Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 15

@Bobko
If Russia isn't Soviet Union, then why does Russia have a seat at UN security council? Why would Russia have a claim to any lands like Crimea? Why it was Russia who got all the nukes from all republics? Etc.

Russia is a direct descendant of Soviet Union, it received all international perks of being Soviet Union, all international belongings, seat at security council and nukes. The US fought a war to not be called British America. Russia didn't fight a war for independence from Soviet Union, that would be absurd, Russia was a colonizer and benefactor of being a Soviet Union.

Have you ever met Russian liberals/oppositionaries? They begin their conversations with "Sorry!"

Russians have nothing to apologize for. These assh0les have no right to go around apologizing to people on our behalf. Nobody authorized them to hand out apologies.

Their constant apologetics in regards to Russia make me want to vomit.

Russia has no need for advocates. Our main advocates are our fleet and our army.

If somebody doesn't like what we say, they can always make their position known, and it will be duly registered.

The worst are the Russians that have settled in Kiev during the last three years. I want Putin to drop bombs exactly on their apartments.

@Bobko, really? And I thought the worst RuSSians are those Putinists who settled in New York and are telling from the comfort of their armchairs who should get bombed.


I've discussed with them for 7 years, just like with Putinists and some real nationalist nutjobs.


No, they don't lol

Poland's best ally: Polish army. Damn, we're so much like each other... I never thought I would say that but I'm glad we lost in 1612. If we were in your place, with all the power, resources, nukes, etc. ... we would be worse.

Some people watch interviews with Russians (on YT 1420 channel for example) and say that they are evil. Bullsh*t. If we had the same power, and Poles were interviewed, we would say worse things.

Exactly. RuSSia wasn't just "a part" of something bigger, as Bobko is trying to convince us here. RuSSia was the RuSSian Empire and RuSSia was the Soviet Union and RuSSia was running/dominating the smaller parts of those entities.


No, we wouldn't. Speak for yourself.

I am Poland, through and through, for better or worse, hence I speak for Poland.

One day, when you're older, you will realise that I was right.

@GefreiterKania, no, you're not Poland and you don't speak for Poland. You're a nationalist and that means you're on the fringes of Polish society.

It is rather you and Pawian who are on the fringes. Good people at heart, I suspect, but on the fringes.

You know who's roughly mainstream in wider sense? Korvinus, Grunni, Iron, Amiga, CMS Neuf and I. We can have different political sympathies but we're alike. Do you think that given all the power we would be better than Russians? Think again.

Your fleet - at the bottom of the Black Sea

Your army - pissed out of their numb skulls on home made vodka, 8 km from Pokrovsk

Got any other advocates ? Preferably sober

Nonsensical musings you are doing now. If the auntie had balls, she would be your uncle. Does your auntie have balls???? No. So stop stupid comparisons.


The army of toilet seat thieves, let`s not forget.

@GefreiterKania, both me and pawian are centrists and the coalition that we voted for is currently in power in Poland. Also, usually all the polls that I see concerning the views of the majority of the Polish society align with my own views and observations. So how am I "on the fringes"?


Cms_neuf is an American and he doesn't belong in your group anyway. Korvinus and Iron support Konfederacja, as far as I remember, and amiga and grunni support PiS, so they're not exactly in the same camp either.


If you're talking about yourself and your nationalist and rightist comrades - then maybe you'd be just a little bit better than RuSSians, I'll give you that :)

... is the coalition that I voted for too. The world is not black and white.


Is he? I always thought such level of Russophobia is achievable only by us. :)


I wrote "different political sympathies", haven't I?


No, we wouldn't. We would be PoliSSh. I promise you that.

I'm not American

I don't even think I'm Russophobic - I'm just opposed to Nazi bullies

Go and check if your auntie has balls. Grab her strongly in the crotch like Dundee to make sure. hahahaha

Goalposts.... moved!!!!!

The comment wasn't about the internal structure of the russian entity (which I don't care anything about) but about the unwillingness of the russian entity to treat other countries as equals

And me and pawian are not on the fringes of the Polish society and people like you, Iron and Korvinus are not mainstream. Amiga was brought up in Australia and lives there, so he can't really speak for Polish society at all. We're left with grunni - representing PiS voters, the most "mainstream" of the rightist side. Poland, just like the US, is pretty much divided in two, so there's no one "mainstream".


Don't you come from the US?


Well, I haven't seen a proof for that so far in Polish history. Poland wasn't born yesterday and was rulling over others in the past and it never reached the level of RuSSian "f*cked-up-edness" as far as I know.

What country has?

We had?

And yeah....it's a matter of power. Give someone enough power and it's a gamble if he will abuse it....most will....it's the same with governments! It's a human thing....

Go around and ask people how many of them are willing to apologise first to Ukraine for centuries of "colonisation", and then come back and tell me if you're not on fringes. :)

And rightists are mainstream in Poland. Lewica is weak and in the coalition only to keep PiS away from power; KO and PSL are right-centre (KO economically, PSL in social/conservative terms). In general 80-85% of Polish political scene is rightist, centre-rightist.

I can think of a few...


Only to some extent, imho. What you do with that power (as in - how far you will go) depends on your national character, your history, your current situation, etc. And first of all - you have to have that hunger for such power and the desire to rule over others.


If you consider KO and PSL to be right-centre then that means I'm right-centre too and that means I'm mainstream and not on the fringes :)))

After my historical learnings it's more of a matter how well you can sell the righteousness of your "hunger" to the people. Just invoke some restitution of some past injustice and even the most peacefull underling will nod and and at least not protest....the rest is history, as they say!

I guess an inclined polish leader would have lotsa examples to promise his people to right past wrongs and use polish power to do so, wouldn't he?

Not necessarily. A lot of people with leftist inclinations voted for KO or Trzecia Droga to keep PiS away from power, and they feared that a vote for Lewica might be wasted if they don't cross the coalition treshold. I told you, the world is not black and white. :)

@GefreiterKania, but I'm not a leftist and never was. I've always been a centrist. And as I wrote to you already - judging by the polls my views usually align with the views of the majority of Poles.


They're in the minority in the Polish society, just like Konfederacja voters.

Fence sitter!

At least tell me if it's centre-left or centre-right. :)


So are you or are you not for Poland apologising to Ukraine first for the "centuries of oppression", as Pawian proposes?


Exactly. Right/centre-right is Polish mainstream.

Yes, Paulina, time for a bit of honesty from you now even though I already know the answer.


Agreed.

BB, Poland was under partitions for 123 years, went through a few years of Nazi occupation with death camps in our country, we lost millions of people, half of our lands, the capital of our country was leveled to the ground and then - 50 years of communism under the foot of the Soviet Union and then the 90's crisis due to the transitioning from communism to capitalism. And after ALL OF THAT all we could "muster" was Jarosław Kaczyński and PiS... lol so... some food for thought, I guess...

@Paulina

You didn't answer the question.

Now, don't be hasty, master Miloslaw... I'm on it :)


Yes, a great view on both sides from my position :) The most objective view there is, I guess.


I have no idea :) A bit of this, a bit of that, it's complicated. As you wrote - the world is not black and white :)))


Tell that to PiS and their voters that KO is right-centre lol I'd like to see their reaction :D

I would also tell them that they are closer to leftists in economy, and only their stubborn clinging to Catholic and national tradition allows me to qualify them as right side of political spectrum.

So, what about the question of apologising to Ukraine first? :)

Ouch :)