Germany's Socio-Political Climate and Its Impact on Poland

You still fail to address the crux of the matter.
There was no issue with those illegals who tried to cross the Polish-German border and were caught and sent back. That was never the issue. It is simply brought up to muddy the issue for propaganda value.
Anyway, that method would never work because it was a half-hearted stopgap measure that wouldn't solve the issue of illegal immigration properly. If the German government spent less time peddling useless junk from its Siemens green technology and focused some of that time and energy on finding a complex solution in coordination with its neighbors, we could have potentially seen a miracle and the problem of illegal immigration resolved by now.
I think the problem lies in the fact that members of the German government are all die-hard ideological liberals who believe that sending illegal immigrants packing is fascism.
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I am always ready to help...pro bono...with a smile...

I want an honorary German citizenship and AfD membership.

Tacitus...Would you be my sponsor?

Always pushing the envelope, aren't you Rich.
We can all see you're playing the eternal Devil's Advocate.
Who but a misguided moron would vote AfD?

And even that was unacceptable to Poland. They made a fuzz about a few returned refugees, what would their reaction be if they were stuck with every single migrant who makes it across the Polish-Belarus border?


Finding a European solution for the refugee crisis. Now where have I heard that before?

German chancellor calls for 'European solution' on migration

politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-calls-for-european-solution-on-migration/

Just a reminder that Poland spent years sabotaging any attempts at finding such a solution because they thought it wasn't their problem since those refugees arrived via Southern Europe.

They should beat the daylights out of the SOB, throw him back over the fence, and release a dozen very hungry dogs.

Obviously, no one EU-country can "solve" the migration issue.
EU-Commission head Ursula von der Leyen has stressed on more than
one occasion that it is NOT up to The Federal Republic alone to determine
migrant policy in Europe; every member nation must bear equal burden!

Trite as all this sounds, Macron and Starmer keep pointing fingers at Merz
who keeps trying to deflect blame and so it all seems like just another never-
ending blame game.

Bullshlt! I read the article. She offered nothing.

This bit*ch is the best definition of chutzpah...She fvcks up and now "calls for a solution"...That's a good one...

This POS should be serving life no parole for her subversive anti-German crimes...

Conclusion: Poland is under no obligation to pay for the stupidity of others. Keep the hordes out and away. Need help? Call me...

It's as I just posted in #36; there's got to be a pan-European solution or none at all.
Trump couldn't care less about Europe's problems anyway.
A typical "Don't do, delegate!" executive type.

We did not make a fuss about the few returned illegal migrants; that is a lie. We made a fuss about Germany taking us for a ride by attempting to send as many as they could of Germany unwanted illegals under the guise of returning them to Poland. Without any procedure or evidence that they had ever set foot on Polish soil.
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Her solution to the problem was for other countries to take the immigrants she invited to Germany out of the country, to make more space for newcomers. What kind of solution is that? It's a joke at best and shows a lack of seriousness if anything. Her call was the highest degree of double standards, hypocrisy, insolence, and disrespect. She was a masterclass in that.
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What solution? The only solution is to make every illegal immigrant a criminal because they are, and send them back where they came from, and not take them in anymore. It only required a change in the law. Nah, Germans are the wisest here, trying to shift the problem they created onto others. Sabotage? No, Poland defends their national interest; we are not getting the benefits you get, and we are not obliged to pay your bills. If you use such military language, it suggests Germany waged a political war on other EU countries.

Easy. Spread the manure and let the cow shlt...

Nonsense. German police only attempted to return a fraction of the arrivals from Poland and only those who were caught near the border. And even those few cases, who undeniably came from Poland were not acceptable for Poland.


It is one of the two possible solution. Either we leave the border countries to process all asylum claims, which we used to do until they could no longer handle the strain, or the EU decides to relocate the refugees and each country takes in their share based on its' wealth and population size. Which is where we are now heading towards, but we could have reached that point years ago, if not for Poland's short-sighted obstruction.


You want to make every Ukrainian fleeing from Putin's war a criminal?

You know as well as I as that this is against the populations wishes, in every country!

With such "solutions" from far away Brussels the EU will destroy itself, even without any extremist party....no national gov can sustain its plausability with their electorate in the long run with following such far-reaching decisions against their will....that is no rocket science...for gods sake Tacitus!!!!

If they spotted a foreigner within a 30-kilometer radius from the border, it was enough for the German police to conclude they came from Poland. Sorry, sunshine, it is not good enough.
Really sloppy police work, it is as if they would catch the closest person standing next to the body and lock him up as a murderer. Really? What are you peddling, Mister? Or rather, what are you smoking?---
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If Poland takes its share, how are we supposed to keep them? Most of them do not want to stay in Poland. There is another great progressive idea - we are supposed to pay them as much as Germany does. Really? That would mean that hard-working people paying taxes in Poland would earn less money than those who don't contribute. That is not a solution; it is a liberal progressive fantasy, impractical and completely absurd.


It is only right to obstruct the crazy ideas of a madman. You should try it sometimes, maybe if you do, you wouldn't have Hitler in your history.
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All illegal immigrants are criminals and should be deported. Refugees are not illegal, and that does not concern them.

I guess put them in camps with armed guards?

Put tracking chips in them?

I've never gotten a good answer to this question....

And thats the issue isnt it? Every nation does not have to bear any illegal immigration. Its not an EU problem to solve. It is an African and middle eastern problem to solve. Maybe the muslim countries should take muslims? Crazy idea, I know. Or maybe every one caught illegally, should just be put on a boat going back to their home country?

Proponents of endless mass immigration tend to think that those places cannot possibly solve their own problems.... for them immigration is a new version of the white man's burden....

.....or a punishment....for the old sins.....

They can if they stop peddling the illusion to their populations that they can keep offloading the burden to other countries. The reason why there is no European solution yet is because some governments - most prominently Poland - pretended that wasn't their problem, since the refugees were coming via Southern Europe. Which wasn't very far-thinking in the light of the current Ukrainian refugee crisis.]

We are currently observing how the mood is turning against Ukrainian refugees in countries who have taken in a disprortionate number of them. Not only is it likely that the war will continue for several more years, it is entirely possible that significantly more Ukrainians will be forced to flee down the line. The only vianle solution to this is relocating them to countries that haven't yet taken in many Ukrainians.

And that doesn't even include the possibility of further hostilities on the European continent. Russia may start a conflict against other European countries, or encourage its' allies in e.g. Serbia to start trouble in the Balkans. We need a European solution before this can happen.


Of course that is enough. If that was the standard the police applied, then this was rather accomodating towards Poland. Any refugee caught within a radius of 100 km around the border should be considered as coming from there. Refugees entering from Austria into Bavaria aren't going to travel to Görlitz im order to apply for asylum. That concerned only a couple of hundred refugees, and yet that was intolerable to Poland. If you are of the opinion that Poland shouldn't take any refugee back, fine. But then be honest about it and don't pretend you would be fine with Germany introducing far-reaching border controles that would prevent any refugee from leaving Poland.


Simple. Process their claims, share their identity in a European databank system, and if they turn up in a different country, take them back. They'll try to leave once or twice, and then they'll stay since they can not apply for social benefits before being identified.


Pretty much all refugees have entered their host country illegally so that is a non-answer.

We keep on mixing thigs together which need to be seen and handled differently! (Don't you see that yourself?)

The frustration of the people in all western countries are not with the war-refugees from Ukraine, its about the masses of illegals from far away regions like north Afrika or Arabia!

Real refugees through the times have fled into neighbouring countries, waiting there in relatively safety till a return would be possible...never were the hosts forced to house them, to feed them, to PAY them! All was about generosity and humanity towards culturally, religiously, traditionally close people in need, neighbours!

What happens now is anything but!!! I wish you would argument like it....not talking about this global mass movement with the same breath as Ukraine!

I bet you, if there weren't already so many unwanted, not-integratable, often illegal not-refugees, the will to take in more real ukrainian refugees would be much bigger!

This may come as a surprise to you, but they do. Turkey and Lebanon have taken in (several times) more Syrian refugees than all of Europe.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_civil_war

90% of all Afghan refugees are living in Iran and Pakistan.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_refugees

North Africa is more a destination for refugees and other migrants than it is a source.


It rarely is.


Will only increase.


Why not?

...ask them?

They want their women hidden under scarfs, want to keep adhering to their stone age religion which so totally doesn't fit a western civilization, whose whole culture and tradition is based on a much different religion which has gone through an extremely long and painfull processes like the reformation.

Now the most anti-semitism, the most women-hostile, the most anti-queer behaviour doesn't come from the conservative Germans or the AfD, it comes from these muslims, who never will give up all their cultural traditions and surely not their stoneage religion to immigrate into a western, european civilization with their totally different views and laws!

Its even understandable....if I would go to live in a muslim country I still would never stop being a German, would never become a muslim etc.

Now the main problem is these muslim just sought to immigrate into an incompatible society, and they were even invited...this error had been made, this error needs to be corrected. Islam will never be a part of the West. Or the West stops being the West...its that easy!

And I don't see a western majority giving up so easily....that's why the right-extremists are gaining everywhere!

There are two flaws in your premise here.

1. Ukrainians are by no means universally welcomed by their host countries and there is a growing backlash against them.

2. The two largest groups of non-European refugees are from Syria and Afghanistan. Two groups of whom it can hardly be said that they don't have legitimate reasons to leave their countries.

Yes, refugees have in the past fled to neighbouring countries (though many fled further still) and stayed there until it was safe or they assimilated. Problem is, if those countries do not afford them the opportunity to assimilate, do not allow their children to go to school, and their home countries remain unsafe for many years, then you can't expect them to stay put. Which is what happened with e.g. many Syrians leaving Libanon and Turkey for Europe.

So saying that the Arab and African countries (which mind you are significantly poorer and unstable) should take care of the refugees is not only ignorant of how they are already doing this to a large degree, it also ignores the limit of what they can do.

No....I dunno about Poles, but when Germans get frustrated its rarely about the Ukrainians....they ARE actually real refugees. Not like Ali or Mohammed from far away countries which made it through several safe-third-countries to open their hands for Bürgergeld once they reach our border, at the same time texting their folks at home to pack their bags and get ready, as they will soon be able to come too thanks to the "Familiennachzug"!


Why the heck is Germany on duty to take these people in in the first place??? You've got to be **** kidding me!!!!

We are not on duty to save the world...and the world doesn't work like that, humans don't work like that! These people making it from these far places are often the young, healthy males, not the most vulnerable....they should better stay at home and fight there for their own betterment and the betterment of their country!

Everything is so wrong with that, can't you see that!!!


The West might have reached its limit too, Tacitus....

So what? Does women's clothing trigger you?


Late Iron Age, like Christianity, also a Middle Eastern faith.


So people being socially conservative is a problem for you? Avoid parts of Bavarian, Austria and the Netherlands.


People create new ones, and the Germans of Turkish descent that I see in your city seem very nicely settled.


It's very true. The west was keen enough to share the medicine that led to a longer life and a reduction in infant mortality, but rather less interested in sharing the industry and jobs. If an impossible task is dumped on a poor country that can barely manage anyway, the problems will always increase.

I disagree. If that is all they have, it is not good enough to be returned to Poland. Perhaps procedures and what constitutes proper evidence of them coming from Poland should be negotiated with the Polish side beforehand.
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I think that Poland could take those refugees if you can present proof that they crossed over from Poland. If there is doubt, we should not take them.

Then, they can come from Chechia and travel northward - it is possible.
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Well, if you can prevent illegal immigrants from crossing over to Germany, you should do so. So far, you are full of lame excuses. Is that how incompetent government propaganda works, trying to shift the blame? The majority of your darkies, illegal immigrants, do not come from Poland; that's just a trickle. If one would listen to the German side, one would think that the bulk of illegal immigrants comes from Poland. Stop shifting the blame.
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If such a procedure were implemented with fairness and accuracy, do you think it would change much in your situation? The majority of illegal immigrants come from Italy, Greece, and Spain. Then come from Croatia, Slovenia, and Austria. Next, they come from other neighboring EU countries, including Poland. Do you think Greece or Italy could handle millions upon millions of illegals being dumped on them? That would mean the collapse of the EU. Be honest, is that what you want? I have never encountered such an illogical, selfish, and short-sighted way of thinking.
I mean, except for Polish pseudo-politicians, but they are utterly trash.
So basically you plan to spread all the illegal among the EU countries to lessen the burden for Germany. Do you dare to claim it is some kind of EU, not the German Union of Europe?
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Nope, when it comes to Ukrainians, we let them in. That is the main difference. The other difference is they are from our continent, not from Africa or Asia. Asian and African refugees should go back to where they come from.

They shouldn't dress according to the cultural norms of some sand *******. If they wear a burka or a full face covering or some other stupid **** like that, that is big no. Anyway, Islam shouldn't settle in Europe.
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I think you lost your head when you rolled with some muslim boys on the sand. They don't need to behead you.
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Yes, it does....I don't want to see them on my streets...they are a nightmare from far away places, seen formerly only on TV. That now children in german schools have to/ are allowed to show that most clear sign of this backwards religion is disturbing, to say at least.

No woman should have to wear it, but okay...in their own countries, they can govern how they want. But not here...not in the West!


Yes....Islam needs its Reformation too....maybe in 500 years, it will have changed so far to have become acceptable, but surely not now!


Coming from a Leftie, thats funny! 😎


I will give you one more...lotsa former guest-worker vote AfD nowadays. They also seem to find it highly unfair how easy it is for these newcomers to get everything they had to work hard for many years!


focus.de/politik/deutschland/afd-siegt-bei-integrationsraeten-migration-waehler-und-konsequenzen_e6482b5a-135a-4993-ac5a-2c679686a54c.html

Why not?


It's not all the same you know. Your German neighbour of Turkish heritage is t the same as some hothead convert.


Why funny? Most human beings accept that there is a diversity of outlooks, opinions and backgrounds. Do you expect everyone to have the same way of thinking as you and get stressed if they don't?


So there you go, diversity of outlooks and political opinion.

Why do I need to repeat myself?

Scarf/Hijab/Burka, what ever you call it = stoneage backwards Islam

And under it a girl/woman who probably doesn't want to wear it, but is forced to by its family which would even go so far as kill the girl if she dares to object.

To do nothing to help that girl is "failure to assist a person in danger" and usually punishable!

Of course you will say now that nobody can know for sure if that girl under it is not really wanting to wear that, she may even love islam...but hey, for that there is an easy solution:

Ask these muslims at the begin: Will you give up these incompatible traditions and welcome the western way of living? Yes or No

With "yes" they are in...but with "no" they are out!

An easy weeding out before it gets bad...most muslims will surely want to keep their stoneage traditions and look further for a more fitting country to try next.
But of course...people know the prize and many will try to lie about it....but that can be easily handled....once being caught lying, for example wearing that headscarf, its up for the whole clan back to the nearest airport and good bye!

Could be really easy if a gov truly want to!