Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25

Not true. It was Russian infrastructure as much as Germany infrastructure if not more so. Without it, Russia could not deliver the gas it was selling and funding the military with. Germany had and has other ways of getting their LNG. If power structures in Ukraine are targets then Nord Stream should be a target. Poland tells both Germany and Russia to fvck off in one action? That is poetry in motion.

Not necessarily. Warfare has changed - a determined middle-size country is much more likely to fight a successful defensive campaign against a superpower than it was in the past.


We are doing all of that, and will continue to do so. We have no other option really, and you know that.


Ancient history, Bobi. You are talking ancient history. For the last 3 years we have been living in a post-international-law world.

Quite correct

If the Russian Federation was interested in a world of law&order. It wouldn't try to dismantle only because it relies on the U.S.D to function.

The consequences of this dismantling will work against Russian interests long term. Russian Federation was a net gainer of the global system. It was just simply not enough.

To think that Lavrov demanded NATO back on the Oder line! They clearly wanted to restore their old sphere of influence. But the Cossacks said 'Ni!'. :)

The problem with Russia is that they cannot be decisively defeated for the fear of nuclear escalation. Ukrainians were already stopped once from crushing the invaders decisively. So, the war of attrition will drag on until Russia comes to the conclusion that the losses outweigh any potential gains.

Many factors can still come into play but so far I'd say we have been playing our cards right. Not everything is possible to predict even by Sarmatian strategists. ;)

You should worry less about Russia's long term interests, and more about a whiplash reaction from Germany.

The history of this question is interesting.

First, Germany, the Scandinavians, and the Poles were investigating.

Then Poland quietly closed its investigation. Somewhat later, Denmark and Sweden closed their investigations as well.

It was widely expected that Germany would do the same. But it didn't.

Why?

Pressure on Scholz, and now Merz, by coalition partners and the opposition to not let the act go unpunished.

Whether you like it or not - Germans are upset that someone did this. Let's let BB and Tacitus be our barometers on the question.

So in this way, (1) letting one guy go, (2) and letting another guy escape extradition - is a good way to show the Germans that you don't give a f*ck about their feelings.

Remember this old English comedy TV-series, Keeping up Appearances?

Exactly.


No, they're not.

Again - Tusk is their lapdog. If they really wanted the Ukrainian handed over, Poland would have handed him over right away.

Agree to disagree.

Germans feel they have been in the vanguard of Ukraine assistance, and didn't deserve this kind of "insurance" against a possible Russian rapprochement.

Because remember - less money for the Kremlin was only part of the reason everyone east of the Oder was so happy. The other reason, and maybe more important one, was "Let's try to prevent a Russo-German romance from repeating."

Also - let's not forget - that besides destroying a multi-billion dollar piece of infrastructure.... this event represented a huge ecological catastrophe. Germans are big on the environment.


I don't believe this.

Tusk - at this point - is one of the elder statesmen of Europe. Not some young reformer from the East, but a former top European official, a head of state, and leader of his party for close to two decades.

He's in the twilight years of his career - and he is most focused on legacy, and his eternal battle with the surviving twin. He's not in a mood to be pushed around.

Germany - meanwhile - has been run by various Liliputs since Merkel left office.

Merz is not Schroeder, or Merkel - to push Tusk around. Also Germany is not the same Germany, and Poland is now also much stronger than then.

I cannot see Merz pushing him around.

Poland now is very combative, and has a feeling it has deserved its place under the European sun.

*high five*


Imagine that! :)


He's basically a Gauleiter. Ask Iron if you don't believe me.


He already did - in the infamous separate train carriage affair. xD

As for Poland being combative, gimme a break! Lavrov said "NATO back on the Oder line!" and Russia went on a rampage. What are we supposed to be if not combative? Come on, brother oprichink (you're a Russian oprichnik, I'm a Polish one ;)) - we can bullsh*t others but not each other.

Any country can be combative when you combine stupid, "NATO" aka the US, A5, and 10,000 US troops.

Poles were combative in 1944 but their grandsons forgot the outcome.

I have a little bit more respect for Tusk.

Also, I think he's not blind and not an autist (after all he is a successful politician) - and if various Kanias and Ironsides perceive him this way - he is probably conscious of it.


Not familiar with this story.


I mean... you were the biggest problem child of Europe. Bigger than Fico and bigger than Orban.

The only thing that quieted Poland down, and made it act more carefully was the frozen disbursement of CoVID funds from Brussels.

For a few years, it looked like Poland's plan was to burn down the EU and take everybody with them. Thankfully, loss of money had an immediate sobering effect.

For the time being, PolExit is forgotten.

You always respect top politicans - a Russian Syndrome.


Oh, I hope so! I hope he feels our contempt.

That's the price Polish politicians (no matter how successful they are) pay for power - the contempt of Polish people. Unless, like Piłsudski, they win a major war. Tusk hasn't won anything yet, so f*ck him.


Forget it. I feel second-hand embarrassment to even mention it. Let's put a curtain of silence on it. ;)

Problem child!? Surely you meant problem hussar. He he.

Anyway, Ukraine is a country of clowns.

The CIA told them not to bomb the pipelines and they did it anyway (as reported by the WSJ and NYTimes).

Now, it may finally metastasize into a real cancerous tumor.

Instead of just making Germany a little bit angry at Ukraine, it now holds the additional promise of ruining relations among the European coalition assembled to assist Ukraine.

Ukraine - one long history of own goals.


You called him a Gauletier. I cannot subscribe to that point of view.

Donald Tusk loves Poland, and Sikorski does too - this is evident - no matter how much I detest these people.

He's not a traitor.

He's also one of the most famous sons of post-1991 Poland - so it is a little bit concerning that you are so ready to throw him onto the rubbish heap.

As would the US leaving NATO - a monstrosity way past the expiration date...35 years, to be exact...

Another lesson: When we create a new bureaucracy, the offices should be loaded with dynamite and remote activation.



Best time: 10 a.m. On Monday or payday, so everybody is at work.

Oh, come on. Be fair.

First, they stood up to the Russian onslaught. Then, Zelensky weathered the Trump's storm in the White House, and today they are still standing in the field - 100 bloody brigades of Cossacks, defending their country and even striking deep into the Russian territory. You know what my past sentiments towards Ukraine were, but with this war they earned their place under the sun as an independent country. Maybe a smaller one, maybe not in NATO, but a proud independent country nonetheless.


I am Polish. I sucked exaggeration with my mum's milk.


Of course not, but he is also not an elder statesman. Being famous is not everything.

Wait till Iron comes here. He will tell you more about Tusk!

@Novichok

Poles really are quite similar to Russians.

The more time I spend on this forum, the more convinced of it I am.

There are some cosmetic differences, here and there, and some mutual problems - that don't allow us to talk to each other properly - but at the core they are very similar people.

It's wild.

The last time we lived together with Poles as one people, according to history, is approximately 1,300-1,500 years ago. Since then, we have been on different trajectories.

But even 1,500 years later - the family relationships come through.

So many things change, but some things don't change at all...

Of course.

All the history between us and I still can't help but love Russia. It's scary how strong the bonds are! How my soul aches for Russian music, literature, language and soul.

Foreigners will never understand the Slavic atavism. That's why you and I we both love Crow, whilst Brits, Americans and Germans here consider him a funny madman.

They learned how to ignore the elephant in the room so well...My mission here is to remind them ... every day...

Hey, Polish azzholes, you are lucky Bobko is so nice....I am not, so listen up, morons...

Google "referendum" and quit pretending that C+4 didn't have them. They did, and the results were not even close.

Even the US doesn't dispute it, so they rely on moronic proxies like you to spread the lies that these referenda were somehow "illegitimate"... with international observers invited and present.

So STFU about the "invasion". We often say "Go fvck yourself", but not "Invade yourself." The Russian army is in Russia. So fvck off...


I did my best to make his posts better by using Grammarly. He was too stubborn to listen...

Today, there is no excuse for bad English. Stupid - yes. Bad English - no.

If Russia is the head of the Slavic body, then Serbia is the heart!

Crow would now advocate the return of one of our errant limbs. Long diseased by Western republicanism and Jesuit intrigue, it could be restored to health under the Orthodox Crown.

*yaaaaawn*

Buy this Corvette already and go for a ride, Novi. The intricacies of international politics and geostrategical nuances obviously escape you, and you sold your Slavic soul for dollars long time ago.

We know you opinions and convictions - you stated them clearly one million times. If you have something new to add, please do so. If not... well.


English is a prostitute of a language - to be used and abused by anyone anywhere in the world. Demanding linguistic purity or skill in English is like demanding virginity from a wh*re.

If Crow wanted, he would write in perfect King's English. His syntax and vocabulary were specifically aimed at expressing contempt for this vulgar tongue. He's the ultimate Dobri Brat.


Hear, hear.

Every Slav should take obligatory 2 weeks holidays in Serbia every year - to restore his soul to default settings.


Bring it on, dobri brate. He, he :)

..and will continue when some azzhole writes about "Russian invasion". For free!

Putin would have to pay me to stop.

Another way to stop me...Roll the tape back to 2000 and show me that Poland didn't invade Iraq.


English is easy because it was invented to communicate, not to impress and shine.

Every pathetic little narcissist says something like that, including Hitler.
Unfortunately, Israel is F without support from the U.S. Instead of alleviating the situation, they are bent on making it worse; they are making it impossible for their people to survive. Why doesn't the U.S. grant them land-perhaps a part of California, for example-for the Israeli state? Friends should stand together.
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Come on, don't confuse the delusion of grandeur with a just war.
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They have no right to conduct investigations on Polish soil; who gives them that right? Shoot that retard.

Also, with the attitude that the Germans display, they should take this opportunity to step back, but instead, they continue to meddle by reminding people who was responsible for enabling the Russians to pursue their imperialistic policies. It was the Germans, who, with their infamous wit, decinded to solve the population boom in the Middle East and Africa by bringing millions of migrant trash to Europe.

Who was so clever to champion green energy and electric cars? The Germans again, they were F by because of their decisions. Not to mention that green policy invented by the Krauts has a detrimental effect on Europe's economy.

Who believes they should have a dominant role in the EU because they are so smart and capable? Yes, the Germans again.

I must say they never fail to surprise me, and in the end, they are still full of themselves. That is truly a wonder, lol.

He hates Merkel with passion; she was his bane. Tusk, as her 'creature', is no longer welcome in Berlin.
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It was an act committed on international waters. There is no need for German zealots and nerds trying to solve that puzzle or save face by pinning it on some random Ukrainian in Poland.
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With patriots like him and Sikorski, we don't need enemies. Our hands are full.
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I consider Crow a lunatic just as Brits and Americans here do (I must be a Slavic traitor then, I guess)

Nah, they still see him as the one who defeated Kaczyński, so he still has a huge "credit" in Berlin.


Maybe you were germanized by the German minority in opolskie. ;)

The satanists in the Vatican have brainwashed this one into blindness.

Forgive him, Svetovid.

....am I to late to this discussion?

But seriously Bobko....I as a German feel with my gov, it's a seldom stupid situation and I guess you won't hear much from us...it's just a to **** situation, we are at a loss for words...

*getting red, starting to sweat, twiddling thumbs, hoping for another more important topic soon*

PS: The only one with a clear and loud opinion is actually former Chancellor Schröder, now answering a fact-finding commitee regarding Nordstream 2, who tells everybody, if he wants to hear it or not, that he did everything right and wouldn't change a thing....

Those stolem rusty Ukrainian dishwashers are amazing...



More about rusty dishwashers...

Wow....just found on X:

....I'm not sure to be proud of it....

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It takes years after Nurnberg tribunal to publish stories of "some germans".

Bibi is still free, so let's wait few years before start comparing.

Why? He tried his best to free them...and eventually he got them back home.

He isn't the sadistic kidnapper here...