Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 22

The issue with Trump is that the question of Ukraine, whether fair or not, has undermined him, particularly in matters of foreign policy. The U.S. electorate may not prioritize this as long as he addresses illegal immigration, deports undocumented individuals, and boosts jobs and prosperity where they are most needed.

However, when it comes to U.S. foreign policy, his personal influence is minimal. No one takes him seriously, and his ability to persuade is virtually nonexistent. His credibility among both foreign partners and adversaries is remarkably low.

There was a discussion about Biden, but at least Biden had people who were pulling the strings for him.. Trump appears to be pulling the strings, but he seems to be hopelessly entangled.

@Ironside
You miss the point. Americans dont care what Europeans think. They do not care if you like the policy or not. It was an America first election mandate. Trump is following just that. His policies on tariffs have brought everyone to negotiate. Ukraine, Iran are not the issues the majority of Americans want to even consider before the US is taking care of its own citizens. If anything, Trump loses support with every move he makes for Israel from citizens and only gains support from Democratic politicians. Like he loses support from real republican voters by helping Ukraine.

I believe you're missing the main point. This discussion isn't just about public opinion; it's about the quality of leadership and how other leaders around the world perceive Trump. It also involves the personal influence he holds in international politics. You might think this doesn't matter, or maybe it doesn't matter much, but in my view, it holds some significance.

What do you mean by "European"? Many Americans are European too.

It brought the yanks to negotiate.

Trup caved in every time.

The reality of the useless Russian military exposed;

Please stay [On-Topic] = Poland

Russia is £ucked!

Poland will not tolerate Russian aggression.

@Ironside
Being blunt, most Americans are not smart enough to recognize, or do not care enough about anything outside of their community, to understand what Europeans think. Less than ten percent of Americans will ever travel to Europe. Many never leave their own State. Poor Americans could not give one fvck about how Europe or anyone else thinks about the US. And most Americans are actually poor. The average US income is 40K USD, and that allows you to barely live. While Europeans think the US should care, Americans just dont agree. They want Trump to say FTW and focus on them. While the majority of whites are of European ancestry, fewer every year maintain any connection to European roots, traditions, and cultural ideas. Its a pity.

Most Americans cant find Ukraine on a map. And to suggest Ukraine should get money before Americans do is offensive. To suggest that Americans should care what Europeans think, when Europeans express such disdain for Americans almost everywhere is offensive. To suggest Americans should care what Europe needs for its defense, when the US is being invaded by illegal aliens is offensive. Imagine what an American would think visiting PF for the first time and reading some of the posts from Europeans. That would likely lead to zero fvcks being given about Europe in general.

Russia's economy minister says the country is on 'the brink of recession'

Russia's economy is "on the brink of going into a recession," the country's economy minister said Thursday, according to Russian media reports.

Economy Minister Maxim Reshetnikov delivered the warning at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, the annual event in Russia's second largest city designed to highlight the country's economic prowess and court foreign investors.

apnews.com/article/russia-economy-recession-ukraine-conflict-9d105fd1ac8c28908839b01f7d300ebd

It is all downhill from here for Russia

Am reading a funny article on Politico, about how everyone in Washington hates Zelensky's right hand man - Andrey Yermak.

There's a brief bit there, that should be comforting to Poles:

"A person familiar with the administration's thinking described Yermak as acting as if Ukraine was at the "center of the world," adding "it has already affected the relationship."

See, you're not the only ones that are like this. You seem to have implanted the idea deep inside Ukrainian brains too, during your centuries long colonization.

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That's his job.

Well then he's not doing it very artfully.

Persons interviewed for the article, say he hasn't a a clue about how American politics work. He's perceived as clumsy and naive, in his attempts to influence people in Congress or in the State Department.

Look here:

"He thought, for example, that the critical minerals agreement was so important for Trump that it would gain Ukraine the security guarantees in exchange for it," said a second person familiar with the trip, referring to a joint investment fund that is expected to give the U.S. access to Ukraine's vast mineral deposits. The person described the notion as "ludicrous."

Yermak's response, when Politico reached out for comment, is not great:

"If that means being considered 'challenging' by others - so be it. I will wait many more hours outside any door if that helps my country and my president's mission," he said. "I have no ambition to fully grasp how American politics works - I come to speak about the country I know best: Ukraine."

Or even the opposite, since your orcs are still bogged down and throwing meat into the grinder for minimal gain.


Don't worry your pretty little head about that.

It's hard to know why you mentioned it. "Ooh, look at this" stuff changes nothing for you.

Worry instead about the end of your Iranian-made weapons.

Because the guy sold out half the profits from every new mining venture in Ukraine for exactly nothing.

That sounds like some Donald Trump-level deal making.

Considering that Donald Trump WAS THE ACTUAL GUY on the other side of the table, it makes Yermak look twice as idiotic.

If you do a bad deal, with the worst deal maker on Earth - what does that make you?

You don't need to worry about that.


Do you imagine either side would put every part of their agreement in the public domain win.

Agreements between two sovereign states that are not yours are not a matter for you.

It wasn't colonisation, it was a cradle where nations were born.

For the art of the deal look no further than the North Nigerians defence and security pact with the Mad Mullahs

The Iranians agree to send weapons which they no longer can spare

The North Nigerians agree to provide air support but now no, they don't want to let their rust bucket NN Air Force anywhere near Israeli jets.