaten by morality police' over hijab law
This article is more than 2 years old

Mahsa Amini, a 22-year-old Kurd, dies after 'violent arrest' for infringing hijab rules amid Iranian crackdown on women's dress

theguardian.com/global-development/2022/sep/16/iranian-woman-dies-after-being-beaten-by-morality-police-over-hijab-law

Independent UN Human Rights Council-appointed experts said in a statement that it represents a fundamental attack on women's rights.

The legislation, which applies to children as young as 12, combines severe criminal penalties with mandatory citizen surveillance and systematic enforcement across all sectors of society, the experts added.

The Law on Protecting the Family through the Promotion of the Culture of Chasity and Hijab, represents what experts describe as "an intensification of State control over women's bodies in Iran and a further assault on women's rights and freedoms".

news.un.org/en/story/2024/12/1158171

The new legislation expands existing restrictions, targeting women and girls who fail to wear a hijab in both physical and online spaces. While the hijab requirements were already mandatory under Iran's Islamic Penal Code, this new law introduces dramatically harsher consequences.

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"The law constitutes clear violation of fundamental human rights, legal norms and principles, including women's rights to equality, freedom of expression, religion and belief, bodily autonomy, liberty, security and privacy, "the experts emphasised....

That is from December 2024.....

Nothing "self enforced" needs a morality police!
OP jon357  73 | 24520
23 Jun 2025   #577
Nothing "self enforced" needs a morality police

The Middle East is not a 'one size fits all' place.

Quite a few people don't wash themselves often enough and I wouldn't want to be forced to feel the odour of someone's

That's pretty well any tram in Warsaw.

And women and girls would have to wear panties during periods anyway.

There's always Free Bleeding
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12212
23 Jun 2025   #578
The Middle East is not a 'one size fits all' place.

Agreed!

I heard lotsa nice things from Lebanon (before the Palis took over and the Civil war destroyed everything).

But Iran takes the cake....worse is maybe only Afghanistan right now....a kind of North Korea with Koran!
OP jon357  73 | 24520
23 Jun 2025   #579
Even Saudi can be very chilled.

Iran? A big population and what you get in one place isn't what you get in another.
Paulina  19 | 4675
23 Jun 2025   #580
That's pretty well any tram in Warsaw.

There you go then.

There's always Free Bleeding

Or free peeing and free sh1tting lol Try it yourself and report back if you liked it ;D

Iran? A big population and what you get in one place isn't what you get in another.

The law is the same all over Iran.
Ironside  51 | 13436
23 Jun 2025   #581
Also, in many cultures, misogynistic traditions

Your opinion is ideologically biased and generally prejudiced. You think you know better than those societies and those women. What is it called - cultural imperialism?
OP jon357  73 | 24520
23 Jun 2025   #582
Or free peeing and free sh1tting lol

Why not? I see this in Poland sometimes.

The law is the same all over Iran.

Its application isn't..,

What is it called - cultural imperialism?

I wonder what some think would happen if clothing rules in traditional societies were relaxed.
Ironside  51 | 13436
23 Jun 2025   #583
not forced to wear it every day for the rest of your life.

At home, you don't need to wear anything; going out, you need to conform to the social norms anyway.
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Do most women hate men?

It is a very good question.
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that feminism makes women "hate men".

Make them feel like victims and point a finger at men as the culprits of women's misery. Those are nasty, sinister people - feminists.
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Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12212
23 Jun 2025   #584
Wow....look at that! :)

x.com/PracticalSpy/status/1936722371798237383
Paulina  19 | 4675
23 Jun 2025   #585
@Ironside, your opinion stems from your selfishness and lack of empathy towards women and girls. You like how things are in those cultures because men have it better than women in those cultures.

You think you know better than those societies and those women.

Honestly? Yes, I do. For example, in India women and girls are considered worth less than men and boys. This has detrimental effect to their lives. It may even result in them not being born at all - just because they're female. As a woman (and every normal human being really) I have the right to judge such culture for what it is if I feel like it.

And, anyway, which women? Many women rebel against their own cultures in those more conservative, patriarchal societies.

What is it called - cultural imperialism?

No, just being a decent, logical and empathic human being.

At home, you don't need to wear anything; going out, you need to conform to the social norms anyway.

The question is whether those social norms are reasonable and fair. But in Iran it's a law and not some universal "social norms".

Make them feel like victims and point a finger at men as the culprits of women's misery. Those are nasty, sinister people - feminists.

No, nasty and sinister people are misogynistic, selfish a$$holes like you. I hope the likes of you will die out one day like dinosaurs.
Paulina  19 | 4675
23 Jun 2025   #586
Why not? I see this in Poland sometimes.

Eh, as a man you probably don't get it...
Would you like your pee or excrements to be running down your legs for something like 4 to 7 days a month? Because that would be the equivalent of "free bleeding" for men. For those who don't know - menstrual blood is not just blood, btw:

"It's a combination of blood, uterine tissue, cervical mucus, and vaginal secretions."

And anyway - it would be completely impractical - women wouldn't be able to sit anywhere, because they would stain everything with menstrual blood. What a ridiculous idea lol

Its application isn't..,

And... that makes it so much better, according to you, or what?
OP jon357  73 | 24520
23 Jun 2025   #587
"free bleeding" for men. For those who don't know - menstrual blood is not just blood, btw:

Free Bleeding is a thing apparently. One of the newspapers I read had an article recently from a woman who said it changed her life. I did however know what flowersa showing consists of.

What a ridiculous idea lol

Not according to the women who nowadays advocate it

Enough, btw, of the lol.
Ironside  51 | 13436
23 Jun 2025   #588
o, just being a decent, logical, and empathic human being.

No, that is typical women's logic - you like to have it your way.
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You like how things are in those cultures because men have it better than women in those cultures.

lol!
Better, what is better, you are prejudiced like hell.
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But in Iran, it's a law and not some universal "social norms".

Iran norms are fairly relaxed, there are worse places when even I say that is too much.
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from your selfishness and lack of empathy towards women and girls

Elaborate, what do I gain if women wear head coverings in Iran? If nothing, why did you call me selfish?
Empathy? 90% of normal men (not under the influence of alcohol or drugs and not a teen) have a protective instinct towards women and girls. I guess you didn't know that.

You are so full of it, Paulina. You need to find somebody who will F that attitude out of you.
Ironside  51 | 13436
23 Jun 2025   #589
Wonder what some think would happen if clothing rules in traditional societies were relaxed.

Don't you think that all those differences make it more interesting? Sameness is good, but too much sameness is also boring.
Paulina  19 | 4675
23 Jun 2025   #590
No, that is typical women's logic - you like to have it your way.

Ah, so you prefer if women in those cultures don't have their way? But it's OK if men have their way? That's your "logic"?

Better, what is better, you are prejudiced like hell.

Tell that to this woman, a$$hole:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malala_Yousafzai

Iran norms are fairly relaxed, there are worse places when even I say that is too much.

Ah, yes, the famous joke about Stalin comes to mind: "A mógł zabić!" lol 🤦

Elaborate, what do I gain if women wear head coverings in Iran?

I don't know - maybe you're enjoying it when women suffer or when they're uncomfortable and hot? Or when they're forced to do what they don't want to do? I honestly don't know what's wrong with you and why you're defending that law in Iran.
Joker  2 | 2478
23 Jun 2025   #591
Men raping women and girls would be the main problem.

These religous zealots arent just misguided, theyre outright evil! They have spent decades suppressing, torturing, and brainwashing their own people under the guise of faith. Its not religon, its authoritarism in a robe.


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Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12212
23 Jun 2025   #592
@Iron,

when in Teheran US flags get burned, whom do you believe they mean? Do you really think they will make a difference for Poland? They KNOW about the differences?

Man, for them we ALL ARE THE WEST, they hate us all...WE ARE THE ENEMY and they would rather kill us today, if we let them. Israel is our best ally!

Is that so hard to understand?
Paulina  19 | 4675
23 Jun 2025   #593
Free Bleeding is a thing apparently.

Where?

One of the newspapers I read had an article recently from a woman who said it changed her life.

Good for her, but I have no idea how she went about with her everyday life then while doing all that "free bleeding".

Not according to the women who nowadays advocate it

As I wrote already - completely impractical.

Enough, btw, of the lol.

Nope.
OP jon357  73 | 24520
23 Jun 2025   #594
Don't you think that all those differences make it more interesting?

Iran are wrong to police clothing, however Euroepan countries do to a lesser extent (France is unpleasant about it) and clothing does tend to suit weather, etc. Some of the differences are good ones. Modern western clothing is based largely on English urban wear and local differences are nice.

evil

And now their sites are destroyed but (according to them) the enriched Uranium isn't. The tw ocountries that attacked them had better prepare for dirty bombs.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12212
23 Jun 2025   #595
Iran are wrong to police clothing,

Alone the fact that they do says it all....if it is all so cultural and natural nobody would need a morality police nor would girls punished if they wear what they want.

Even Bobko said that iranian women in New York go totally covered into the toilet and come out western style, including open hair and make up. Now looking how they really want not how they are FORCED TO!

I guess one can sweet-talk every horrible situation till it fits!
OP jon357  73 | 24520
23 Jun 2025   #596
Alone the fact that they do says it all.

France does...

iranian women

The vanishingly small few who a. can afford to travel, and b. he's seen.
Paulina  19 | 4675
23 Jun 2025   #597
The vanishingly small few who a. can afford to travel, and b. he's seen.

Some years ago I've seen a documentary in which some guy was travelling by trains in different parts of the world and talking to ordinary people. I remember that when he was on a train going from Iran to some other country most women who were on that train took off their hijabs and headscarves once the train left Iran.
So it looks like nothing changed in this respect.

This is a young Iranian guy who lives in Poland and he invited his mom to visit our country. She took off her hijab in public for the first time in her life. She also wore a summer dress in public (with no pants) for the first time too. It was the first time in her life she felt wind in her hair and between her legs. She said she's happy! They both look happy :):


OP jon357  73 | 24520
23 Jun 2025   #598
I'd be wary of YouTube stuff. And old documentaries.

The important issue right now is that Iran is angry, wounded and still has its uranium. They can't make a nuke however they can make a dirty bomb. Even many.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12212
23 Jun 2025   #599
Ohje....anybody here writing from Qatar?

Just in:

The U.S. Embassy in Qatar has instructed all Americans in the country to shelter-in-place until further notice, "out of an abundance of caution" with no further details so far from the State Department.

x.com/sentdefender/status/1937125486594863176
Paulina  19 | 4675
23 Jun 2025   #600
I'd be wary of YouTube stuff. And old documentaries.

You mean those documentaries and YouTube stuff that don't fit your agenda :)))

Jon357, really? Seriously? Is it really so hard for you to believe or comprehend that once women living in a fundamentalist religious authoritarian regime with laws that force them to wear certain type of clothing leave that country they choose to wear whatever they want? Unbelievable!!! Incomprehensible!!! :D Why would any woman want to do such a thing?? 🙄


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