Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 22

...they had it coming!

Without Iran no Hamas!

But.....most interesting.....Trump knew....Trump was against that strike....Israel didn't care:

....Israeli military sources said Israel's attacks were directed against a nuclear facility and military sites in Iran. They also stated that the Israeli military believes Iran is capable of attacking "at any time."

US President Donald Trump had previously stated that he did not rule out an Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear facilities.

Trump: "I don't want to say it's imminent, but it looks like it's something that could very well happen." He called on Israel to refrain from such an attack in light of the ongoing negotiations on a nuclear deal with Tehran. "We're close to a pretty good deal," Trump said. "I don't want them going in because I think it could screw everything up."....

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Trump stated very clearly that he wanted nothing to do with it.

But he gave israel 2 ton bombs which biden refused that have been used against iran

Sources please
I am expecting Iran to hit back with chemical weapons.

Is that speculation since you don't have a source at this point in time of that being true ?

No, they will send 500 drones and hypersonic missiles.

Yep.

If you're familiar with the human geography of Iran (especially the Persian part rather than the European and the Arab parts) they are actually very vulnerable due to population density.

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....a good reminder for all who think Putin is somewhat a super genius who always has a plan!

I doubt he planned that...and he is able to make wrong decisions and miscalculate situations.....that is important to keep in mind!

The longer a dictator is in power the stupider he becomes and the more catastrophic his decisions are for the country.

Dictators are pig ignorant of what's actually going on because they have to surround themselves with yesmen and they're insulated from the consequences of their stupidity.

Good thing for putin that russians are passive and russian family bonds are far weaker than the prospect of cash payouts... as long as he can keep sign up bonuses and death payouts going russians are okay with keeping the war going.

Not nice to think about but it's better to face reality than dwell in the realm of fantasy....

He seems to make far more wrong decisions than right ones.

Assuming that the decisions are his in the first place.


After the fascist Salazar recovered from his stroke, nobody dared tell him that he was no longer the leader. He spent his last months in his residence outside Lisbon issuing 'presidential' decrees that nobody bothered reading or even delivering to parliament.

Israel is a puppet of the US, of course they condone the murder of civilians and their children as do the NATO countries that have now called for restraint.

They are very fcuking quiet about genocide...but...but...but Putin.

Closer to the other way around.... Trump, like many other presidents, is weirdly subservient to Israel.... of course there is no "Israel lobby"... pure crazy talk.

@mafketis
The only explanation I have heard is that the evangelicals love Israel or rather they need Israel to exist so that the world can end and rapture begin. These Bible thumpers dont even like Jewish people and want to execute those who wont convert to a twisted misreading of the bible.

There most definitely is a jewish lobby but not one that resembles the knuckle dragging conspiracy theories.

As I'm typing this a spokeswoman for Israel is justifying the murder of children on the BBC. They have no shame.

They surely do. There is no broad agreement about whether Jewish people need to convert...

And there's a more traditional Israel lobby (funded by some very wealthy Jewish Americans).

But even both of those don't really explain successive presidents deferring to Israel in that way that they do.

What would Palestinians do differently if the power differential was reversed?

I dunno....there are surely more german-americans than jewish-americans around....didn't helped Germany one bit in two world wars!

Jewish persons are the largest donors on either side of the political spectrum.

Jewish Americans, more than any other group, feel an affinity for their "home" country. I put home in quotations marks, because for most of them Israel is of course not home.

Jewish people like Israel - the Jewish state. Jewish people give lots and lots of money to Republican and Democrat candidates to help them get elected. They pay the back favor by adopting pro-Israel policy positions.

Voila!

The simplest explanation is usually the best.

A generalisation: At first Palestinians welcomed Jewish settlers but this began to change after the British destroyed Palestinian society in the 20s and 30s. The Terrorist campaign waged by those who became the IDF didnt help the situation. The biggest problem was the UN plan to divide the place which was contrary to the founding principals of the UN and was deeply unfair as it was a eurocentric plan that ignored indigenous land holdings. The new comers who were a minority were allocated most land and the best land, they then proceeded to ethnically cleanse as much land as possible denying the indigenous people any compensation or the possibility of returning. Those not cleansed were second class citizens while foreigners ruled the roost.

The only way to answer your hypothetical is in a one state solution, something Israel is in favour of if you believe them when they say they are not running an apartheid state.


This is the problem with evangelicals they just make scripture fit anything they want which brings us back to the printing press or social media. People publish anything they want without consequences and you end up with evangelicals. Its a wee bit like Islam, scripture is open to your own interpretation.

Haha!

How very Irish of you.

I think its partly that but more importantly the ossified nature of presidential candidates. Both Biden and Trump still live in the 1970s, Obama had a bit of understanding as did Carter.


A wee bit of coat trailing never did any harm :)

Indeed, stupid heretics with narcissistic flair are the real scourge.

Simply put, security. If an American is Pro-«Israel» it's seen as a guarantee of not going after Jews in America. It's self-defence, yet seems like favouring a foreign state.

The trauma effect of vengeful far right elements influenced by 1920's and 1930's thinking that the blame was with the financial sector in America and not with themselves being unprepared to feed their own troops and populations. (U.K had a policy of blocking Germany's economy and agriculture during the war, similar to the tactic employed against and by Napoleonic France in it's time)

Later on Germany's far right wanted full control, access and cleansing of all non-German elements in east to secure it's own agriculture. Due to wrong conclusions and paranoia they made enemies of everyone around them while doing so.

Now they have secured good and friendly relations with neighbouring European states and can rely on Europe for energy, food and trade. Soon also military too (as it was more given by U.S.A and not Europe in the past) contrary to past experiences of Napoleonic France or Swedish kings with it's military campaigns that forced Germans to centralise, militarise and becoming expansionist.

They have every reason to be wary of Tyrants, self grown or from abroad.

While elements in America are so used to and connected to world being revolved around money that people don't care about political situation as long as their assets are not touched. (At high political level)

It creates a foundation for Russia, China, Mexico, Canada, U.K, France, Brasil and Argentina to use and exploit for their own self-interests.

Unless the population at large in America do not learn from the mistakes of Roman Republic, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and Byzantium. Then U.S.A's future looks rather grim.

Some minorities, aren't gonna be the main problem then...

Simple enough - I can understand this.

Nobody wants to be put in an oven or a gas chamber, so you support the people that seem less likely to do this to you.

From the point of view of American Gentiles, however, it seems to be a rotten investment.

Probably half of all the people that hate America around the world, hate it because of its unconditional support for Israel. Bin Laden blew up the Twin Towers because of it, and now the Yemenis are shooting missiles at American aircraft carriers because of it.

America spends trillions on intelligence, on airport security, on weapons, etc - mostly to protect itself against people that hate it for supporting Israel.

Israel is literally the number 1 reason why America is not popular globally. Otherwise, it would be winning all popularity contests.

Even countries with very few Muslims, and quite far away from the Middle East - have largely negative perceptions of the USA primarily due to its support for Israel. Countries like Brazil, like Ireland, like South Africa.

Supporting Israel is an extravagant expense.

That has a lot to do with Anglican heritage and American societies view on legitimacy of the Catholic Church, their own Protestant Churches and Jews. A lot of Protestants are heavily invested in the old testament and therefore kind a lot of kinship and knowledge in contact with Jews.

Most of them do not recognise or understand Israel being continued in form of the Catholic Church, therefore also think they connect more with their Lord by supporting them.

Many Americans are more guided by their relationship with God then self-interests or strategic interests, which is why it looks confusing.

The fake Israel has only itself to blame for adhering still to the thought of eye-for-an-eye. Orthodox Jews rightfully claim it to be illegitimate and wrong. Leftists and centrist Jews however has lost all hope, trust and faith in the international community. Rightfully so! Very similar to Poles in the past I might add, distrust is still very high.

Moving them all to Madagascar isn't excactly a option really.

Also, remember that America is a protestant country and evangelicals--especially in the reformed tradition--support Israel because of their protestant interpretation of the Bible. God's promise to Abraham...

"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse"

... is the most quoted Bible verse in relation to Jews, as the evangelicals interpret this as applying to modern Israel, which is of course raging nonsense but try to explain this to them. They really should listen to some of rabbinic teachings about their theology (it's easy these days with youtube) to find out that their feelings are not only not reciprocated but that overwhelming majority of rabbis consider their reformed theology of predestination and rejection of free will a despicable abomination.

Evangelical Christians' support of Israel is a very interesting psychological phenomenon encompassing elements of projection, wishful thinking, compartmentalization and cognitive dissonance. If evangelicals are right, it is all will of God and supposed to happen anyway. If Jews are right, evangelicals are retards (but useful retards). Now, who has been reading and analyzing the Bible longer? ;)

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Bingo.

I think Evangelicals that support Israel because the Bible told them so, is maybe 30-40 million people. The remaining part of America that supports Israel, supports them for the same reason BB supports them.

Stupid, dirty, aggressive, and smelly Muslims are not welcome in America. When they blew up the Twin Towers in New York - that was a watershed moment.

Israel is a white country in a sea of smelly brown dogs. It shoots them dead, if they dare do so much as throw a rock in their direction. This is what people support.

I've heard a _lot_ of evangelical talk and I've never heard anything about predestination or any rejection of free will... I think that's Lutheranism which is very, very distant from evangelical thinking.

Maybe you were listening to the wrong evangelicals (pentecostals, methodists, prosperity Gospel?)--the term itself is rather broad.

The entire reformed (calvinistic) branch of protestantism - all the presbyterians, reformed baptists and congregationalists base their theology on the aforementioned ideas. Go on youtube and find sermons/lectures by R.C. Sproul, John Piper, John MacArthur, Voddie Baucham, Douglas Wilson, Sinclair B. Ferguson, Joel Beeke, Stephen J. Nichols and many many others - it's a very prominent movement among American evangelicals.

Original Lutheran teaching, of course, as you rightly noticed, also put a lot of stress on the idea of predestination but those days most Lutheran Churches (maybe with the exception of Missouri Synod) don't emphasize it that much.

I agree with Maf here.

The "evangelicals" which share views with Lutherans on predestination and free will, can hardly be considered "Evangelicals".

These are Arminians and Calvinists and their co-passengers, like Methodists, Presbyterians, and Reformed Baptists.

The evangelicals that go full retard, and want all the Jews in Israel to die in hellfire - to bring closer the Second Coming - are straight Baptists, Pentecostalists, and Seventh Day Adventists.

Arminians (e.g. Methodists) teach about free will, Calvinists (e.g. Presbyterians) reject it and embrace predestination.

In recent decades we had a veritable revival of the reformed (Calvinist) theology all over America -- the Young, Restless, Reformed movement among other things but also strong organisations like Ligonier Ministries or The Gospel Coalition. The world centre of Calvinism used to be in Europe (Netherlands, Scotland, Switzerland) but it has moved to the USA long time ago, and it is the reformed evangelicals who support Israel the most even though the core of their theology is an abomination to Jews.


Well, that too.

So what has a stronger influence on people's actions - their racial prejudices or their religious beliefs? A difficult question.

Distraction.

They are two sides of the same coin... a shared Reformed intellectual framework that debates how salvation works within divine sovereignty and human response.

They are brothers.

The people I mention are freaks.