Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany?

He doesn't really expect any answers.

The answer, morons, is 1. Even one is one too many.

You two, azzholes, can't even read and comprehend a simple question in a third-grade English...

I don't have to look at the "national budget" to know the correct number.

The AfD achieved 15% of the votes in the municipal elections in North Rhine-Westphalia. That's three times more than before. However, the SPD and CDU combined achieved 55% of the vote... that's enough for me. ✌

Anything to suppress majority opinion?

A clear majority.

15% is a fringe vote.

Seriously!

All parties combined like a.....say....one big state party? And winning?

The AfD has their numbers tripled...in western red heartland.....if that counts as victory for the gov I don't wanna see them losing!

PS: I personally like the kick in the ass for the Greens...they are well on their way to a an also-ran party....well deserved!

Got 15%

...from 5,1% in 2020...compared to the Greens from 20% down to 13%....I wonder for which party their voters have left them for?

Just like the AfD....The Greens got 13.5% and the AfD, according to provisional results, 14.5%.

...erm....yeah...the Greens lost lotsa voters and the AfD gained lotsa voters and even overtook them in NRW....totally alike! 🙄

I really see that in the future coming....the remains of the SPD and Greens together with the CDU and even the Linke having to band together and build unworkable, unnatural coaltions to keep them in power even if barely so....

That won't be a nice picture and will damage our democracy heavily!

This is still the 2nd best result the Greens ever had in NRW. And compared to 5 years ago, priorities have changed for many voters. Climate change has become less of a concern while the economy is now seen as a priority. So not a result they can proud off, but nothing to be ashamed off either.

It is sad though to see that an increasing nunber of people in home state are now voting for people who'll actively make things much worse for everyone. People who are not interested in solving issues but in keeping them open love to talk down everything.

You don't call that a big fat middle finger from the people in NRW?

Of course all are winning but the AfD...these losers! 😎

I am still waiting for an explanation of what AfD wants that would be bad for Germany.

....and that! Should be really difficult for the AfD.....NRW has become such a poor, criminal ghetto like run down place in big parts....even ruled continously for decades by the SPD, the CDU and even by the Greens recently...

The argument the AfD will be worse is somehow not so convincing if you have to live there!

When I was there in April, it didn't seem like a "poor, criminal ghetto like run down place".

Just an average European industrial region. Could be anywhere in Northern England, Northern France or South West Poland.

A majority of German voters when asked about migration (esp Germany's broken refugee/asylum policies) are closer to AfD positions than any other party.

The refusal/inability of any mainstream party to get in line with public opinion won't go anywhere good....

....I dunno about the english problem regions...but even the german public-service broadcasting portrays them that way, as one could see daily in the run up to these elections...I don't want to live there, sorry to say that!

And the examples that its bad governance mainly are also shown...I remember the doku about one town gov taking care to supplant the leaving old industry with modern technology jobs...and it worked.

But mainly the for decades inherited power structures elsewhere mostly never gave a ***!

Not really. The Greens fully expected to lose compared to 5 years ago and their share of votes was larger than feared. They may even end up with a mayor in the town of Münster or Cologne, something the AfD can only dream about.


Yeah, and Sweden is a crime-infested hellhole, instead of one of the most peaceful and prosperous places on Earth. That is at least the impression one would have if one follows far-right propaganda. NRW is a large area with roughly as many people of living there as in East Germany. There are very poor places there but also very prosperous ones. Going by income per cirizen NRW remains among the upper half of German states.

Cologne was the site of infamous Sylvester night in 2015. Now the citizens will either choose an mayor from the Green party or the SPD.


It is when you look at how places develop where the AfD has grown strong. Things only get worse there because on top of having no solutions to the structural problems of the regions, they make them even less appealing to the skilled migrants we so desperately need (and they have no idea of how to get rid off the unskilled, illegal ones either).

On the real bright side though, the BSW only got 1% of the votes. So Putin's parties only poll at around 22%, which is not great, but also not detrimental to the politic stability of the state.

There aren't any, and nor is that. The media always go for headlines.


Or even good governance given its relative prosperity compared to European regions as a whole.

We shall see. Merz has now implemented significant changes in our asylum system and the number of new arrivals reflect that. We may even see regular deportation flights to Afghanistan in the future if recent news reports are to believed.

The AfD is a one-trick party. They do well when the refugee numbers are up, and when other issues emerge they lose votes, like they did in 2021.

The crucial issue now is that the economy recovers.

My....how the mighty have fallen....I remember the Greens quite recently still seeing themselves as a "Chancellor Party" :)


Agreed....and the coalitions needed to keep the AfD out will become ever bigger and wilder over time....making even more people angry and frustrated....


Because they have to...everything for democracy, right?

In Chorweiler the AfD got candidate over 45%...the Green candidate got only 5, something....


t-online.de/region/koeln/id_100913990/wahl-in-koeln-hier-holt-afd-kandidat-fast-die-haelfte-aller-stimmen.html


Really Tac....the AfD is kept away from any ruling by the good and upstanding Democrats....still blaming them for the state of things is...well...astounding!

You are lying. Their manifesto is 20-item long.

You are also a bad German. Protecting Germany form the migrant invasion is existential, not "a trick".

I find it puzzling and eventually irritating that I am a better German, a better Brit, and a better Pole than the rest of you.

The reason is simple: You, weasels, are too scared to be honest. I am not.

So one more time: Without "Nazis" or a military takeover Germany is on the way to its ethnic grave. The UK is already there. That's why those "far-right" demonstrations.

....somehow I also can see the numbers of immigrants going down without the AfD....the globally known bad and even further sinking german economy will keep many from trying their luck here!

yippee yippee yay 😕

No, because the AfD candidate only came in 4th place with less than 10% of the votes and thus hasn't reached the second round.

nrz.de/politik/article409889501/ergebnisse-so-lief-die-kommunalwahl-2025-in-koeln.html


It is simply an observation. There are AfD mayors now and even a Landrat and their performance has been less than stellar. And it has been observed that regions with strong AfD election results have found it more difficult to attract skilled workers from abroad.


The AfD is primarily held back from power due to their own choices. We could have had a black-blue government today, if the AfD had followed into the footsteps of Meloni and Le Pen, but instead of getting rid off the crazies in their ranks, they promoted them and gave them leadership positions. If a political movement is so toxic, that not even their French, Italian and Polish counterparts want anything to do with them, then maybe not forming a government with them is less a conspiracy from the democratic parties and more a consequence of their survival instincts.

Not a compelling argument...

It's all in the numbers:

A - new arrivals per year

B - departures per year

C - total in Germany

D - reproductive rates, whites vs foreign scum

All else is just noise.

Nothing personal, BB. I know where you stand and that you are doing your best here. I just can't stand your two German brothers.

I doubt it very much....I remember the start of the AfD as an anti-Euro party, they never got seen and treated eye-to-eye, as a common political rival....they were never left enough!

I also remember the latest french elections where all the french centrists/leftists banded together to keep LePen out....and these big demos ala "Kampf gegen Rechts" from all these upstanding leftists....sounds familiar? And where stands France now....on the break of internal collapse...

But of course we will repeat all these errors...for democracy!

...you can't choose your family though! :)

I'm just glad they are willing to discuss things here...in Germany I will even be called a Nazi for my views and questions and no upstanding democrat talks with "Nazis", so....I don't complain!

And why do you believe that France would be better off if MLP was in charge instead of Macron?

All she has done so far is advocating for destructive policies. Her Russia policies were atrocious, and she sabotaged any attempts to reform the cumbersome French wellfare state.

And the AfD is even worse.

That is what people said back in the early 1930s. The economy is bad, we had a world war less than 2 decades ago, let someone new take shot. It can't possibly get any worse. But it could and it did.

I'm honest I'm no expert with french politics...but I remember Marco Wanderwitz, an especially outspoken pro AfD-Verbot former CDU politician, being asked what exactly should such a Verbot gain the other parties...he answered summarily: "Time!" That a ban will make it possible for the current parties and politicians and elites to turn the wheel around at last and rebuild the country and with that also the trust in the democratic institutions."(My free summary)

And now looking at France, it doesn't seem that all that banding together and keeping out and "Kampf gegen Rechts" has changed the country for the better in any way...


How so? LePen opening the Gulags? Weidel invading Poland and gassing Jews? What exactly do you fear so much???

Which is one of the more convincing arguments that I have heard regarding an AfD Verbot. A little more time is often what makes the difference between success and failure in politics. Who knows how things had turned out if the democratic parties in the Weimar Republic had had a little more time to build on the success of the "golden" 5 years of the late 1920s before the world economy crashed.


I fear the destructive potential of populist parties. Destroying things is easy and goes relatively fast, while rebuilding from the ashes is difficult and requires time. We take e.g. the EU for granted nowadays, but building it required multiple generations of politicians who both had the vision and fortuna to make it happen. And the AfD wants to put that at risk. Same goes for the threat of Russia. I'd rather see as acting as the leader uniting other countries against the Russian threat, then siding with Putin and in the best case alineating our closest political and economic partners (worst case we see war spreading from Ukraine to other European countries).