Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 19

When Lindsay Graham calls on you to resign, you know you're fu**ed

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Coalition of the k*lling



Normies Are ANGRY 😠

We don't even know who Lindsay Anderson is - if it's some pussy US politician who won't stand up to Trump then he is inconsequential

Meanwhile the NNs remain 6km outside Pokrovsk - now into their 7 months. The starving North Koreans went home (or at least some of them have)

What's that like? What guarantees are there that it's just not a breather for russia to regroup and attack again?

Why would any sane leader want that?

Also: russia is demanding that Ukraine withdraw from Ukrainian held lands in provinces that russia claims due to its phony 'referenda'...

Is that reasonable?

Who?


It's precisely what it's about.


They have to lose on this point.

Give them an inch and they'll take a mile.

Economists estimate that r*SSia can only financially survive for a further year at most. We shouldn't make things any less difficult for them.

The proper term is передышка, and it is something that you definitely don't want to give Russians.

Basically, the laws of the universe say that if you give Russians передышка, you're f*cked.

So, if somebody ever asks you... "What is the one thing that you should never give to Russians?" ... then you don't say some stupid bullsh*t like "my wallet" or "my country" (unless you're a boy scout like Korvinus), no. What you say is 'передышка' - and that's the correct answer.

This is very flattering, of course, but Russian folklore is also full of stories of Russian laziness.

Given a chance to rest, Ivanushka may never rise up to work again.

Also, a передышка works both ways.

Look at 2014 for example - a perfect chance to end Ukraine once and for all - and with minimal loss of life. As fate would have it, it was not meant to be. Putin likely decided that time was needed to gather further strength.

Ukraine didn't sit on its hands either and also prepared. The result is the bloodiest war in Europe since 1945.

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Just some questions, if I may?

1) If Russia is close to financial collapse (as Jon and others claim), presumably because of the insurmountable costs of running the war, then why would it not drastically curtail military spending shortly following a peace agreement?

2) If military spending is cut drastically, in favor of sectors that had suffered from underinvestment throughout the duration of the war, then how will rearmament occur?

These two positions seem to be mutually exclusive.

In general - I think it is relatively easier and cheaper for Ukraine to prepare for Round 2 than it is for us.

What is Ukraine's main problem now? The main problem is that Russia has broken through (slowly, painfully) the line of fortified defensive positions they had prepared in the East. They are scrambling to build new defensive lines, and are having some problems with this. Themselves, they had found it impossible to penetrate Russia's defensive lines during their 2023 Summer Offensive.

So what I would do, if I was president of Ukraine, is spend the time granted by a ceasefire to build a new Ukrainian Maginot Line. Now that the trick of invading through Belarus (Belgium) is known to them, they can fortify that vector too.

Russia will have to invest disproportionately into enhancing its firepower, in comparison to what it will cost Ukraine to fortify.

So long as the war happens on a conventional plane, Ukraine can resist. If nukes enter the discussion, then something else is wrong, and it likely has little to do with the state of the war on the ground.

What I am getting at is that I don't believe Russia will use a temporary respite in the war, to rebuild its war machine.

I mean - there will be some rebuilding, but it will represent a huge slowdown from the pace of the past three years.

Certain privileged sectors like the nuclear deterrent and unmanned systems may even get more money (so Putin continues having a reason to meet with Trump and others), but the bulk of the army should be put on a hunger diet compared to what they have now.

I think people that argue that Russia will use any break in hostilities to rearm, are arguing this in bad faith. What I think they are actually afraid of is the opposite. That a relative demilitarization of Russia would over the long term strengthen it, by allowing its economy and society to become more robust and resilient. They perceive, correctly, that if they just keep up the pressure a little bit longer - cracks may start to appear. Granting Russia a return to normalcy, means that one day it can become much more powerful than it is now - and not through just military force.

Especially if America begins investing huge amounts into Russia, to prepare it for a separation from China - then it may not ever be necessary for Russia to use military force as a tool of coercion in Europe. Instead it would exert influence through its economic weight, which I think is fundamentally worse for Russophobes.

Scary orc threatening people with nukes - is the comfortable mode for Russophobes. Rich orc threatening to buy you - that's psychologically much more tortuous.

And what a complete useless waste of money and effort that is - to have to build fortifications in a manner of the 1930s, just because your neighbors are aggressive, useless expansionist drunks

It's clear from your post that you see Ukraine has being the property of North Nigeria. This in fact is the default view of your average north Nigerian citizen (at least the ones who are sober enough to think straight.).

No mention of NATO, nazis etc - it's straightforward, colonial expansion.

Does Czech have to build a Maginot line to keep Poland out ? Do the Portuguese have to be scared of Spain ? No because these are all peaceful advanced countries.
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If the European Union collapsed and there was an economic cataclysm, ie hyper inflation, mass unemployment, life savings wiped out, people selling their belongings to buy food etc ala what happened to the Soviet Union then yes, war between Poland and Czechia, Spain and Portugal could not be ruled out in the following decades.


It will return to being a gas station for the world, nothing more, with fancier trinkets and gaudy decor as usual.

... and would also cause huge cognitive dissonance as it was traditionally Jews that were connected with financially conquering the world through money, cunning, usury and general c*ntiness (all unfair stereotypes, of course). If Russians enter into this role - which may overlap in some Polish minds with distant reminiscences of żydokomuna - but continue with regular nuclear threats, then you will become the ultimate bogeyman for Poles. If you could all also somehow change your skin colour to black, language to German, religion to islam and sexual orientation to homosexual, then we would be terrified out of our senses.

Why do you think the English are the most pro Ukrainian, anti Russian country in europe?

Because they already had a influx of the rich russian into 'Londongrad', and everything that came with that; the murders, the corruption, the nihilistic lack of regard for life. This un-western, uncivilised russian culture really offended the British sensibility.

They hate you now, because they learnt your filthy pig in sh*t ways.

A black, Muslim, German-speaking, Russian homosexual... that is also fabulously wealthy - that's terrifying even to me!


I hope not.

Russia always f*cks up just as it is about to start living well. It's tragic, but the potential is certainly there.

Leading up to WWI, we were pretty late to the game of industrialization (for others in Europe it had started as early as the 1820-1840s) - but were still rapidly catching up. Pyotr Stolypin, the third prime minister of Russia (after the Czar had reluctantly begun to liberalize the country), passed a series of fantastic reforms. These made Russia the fastest growing economy in the world on the eve of the Great War.

Then the Nobel brothers were extracting oil in Baku (one of the largest oil operations in the world), and Russo-Baltique was making automobiles and airplanes in St. Petersburg.

It all went to sh*t.

Same in 2012-2013. Most multinationals had their Eastern European headquarters in Moscow. Toyota, Ford, Renault, Daimler and others were operating factories in Russia. Renault and BMW were even reexporting Russian made cars. European power companies ran Russian utilities, providing electricity to average Russians. Boeing was sourcing 30-40% of its titanium parts in Russia. Yandex was the largest tech company in Europe. Sberbank was very close to becoming the largest bank in Europe.

It all went to sh*t, again.

I think if Russia is given an uninterrupted stretch of maybe 40-50 years without any turbulence (we've had enough turbulence for 10,000 years) - you would not recognize this country. If we had just 1/6th the time Switzerland has had without getting involved in any kind of mess, then we could be wealthier than Switzerland.

But it's probably never gonna happen.

... coming to buy you, nuke you, and rape your anus (not necessarily in this order).

0_0

*ducks and runs*


... and whose fault was it this time? Say it, I dare you!


With all the natural resources, well educated population and complete safety guaranteed by the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, that is what Russia should be - a huge Slavic Switzerland. And there is one poster on this board who has been saying this repeatedly.

@mafketis
What is your Aunt had a dick? She would be your Uncle. All the what ifs are bull$hit. What if the US says fvck Europe and makes a deal with Russia? What if someone killes Vlad? What if someone kills Trump? If is the smallest and dumbest word used in this war.

Why isnt Poland lining up to put military in Ukraine for a cease fire? Why didnt Poland buy into the EU's bvllshit immigration policies? Because in the end Poland is out for Poland and Poles. This should be the position of every country, and the leftist leaders are the ones who have caused all the wars and all the problems. Peace comes with strength, and its time Europe made itself strong, not for the US to make Europe strong.

It was the fault of the Ukrainian baboons.

They should have been working with us. We would all be doing incredibly well right now.

They were too good to join a club consisting of Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Armenia, and Tajikistan. They were EUROPEANS.

Now they sit with their EUROPEAN asses covered in sh*t, and nobody wins!

Instead of having a GDP that is a quarter of Poland's (or less), they could have been sitting pretty with a GDP closer to 2/3 your size.

So yes, at the end of the day I will still blame Ukrainian hubris.

P.S. - I also blame Europeans and Americans for ever giving these apes the false hope they could join your club. It induced mass psychosis in their unformed brains, and we Russians were forced to deal with it.

What "leftist leaders" have caused wars and invasions since 1989 ? Name one

i can think of wars caused by North Nigerian Nazis, by Bush, by Saddam, by Serb nationalists, various African dictators and arabs backed by Putler.

All the leftists like who?

WW1 started by those well knows marxists.
Spanish civil war started by the Trot Franco
WW2 started by that communist Hitler.

Do colonial wars count?
The slave owners revolt was clearly fired up by neo levellers/diggers

Where we had actual communists they ended wars see the USSR.

It difficult to pick which was the dumbest decision, you posting that or Liechtenstein declining to buy Alaska.
Dont feel bad most members of the cult post nonsense daily, admittedly its a low bar to cross but with a bit of training I'm sure you will manage it one day.

Happy gulag *****

Thank you.

Instead of calling you an orc and a Mongol, PF members should appreciate your honesty. But they are boy scouts (and girl scouts).

Truth.

@cms neuf
Biden allowed the current war to take place. He was weak and so was every European leader. This war did not have to happen and would not have happened if not for the weakend, woke, leftist globalists that were in power. Hpows that for one? Think Russia would have invaded with Trump in office? No fvcking chance, and the didnt while he was in office before.

Gaza, again under Biden they attack, and under Trump a cease fire. Yemen, under Biden. Lybia under Obama. Syria under Obama. Iraq against ISIS under Obama. Niger under Obama. Is that enough?

So you are saying that any war that took place in 2008-16 is Obama's fault ?

And you are unable to provide a single example of a leftist" starting a war.

By starting a war, I mean pressing the button that commences hostilities. Not sitting in Washington trying to keep the peace

This war was started by North Nigeria and I think it is about the 10th they have started in the last century

@PolAmKrakow
Not many leftists in that list just a bunch of colonial wars and a genocide courtesy of the USA and its right wing leaders

Brutal truth, but honesty is a thing to be appreciated.

Ukrainians were once a part of Poland and a part of Austro-Hungary. They saw the other side, they saw a different world, they thought they could leave русский мир and be a part of that world. They thought Putin would tolerate a successful and rich country in what he considers his exclusive sphere of influence. Boy scouts, the lot of them.

Both are honorary terms)

Even as a child, reading the Lord of the Rings I was always very impressed with orc discipline and sense of purpose. Rohan, Gondor, the Elves, the Dwarves, the Ents, and everybody else had to unite to even have a hope of defeating them.

Also, based on the state of things - the elves were bailing, and the kingdoms of men were in disarray - it really seemed like Mordor was the only party offering any kind of practical proposals on how to move forward.

Regarding Mongols... well! That's high praise to be called Mongol.


I really do think that people are making stuff up about Russia re-equipping and reinvading, because they believe that this war is a convenient restraining jacket for Russia. They just can't say so out loud, because that would not be very nice towards the Ukrainians.

So long as its Ukrainian people dying, and not Poles or Lithuanians or Romanians - the continuation of the war is an unadulterated good. Why?

1) Your arch-nemesis is busy spending blood and treasure, growing weaker by the day.

2) A dangerous business competitor is sidelined through direct legal means, which rule out his ability to compete. The end of the war, means the removal of these protections. Many of the multinational HQs that were closed in Moscow, were reopened in Warsaw or Istanbul.

3) It prevents any potential Franco-Russo, or Russo-German rapprochement - because of the moral pressure from the EU's eastern members. They know that the day the war is over, the Germans and the French will be stumbling over each other racing to get back into Russia first.

4) Like I said - they're not afraid that Russia will invade further West, but rather that it will become truly strong. Not ephemerally strong as it was between 1991 and 2025, but actually strong. The years between 2012 and 2022 were a great brake on Russian growth, but the war was a real boon. However, the war also demonstrated to a lot of skeptical economists (Krugman), academicians (Taleb), politicians, military men, and others that Russia was not quite a house of cards - but rather a serious state. They recognize that with sanctions removed, and its near abroad secured as its sphere of influence, Russia could really start flexing 10-20 years down the line. Better to keep it bogged down in this war.

He did. Then he heard that this rich country said "NATO".

He didn't like the idea and said: No NATO in Ukraine.

Ukraine said: OK

Then Biden sent a British wh0re to tell Zhuj to fight...

Zhuj did as told and now Russia owns 20% and 90% - forever...hahahahahahahahahaha...

Side effects: 500,000 dead, 1 million disabled, Poland bilingual.

Careful Torq, that is a touchy subject with older Ukrainians.

They aren't really; nobody thinks about r*SSia there unless they're behaving badly, for example carrying out chemical weapons attacks in Wiltshire.


Yes, plus cultural influence from Greeks and Turks. There's no reason at all for them to have anything to do with r*SSia except to build a high border wall.

@Bobko

I partly agree on points 1-3. As for point 4, Poles opposing Russia's becoming really successful, that's a reproach against us that I cannot accept.

Rich Russia and, more importantly, rich Russians (not just a tiny minority of gold toilet sh*tters but the whole Russian society) are the best guarantee of Poland's peace and independence. Look at Germans - they became so fat that they couldn't possibly fit in their panzers anymore, if you know what I mean. Societies that are rich are thinking about their money, cars, lovers and general wallowing in their wealth and decadence. If we could only fatten the Russians, the way the Germans were fattened, they would most likely become as unwarlike as modern day Germans.


Курица не птица, Польша не заграница? ;)


Well, in their current neo-imperial, Peter-the-Great-style, mode - yes, it's better.


There are no older Ukrainians here. There aren't any Ukrainians here actually.