EU, Germany, Euros and Poland.

...only when Poland starts paying Germany the billions it gets till now from the EU pockets.

Seriously, why do you forget all this always? Without the EU and mainly german money Poland would still look like Ukraine....that's not only not fair but can also lead to dangerously wrong conclusions!

Since 2004, Poland has received over 232 billion euros from the European Union budget. During this period, membership payments to the EU budget amounted to over 77 billion euros. The most significant net inflows were in 2020 and amounted to around 13.16 billion euros, including reimbursements to the EU budget of 958.3 thousand euros.

statista.com/statistics/1135294/poland-s-contributions-to-and-receipts-from-the-eu-budget/

Cause it's a little consolation prize that's all

I've got nothing against a strong and wealthy Poland....really not. Especially as things right now don't look so good in Germany, for Germany....it would be nice to have someone else shouldering more of the burden....

But I guess if it should come to that....a real change of the "pecking order"...some Poles might say they don't need the EU and would be better off alone, just to avoid to have now to pay more in the common bucket as they get out of it, totally ignoring the help they got over the decades....

Am I right?

@Bratwurst Boy
I thought you knew that for the last 300 years every time Poland got seriously closer to that happening, a crisis occurred and Poland more poor.

So I honestly don't know what you are on about, you smoking something? xD

Nah....I really believe Poland has a good future coming, alot better than the past....in big part also because of the changed global maps and players.

YES, YOU CAN!!! :)

That this article manages to bring up Germany's enviromental concerns regarding Polish projects along the Oder but fails to mention that huge enviromental disaster caused by Poland only a few months ago really is something else.

As for a leadership roles. Personally I am all for it if Poland can handle it. But as BB said, that means shouldering burdens. And I am not sure that the recent grain fiasco is supporting the idea that Poland is ready for this.

We have been paying all along, You missed some points from the article, that much more money goes back to the EU companies that were allowed into poland as part of the EU money and also the EU money was used for projects that benefited Western Europe. Also the dismantling of our manufacturing base to benefit EU.

"Between 2010 and 2016, Poland received 2.7% of GDP as EU transfers annually, and sent 4.7% as profits to western investors."

"The EU-funded highway system in Poland for example, primarily developed the west-east axis, promoting German trade and North Sea ports, rather than the north-south axis which would boost Poland as an eastern European trade hub along with its Baltic ports."

Anyway good to tacticus getting his skirt in a knot about the inevitable rise of Poland ;) I am sure we will be accepting german refugees during the next economic crash, escaping their islamist fellow citizens.

I don't know why people call Poland the Christ Among Nations. Really, it should be Germany. Russia punished Ukraine for much less, than the type of insults hurled at Germany by Poland on the regular.

Your ten million percent economic growth is a direct derivative of massive German and French infusions of capital, technical know-how, legal experience, and their opening up of their labor markets for your citizens.

How you can turn around and ask them for reparations, or call them Nazis is truly stupendous from my Russian point of view. On the other hand, so far your plan seems to work, and the pussified Germans just swallow everything. So maybe you Poles understand Germans better than we do.

@Bobko
It's also a sign of trust from a Pole to say or utter such things to a German, which they surely appreciate reluctantly.

I think it's very obviously seen from a German point of view the honest yet very dramatical wish and goal to mend relations between each other.

(Also the very natural, yet also legitimate concern about finances)

....yeah....get the kielbasa in Breslau ready! :)


....ummm.....I want to disgree sooo much....what's next? Poland beat us at Fußball???

Well if you give back some of our players, you do know Jamal Musiala is half polish right?, not german! ;)

I dunno....I still miss Poldi....

If anything Jamal is half-Nigerian. He and his mother were reportedly both born in Germany.

What? Musiała is a Polish name, His mother is Polish and emigrated to Germany in the early 2000s. Which ties into the EU thread as in those days Poland was bottom of the pecking order and people had to leave their beloved country to get a job that did not pay 2 zloty an hour. Luckily that has changed and Polish women do not have to immigrate to questionalble countries like Germany for economic reasons anymore.

Of course he is half Nigerian, but half Polish also. So as part of the war reparations that Germany owes we can take 75 million off the 300 billion that is due if you return our player to his rightful place in the Polish national team, or to the Nigerian national team.

His mother was born in Germany according to an article I've read, her parents were from Poland. He has English and German citizenship and due to his father he would have been eglible to play for the Nigerian football team. Playing for Poland was never on the table for him. He did play for English youth teams and considered playing for them though.


Many still do. In 2021 it was close to 100.000.

Are you insane?

There is no such thing as English citizenship.

@Miloslaw

Yes because the English covered themselves so well with a few million Welsh, Irish, and Scots here and there. In roughly the same proportion that Russia is Russian, Britain is English.

Such a pedantic ass you are.

But you talk bollox.

Britain is not English.
Just like Russia is not Russian.
I thought you were better than that but it seems that you are just as stupid as most Russians.
Because you have just shot yourself in the foot!

@Miloslaw

Oh really? Tell me now, good sir, how Britain is not English. No flights of fancy please, no historical révérences, but from your heart. Please?

I think it's you that just shot himself in the foot, if one were to think 3-4 steps ahead in the discourse.

You really are very ignorant about this island nation aren't you?

Ireland celebrate their saints day, Saint Patrick.
Scotland celebrate their saints day,Saint Andrew.
Wales celebrate their saints day, Saint David.
Who is the patron saint of England?
It is Saint George.
Is he celebrated? No!

And all the countries in the union have devolved parliaments.
Britain is not England my friend!
You have a lot to learn......
Does your foot hurt?

Well it seems Bratwurst was right that once Poland starts paying into the EU it will change things as it seems Germany will need it!

"As Germany's population continues to set new record highs and migrants are set to cost taxpayers over €36 billion in 2023, there are those warning that severe social consequences could ensue.

Tübingen Mayor Boris Palmer, of the Green party, is one of those voices, and in many ways, due to his popularity and party affiliation, his voice carries more weight than others.

Palmer told Neue Osnabrücker Zeitung this week that "if we use all of society's resources for the new arrivals, but there is nothing left for the local people, then this society will explode." He continued by saying that due to the mass influx of migrants, Germany's social system will eventually be exhausted.

Also it means I was right too, eventually German refugees will be heading to Poland due to global/national economic collapse and to avoid their fellow citizens who want to put them under neighbourhood islamic law, or at least have no qualms about jumping the line or taking their wallet when times are tough .|

rmx.news/article/green-party-mayor-high-spending-on-migrants-in-germany-threatens-to-explode-society/

There are some German pensioners in Poland and they have more for less if you know what I mean.

This is true.