Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2

We shouldn't underestimate the chance of that. It's 50% of voters and they already dislike the pimp Nawrocki.

Two different people with same DNA.

How many couples are on the adoption waitlist?

... sources estimate that there are about 2 million couples currently waiting to adopt in the United States -- which means there are as many as 36 waiting families for every one child who is placed for adoption.

are you allowed to kill one of identical twins?

No.
Are you allowed to force people into giving the organs, blood etc against their will?


How many kids aren't adopted?
In Poland in 2021 it was over 73K.

Ask them if they would like to continue unadopted or die...


No.

That doesn't mean that women are "forced" to stay pregnant.

Well yeas, if you are Chinese citizen

If they are not then great, They can choose to stop the pregnancy.


But that wasn't your argument. Your argument was about how people are just waiting for the kids.

Foreign press tells me the mayor of Warsaw has trouble with his left-leaning/progressive electorate, because him and his Daddy Tusk did not manage to rollback PiS-era abortion restrictions. This may hurt him at the ballot box.

How important is this to Polish voters from the big cities? For you, Lenka/Paulina, does this count as a mark against Trzaskowski? The failure in the fight against abortion?

Are you upset that he has walked back a lot of the LGBT positions he adopted earlier?

No, pimp and wannabe gangster Nawrocki would be worse...

@ mafketis
Do pelicans fly in flocks?

Not really. Especially since the alternative is Wielki Bu who they'll not vote for.


Centre right politicians always dance around things that don't play well in Peoria. His 'positions' around matters LGT+ are neither here nor there since he can't do any damage.

Even if nobody was waiting, you have no right to kill a person just because that person is inside you - unless that person is a threat to your physical health or life.

It wasn't me who used that argument. You were using the 'waiting' argument against abortion. I just knocked it down.

No, because that's not his fault and he made his views known on this matter:

gazetaprawna.pl/wiadomosci/kraj/artykuly/9786995,debata-prezydencka-trzaskowski-jestem-za-prawem-do-aborcji-do-12-tygodnia.html


I think anyone who knows anything about Polish politics understands that they wouldn't be able to roll back those restrictions as long as there's a PiS president in Poland. That's one of the reasons why we need Trzaskowski to win.

They could've at least organise a referendum about abortion - I don't know if it will hurt Trzaskowski at the ballot box or not that they didn't though.


Yes, this.

If somebody told people two hundred years ago that women would actively fight for the right to murder their children, nobody would believe them.
They would say - nah, you've got sick imagination.
Nah, only lowlife trash and prostitutes would be inclined to do that. Not a decent woman out there would ascribe to such abomination.

Iron, I would hug you for that post if I could...It's so good that I don't have to add anything to it.

If you asked men, possibly.
Women would probably understand. And probably tried way more often than you think.

Anybody who knows anything about American politics, knows a Democrat president cannot do anything with a Republican controlled House. Nonetheless, Democratic Party voters became increasingly angry at Obama - and contenders further on the left capitalized on this... including Bernie Sanders and others. In this way, many people think enraged leftists delivered the presidency to Trump, in 2015.

If voters always understood why something can't be done, we'd be colonizing Mars and Pluto by now - but they don't.

So you are very smart, but many people don't have time or energy to familiarize themselves with the political landscape.

No, I said people, it means both men and women, or at least the overwhelming majority of them. Also, I bet more men would be supportive of the right to abortion than women.
It was before Marx brainwashed the population, and people had more sense.

Don't think so. And abortion was not always such a sin even in the eyes of the church:

offtheworld.pl/pl/magazyn/lipiec-2023/magazyn-275/aborcja-w-starozytnosci-i-wiekach-srednich-w-kosciele-katolickim/

On my island, men would be allowed to have sex with women only if they can prove they have the means to support four kids.

Gay sex would be unrestricted since, contrary to trans activists, men cannot get pregnant.

It was a different time and a different society. Nobody would dream of seeing abortion as the right, and the medical field was such that it was more risky to have a miscarriage than an actual delivery. So, only truly desperate and destitute women would choose that option.

On the other hand majority of men would see the opportunity to F without consequences as a good thing. So for them, abortion would be a dream realized.
Same is not that good for women, as it impacts their mental and physical health negatively.
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Indeed, you are right. However, it needs to be said that the Chruch's view on abortion aligned with the progression of the medical field and science.
While Marxist views date back to the middle of the 19th century, and now in the light of the modern scientific discourse, it is a truly backward and unscientific view on abortion.
Ideological fantasy based on some backward theory that is true of it.

Delivering a baby is healthier.

It's free and the baby can be dropped off, no questions asked, at the nearst police station.

Or the women just walks out of the hospital...10 pounds lighter and free to repeat the cycle...

Indeed!


As it usually does! Fides et ratio non sunt contraria, sed mutuo se amplexantes and all that. Damn it, Iron, how can you be so right on some things and so annoyingly wrong on others? ;)

Of course not, and women are not fighting for the right to murder their children, but for the right to have an abortion. By the way, the inventor of the abortion pill died yesterday. RiP

That's not a distinction, that's a thesaurus entry.


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Ask women what they think about it. Allow me to say two more sentences on this topic. Then I'll stop commenting. Murder is an act prohibited by law. Abortion is a medical procedure protected and co-financed by the state. A dramatic difference.

In godless countries perhaps. They will all receive their reward, in the lake of fire, where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.

Executions in the US are medical procedures protected and financed by the state.

Are you for or against executions?

The death penalty in the US serves as a deterrent. Without it, there would probably be even more serious crimes. As the saying goes "dura lex sed lex.