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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 26


cms neuf  1 | 2223
9 hrs ago   #871
Interesting how public topics change..... no one's talking about the Ukraine corruption scandal

Not swallowing any of these 4 dimension chess ideas. Golden Cow doesn't know his ass from his elbow these days and certainly not able to think problems through.

Who outside Ukraine really cares about some scandal in the energy ministry ? Probably the same as your average Spanish citizen cares about Amber Gold or Obajtek.

The US needs to shape up - and the first step is clear communication about who speaks for America - Trump ? Vance ? Witkoff (god help us) ? Rubio ? Driscoll ? They gave us 5 different versions of the same story in 3 days.
mafketis  43 | 11835
9 hrs ago   #872
Not swallowing any of these 4 dimension chess ideas. G

Neither do I but he has good instincts on how to work a crowd (all those years in reality TV and professional wrestling).

5 different versions of the same story in 3 days.

In other words, likely none is the real deal.
Novichok  7 | 10969
7 hrs ago   #873
They gave us 5 different versions of the same story in 3 days.

A brilliant strategy.

We owe the rest of the world shlt. That includes how to fix this stupid war.

BTW, nothing stops the EU from sending its best to liberate Donbass and give it back to Z.

What the fvck are you waiting for, damn cowards...

Memo to Bobko: I actually don't mean it. I just enjoy their impotence and insignifance.


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OP PolAmKrakow  3 | 1082
7 hrs ago   #874
Poland with a nuke or a handfull of nukes scares Russia into not acting if they want to do something? Thats wishful thinking at best. Downright stupid really.
Torq  22 | 1942
6 hrs ago   #875
@PolAm

If we had half of American money and half of American military and nukes, this whole war would never have even started, and if it had started it would have been over back in 2022 already.

Poland with a nuke or a handfull of nukes scares Russia into not acting if they want to do something?

Well, the only way to find out is to give us the nukes. So? What's it gonna be?
Novichok  7 | 10969
6 hrs ago   #876
give us the nukes.

No!

Your are too emotional for the nukes.
Novichok  7 | 10969
6 hrs ago   #877


"Russia is advancing and nothing can stop it..."

...not jon, cymes, misspellers, and other Russia haters. Nothing...

40,000 Ukrainian men dead per month only because they are not allowed to surrender...
OP PolAmKrakow  3 | 1082
6 hrs ago   #878
@Torq
No one is giving Poland nukes. And Russia wouldnt be afraid of Poland. If Poland started to develop nukes, I think the war everyone is afraid of would start within months. Poland is not prepared for a war with Russia in a conventional sense, and provoking Russia is just stupid.
Torq  22 | 1942
6 hrs ago   #879
emotional

That's exactly the point.

Russia will know not to p*ss us off because we are world-famous hysterics, so they would be very careful to keep us happy. :)

As a bonus, we would witness historic reconciliation of Russians and Poles as no war between us would ever again be possible.
mafketis  43 | 11835
5 hrs ago   #880
ussia will know not to p*ss us off because we are world-famous hysterics

I remember when that was given as a reason the USSR didn't invade Poland in the first Solidarity era....

historic reconciliation of Russians and Poles

pass..... they're really not worth the time and effort
Torq  22 | 1942
5 hrs ago   #881
reason the USSR didn't invade Poland in the first Solidarity era

Exactly.

They knew we are not Hungarians or Czechs and that we would fight the invading forces.

they're really not worth the time and effort

I beg to differ. They are our brothers. One doesn't choose one's family. Eventually we will have to reconcile - Our Lord Jesus Christ expects it from us.
Novichok  7 | 10969
5 hrs ago   #882
they're really not worth the time and effort

When an elephant proposes peace to a hyena, the hyena is well advised to make peace with the elephant.
cms neuf  1 | 2223
4 hrs ago   #883
@Novichok
Ok, what about when a badly equipped badly trained illiterate drunkard proposes peace to a well trained, well equipped smart sober man ?
Novichok  7 | 10969
4 hrs ago   #884


Zhole said "dignity and freedom" 174 times.

Not even once: US taxpayers and referenda...

Fvck you, you stupid Jew... Without the US, you are and your Ukrainians are just a stain on a toilet paper.
Novichok  7 | 10969
4 hrs ago   #885
Another proof that I am a genius who is ahead of everyone...

Years ago, I said that Putin is too soft.

Today, Russians agree with me and urge Putin to just crush them...

Here we go:


mafketis  43 | 11835
4 hrs ago   #886
Eventually we will have to reconcile

They will have to change first and there's no indication of that happening.... ever.

They'll have to discover ideas like human dignity, freedom and responsibility and not let themselves be taken care of and told what to do and say and think by the tsar.
cms neuf  1 | 2223
4 hrs ago   #887
No one is giving Poland nukes.

Yeah we will have to buy them - Israel, South Africa, India, maybe France. Someone will be glad to sell their kit to us.
Bobko  28 | 2915
4 hrs ago   #888
Someone will be glad to sell their kit to us.

So far - the only people that sell this stuff are the North Koreans and Pakistanis.

RSA used to be involved in that space, but for the past 35 years is not.

The DPRK and Pakistan assisted Iran and Libya in their research and procurement.

Those two are desperate and poor enough, to sell to the Poles.
cms neuf  1 | 2223
3 hrs ago   #889
So far - the only people that sell this stuff are the North Koreans and Pakistanis.

Yes, but "so far" means nothing. The US has turned the old order upside down by its actions and made clear it won't be the world police any more. Anyway we will hopefully find some and if not we can build our own
Bobko  28 | 2915
3 hrs ago   #890
@cms neuf

I understand the emotional impulse - but getting nukes is totally stupid and a huge waste of time and money.

Russia won't attack Poland. If it does - some homeopathic amount of nukes won't change the balance.

No one other than Russia poses any kind of threat to Poland, whatsoever.

As recently as ten years ago, Russo-Polish relations were honky-dory. Tomorrow they could be good again, and then it would make you feel especially stupid to be sitting on a bunch of expensive nukes.

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Instead of nukes, continue to work ever closer with your European partners. Maybe get French or British stationing of nukes in Poland, and permission to use them in emergencies (subject to final French/British approval - to insure against crazy Polish stuff).

Do more military exercises, with various Finlands and Norways.

But best of all - find a way to "extinguish" the Russian threat diplomatically.
cms neuf  1 | 2223
2 hrs ago   #891
Russia won't attack Poland.

They attacked Poland last weekend
Bobko  28 | 2915
2 hrs ago   #892
They attacked Poland last weekend

I don't know.

Lots of people are saying that that's exactly what a broken piece of rail looks like.

Lots of people are saying that it's very strange, that a blast could tear apart a heavy piece of iron, but not displace the gravel on which the sleepers are sitting.

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Finally - nobody can adequately explain why Russia decided to go from accidental drone flights, to immediately killing 500 innocent Poles.

I mean... the potential killing of 500 Poles is definitely something to get angry about, but why would Russia do that? Seems a kind of stupid thing to do, no? Without many beneficial effects - if any. Probably more likely to make our life much worse - in fact.

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Maybe you have old and dilapidated rail infrastructure, and a piece of iron - through stress and fatigue - finally broke off, and an attentive engineer noticed it in time?

-//-

Look again at the photo your authorities provided, below. How come the gravel did not go in all directions?

It looks like the thing just broke...


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Novichok  7 | 10969
2 hrs ago   #893
They'll have to discover ideas like human dignity, freedom, and responsibility

Yes, genius, Russians had 1000 years to meet your specifications and, according to every Russia-hating azzhole, they have failed miserably...

Now that you said these profound words, a massive change in their attitudes and priorities will soon be taking place in front of our disbelieving eyes...

Is every Polak a moron or just some?
Bobko  28 | 2915
2 hrs ago   #894
It looks like the thing just broke...

To be clear - I'm not an expert in explosives, and I don't know how rail steel behaves in different regimes.

Before I saw that photo - I was pretty convinced that we indeed hired some Ukrainian teenagers to do this, and then extracted them to Belarus...

But after I saw this photo, I became not so sure.

Now it seems to me like the original story was full of gaping holes.
Novichok  7 | 10969
2 hrs ago   #895
but why would Russia do that?

"Russia" would do it to show the world that it is, in fact, a threat to it.

That's what Euros are desperate to fake to keep the US globalist cabal in play. "See? Bad Russia.. You, Americans, have to fight Russia now or later..."

So a little staged provocation by us, Euros, is for your own good...
Bobko  28 | 2915
2 hrs ago   #896
"Russia" would do it to show the world that it is, in fact, a threat to it.

Then why not blow it as the train passes over it? The extra $5 of budget for a piece of copper and a battery was too much?

Why not just use a crowbar and a carjack, to f*ck up not one single piece of rail, but dozens of different places along the track? No explosives necessary!

We could be sending Polish trains off their tracks all over the country, with a dedicated group of 25 people - and the Poles would have to spend untold millions to put a stop to it. The equipment would be the same as can be bought in any hardware store.
Novichok  7 | 10969
2 hrs ago   #897
Then why not blow it as the train passes over it?

You can't expect Novi-grade perfection from brainless morons who still view Russia through a Soviet lens...To them everything is frozen in time...
Bobko  28 | 2915
1 hr ago   #898
@Novichok

Well, regardless of what it was - it served that purpose you mentioned. So it may as well be a Russian terroristic attack.

Tusk said he knew what was up, within 48 hours. Some law enforcement people and curious people in other European countries raised their eyebrows at this kind of "live commentary" of ongoing investigations. Something one would expect more from a Kash Patel, than a Donald Tusk...

It didn't seem to create the reaction Tusk wanted in other places (probably because of all the above reasons), but it definitely did its job within Poland.

Look at what Torq told me - "the PM said as much, and unlike him - I don't have law enforcement and intelligence agencies reporting to me".
cms neuf  1 | 2223
1 hr ago   #899
OK so we won't buy nukes unless we have solved which way the gravel should disperse ?

Get real - Polish nukes are coming, like it or not.

Putler said he wouldn't attack Ukraine, attacked them 2 days later.

NN and the UNNR have repeatedly attacked Poland and every other neighboring country.

Senior North Nigerian politicians have frequently interrupted their daytime drinking to threaten Poland, including with nuclear weapons.
Bobko  28 | 2915
1 hr ago   #900
OK so we won't buy nukes unless we have solved which way the gravel should disperse ?

No - you don't buy nukes because even Russia and America chaff at the cost of maintaining these things we could never use - maintaining titanic supply chains which are not useful for anything else - and institutes and university faculties (that are similarly useless).

Poland should invest in itself, not the toys of the big boys that want to play at global politics.


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