Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 18

What's mask?


What a vile thing to say.

WHY????

They immigrate into a christian-heritage country with a unique, special relationship because of a shared history with its Jews....nobody forces them to, but if they don't accept the rules stemming from that they should chose any other country to live in!

(There are alone about 50 islamic countries around, I believe, where they can live out their stone age religion and their jew hate to their hearts content, it would be better for all!)

I wouldn't say there's any "mask", it's just other people are often ignorant about their views and/or lack of knowledge, I think. 🤔


Not vile, maybe rather radical, but not unfounded. And if you know anything about Arab/Muslim countries (and it seems that you do) then you know very well why BB has a point.


I agree.

.....okay....."mask" being maybe the wrong word....English is so not my first tongue! :)

And I can hardly believe they really are only ignorant about everything Holocaust there is to know BEFORE they step a foot into Germany....it's global knowledge by now, isn't it!

@Bratwurst Boy


Just a reminder that more than 30% voted for Höcke in Thuringia only a few months ago... .

Rise of Germany's far-right AfD stokes fears at concentration camp site

thelocal.de/20240904/rise-of-germanys-far-right-afd-stokes-fears-at-concentration-camp-site

....sadly it's behind a paywall, maybe you can explain it to me? How do they reasoning that fear?

When has an AfDler lately terrorized a Jew on german streets?

Are the Jews in german Universities or in Kreuzberg...Sonnenallee truly fearing AfD-sympathisants?

'A punch to the country': German Jewish groups and minorities aghast at AfD victory

theguardian.com/world/article/2024/sep/03/jewish-groups-minorities-germany-afd-victory-state-elections


*Looks at Höcke, Gauland, Weidel and Chrupalla and what they have said about the Holocaust and Third Reich.

I wonder why jewish people might be unnerved by attempts to downplay that part of our history.... .

the German establishment and its inability/unwillingness to steer away from terrible energy and migration policies are entirely responsible for the rise of the AfD....

How many Germans approve of current migration policy?

How many political parties are actually talking about real, substantive change?

Look at Denmark where a 'far right' party was kneecapped by a mainstream party taking its very reasonable concerns about migration seriously.

You see....you read the same in the german SPIEGEL, DIE ZEIT, SÜDDEUTSCHE, TAGESSPIEGEL and other leftist media....with the same kind of no-explanation at all.
No word about the attacks on the streets by arabs....the anti-semitic demonstrations....the terror in the Universities against jewish students by pro-muslim supporters...nothing at all!

It's always only the same mantra: far-right = Hitler = anti-semitic

But that doesn't fit the reality in our countries anymore, does it! At least not in Germany.....where the arab/muslimic immigrant group is the most supported by the german left but hates the Jews like no other....no mention of that, I wonder why?

I meant that my guess is that people in Europe/the West are often ignorant about the views and/or lack of knowledge in Arab/Muslim countries concerning the Holocaust.


Many Arabs/Muslims seem to think that Holocaust is "Zionist propaganda". Also censorship in those countries considering this issue often comes into play from what I know. So, there may be people who don't know much about it. Another thing - outside of Europe knowledge about European history is often minimal, especially in some poorer or rural parts of a given country. It's easy to manipulate people who have very little knowledge.

True too....easy to ignore by us!

@Bratwurst Boy


Can't speak for Zeit, SZ et al but there have been plenty of articles in Der Spiegel about this.

Besides, my point was not to downplay that issue but to point out that there is little reason to be surprised about the lack of awareness about the Holocaust amongst migrants when you have 30% of Thuringians voting dor Höcke of all people.

Where do you see the connection?

And no, I definitely doubted the "lack of awareness" from our arab/muslim immigrants, quite the contrary....maybe they chose Germany for its past genocide of Jews? That would fit much better what happens today on our streets.

Additionally....no German who has gone through our schooling system can show any "lack of awareness" about that part of our history, it's just not possible.

So....that current anti-semitism on our streets and in our universities is surely not to blame on any "lack of awareness"....and so aren't the rising percentages of the AfD!

Its not, the Red Army liberated the concentration camp/death camps. There were some soldiers from Ukraine but the vast majority were from other places in the Soviet Union. Dividing the red army into goodies and baddies works both ways, the goodies in Ukraine or the Baltic states fought in the red army the baddies joined with the Nazis helping in the extermination and Zelensky allows statues etc to be erected in their memory.


It certainly is and displays not only an ignorance of history but a racially influenced bias the comment was supposed to disguise.

Is it comforting to have a sneaking regard for obviously racially motivated comments?

russian women, ladies and gentlemen!

russian wife wants to know if she'll get money if her husband croaks in the war..... she's asking because she's already gotten one payout from husband number one.... I bet if she gets a second payment, the countdown starts for husband number three....

death payments for family members is the russian equivalent of 500+....

x.com/AlexBondODUA/status/1884125420876095921

Maybe you will answer my question to that....WHY????

What is so vile about to force jew-hating (at worst) or ignorant (at best) Neu-Deutsche to force to learn some very important basics about their new Heimat?

Especially if caught before totally avoiding/ignoring the rules for all people living here?

@Bratwurst Boy
Its vile because you are using the same broad brush to paint Muslims in the same way your forefathers did Jewish people.

Rounding up a group of people and forcibly marching them through German history to show how evil rounding up a group of people is...is insane.

The Red Army took over those camps-changed inmates and a crew, and methods.

I don't even disagree here....insane....but necessary?

The other alternative left is to deport them....and to forbid any muslim entry, then a guided march through a death camp would be a better option, wouldn't it?

Okay....there is a third way....to leave it like it is....just to resign to muslimic Jew-hate....to accept their rising fear, even that more and more leave the country for fear for their lives (and no NOT because of the AfD) hence totally ignoring/denying german responsibilities because of our past.

What would you do?

I know you are a soviet scum /troll but have some bottum line with your trolling.

*concerning


We are discussing the commemoration of liberation of the Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp and who was invited and who wasn't to that commemoration and not the liberation of all the concentration camps in Poland or anywhere else. Auschwitz-Birkenau was liberated by the 60th Army of the First Ukrainian Front and majority of the ordinary soldiers of that 60th Army were UKRAINIANS.


Now this is a lie. There weren't just "some" Ukrainians. Ukrainians were the second most numerous nationality/ethnicity in the Soviet Army after RuSSians. And their numbers increased as the war went on. I've seen info that after 1944 40% of losses in the Soviet Army were Ukrainians.


I disagree for the reasons I wrote about in my previous comment.


Not like this, but some obligatory history classes with an obligatory and a free of charge visit to Auschwitz-Birkenau Museum for people who want to settle in Poland/Europe wouldn't be so terrible. 🤔 Noone is forcing anyone to settle in Poland/Europe so it would be their choice whether they want to get some knowledge about the country they want to live in or not. 🤷

By all means find fault with your government's specific policies.

Don't be negative about the people who come. EU are just availing themselves of what is available. You cannot blame them.


Most people in world couldn't find Germany in a map.


Vile.

Worth mentioning that Arabs have never committed genocide in the modern era. One specific country in Europe however sends to have some unaddressed issues about the worst genocide in history that they as
a nation participated in.

I dont think its necessary at all, in fact it would be counter productive and wouldnt achieve the result you want.

My German migration policy? Well its not fully developed but wouldnt include attributing all negative aspects of a group to the whole group.

Nope. Educating people about the worst genocide in history isn't "vile" (of course I don't mean "rounding up" people). What is vile is claiming that the Holocaust didn't happen and calling it "Zionist propaganda".


It doesn't matter. The issue is that many of them deny the Holocaust or don't know about it.

Yep.

He wasn't suggesting educating, nor is there a reason to single out any group (except Germans) about it. After all, they willingly went along with that regime, no mass protest, no civil disobedience. And their ruling party did not lack members.


That is a staggering assumption.

I was going to add more, then saw the last paragraph of Barney's post which sums it up.

Lots of "them and us" here".

What do you think a guided tour through a Death Camp is, if not education?

He clearly was. What I disagreed about was the manner of getting that education, obviously.


Facts say otherwise, I'm afraid.


We're not talking about the past now, but about the present. Germans nowadays get the education about the Holocaust at school, so they're not the problem.


Jon357, are you kidding me? :D On what planet are you living?

@Paulina
The majority of the people who liberated Auschwitz-Birkenau were not Ukrainian dont be misled by the name. As said above dividing people into goodies and baddies is not a very sophisticated methodology.


Punishment

....may there be never anything worse!

I'm bowing out here....*waves and takes helmet*

I'm not being misled my the name lol I know what was the ethnic make up of the 60th Army (the info comes from Soviet sources). 🤨


I'm not dividing people into anything. The same Ukrainians that liberated Auschwitz-Birkenau might have raped Polish women - who knows. My comment was an answer to Novichok's comment, because I doubt that people like him know that majority of soldiers liberating Auschwitz-Birkenau were Ukrainians.


*facepalm*
Would you be saying the same in case of neo-Nazis?