Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany?

....maybe these Palis could become Jews?

Lets face it, its that islam which makes all the trouble everywhere....yeah...that's THE idea....that could work! :)

Okay....better leave now *waves*

It's like a dog becoming a cat.

Easy...

You're right, Alien!
However, let's not forget either that the Jews were the key target of Nazi hatred
because the German masses were encouraged to be afraid that the Jews would
somehow take over the country, even if they were only about 4/5ths of the entire
population of Germany.

On the whole Jews have been more willing to share than the "locals" were... which is not even taking into consideration that many/most Palestinians aren't from the area of modern Israel but were drawn there for economic reasons.

A similar situation in some ways to South Africa...


I have said (and believe) no such thing. What I have said is that conflicts of this kind usually end with the expulsion of one of the groups (any Germans in the Sudetenland now?) That's descriptive, not presciptive.

Neither side wants a two state solution and neither side wants a single secular state.

What does that leave?

Above all, Jews have traditionally been far more assimilated within Western Europe, at least,
than most Muslims in my experience. One reason for this of course has been centuries long
intermarriage between Jews and gentiles. Perhaps in Poland or the Ukraine not as common,
however in France and Germany, very common, especially after the period of the Enlightenment!

Why do you think it is your problem?
I don't care, Poland has no real interest in this part of the world.
I just dislike it from a moral point of view.
I hate when the war crimes, ethnic cleansing, and slaughter of toddlers are being brushed aside and excuses are made by the same hypocrites who cry a bucket of tears over anti-Semitic slogans on the wall in some obscure towns in the shyt district.
Those are the same people who feel for every Ukrainian civilian killed by a nasty Orc. lol!
Radicouls' double standards - that is my point.
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Don't confuse issues here. South Africa is an annoying example where the US has been meddling to make things worse for everybody. They had a perfectly well-functioning state, and now they have another African shyhole.
The only connection the US involvement in Isreal to support for that state and in the case of the SA to **** it up for them in the name of profit.
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I have inferred such attitude from your words. Either express yourself better or own up to it.
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The problem is - there is no selected space for such expulsion. Germans were expelled to Germany.
Where is a Palestinian state?
In the Muslim paradise, so what you say, the only solution is to wipe them out.

True.

Muslims, in general, are incapable of assimilating with western society in general, this is a major problem.


I disagree, Young Poles,especially,are getting more interested in Poland's Jewish history.

Are you confused? Something different is to be interested in the history of a minority in your country, rather than in the Israeli wars and tribulations. lol!
Polish national interest has no interest in the Middle East.
Also, when I was young, I was interested in this nonsense as all, you could say I have been a mild fliosomite, the real Jews and Israel cured me from that folly real fast.

That's our brand!


Jordan? There's no real dialect line (one way of telling Arabs apart) between Palestinian and West Jordanian... and then there are how many other Arab states?

Many Palestinians would love to shake the dust from their feet and move but keeping them in Israel is more politically advantageous...

Where would Israelis go in the (extremely unlikely) case of the Palestinians being able to drive them out of the country?

A nice theory, but in practice, in Jordan, they don't want or recognize them as their own.

No one does....

And again... where would Israelis go in the unlikely event of Palestinian victory?

So we are back to square one. As I said, your solution is no solution, you simply refuse to face reality and what you really support - to wipe them out. Don't worry, Israel is on it.
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Since such an event is unlikely, there is nothing to talk about. Unless you are saying that better Arabs than Jews. Is that your justification for extermination?

Not my solution.... it's not what I support, it's a likely outcome.

I would prefer for Palestinians to try to get a reasonable peace with Israel (very available) but what they want is an overwhelming victory over Israel.


Stop projecting.

Look, you don't have a solution. You have some wishy-washy general view on the issue. I'm doing you a favor by pointing out what it practically means.
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Look, the only way for this to work in reality is for the side that has power over the other side to let go and let them create a state in the West Bank. How difficult is it to understand? Such a state would be the ultimate solution to the Palestinians' question. If and that is a big IF, that new state will do something against Israel - they will lose.
Honestly, that irrational fear of the Palestinian state is unreasonable.
I would be afraid in the future of all the Arabs who will see and remember the extermination of Palestinians by the Israeli state. It won't go away.

No one has a solution and one wont emerge until Israel stops breaking international law, ends the current genocide and dismantles the apartheid state they have created with the help of the so called rules based international order.

The interesting thing is that all those who get hot under the collar about Ukraine dont give a fcuk about international law when it comes to Palestine. Where is the outcry about herding Palestinians into cattle pens to give them some food because Israel has weaponised aid.

Fact is Israel originally served two purposes, it solved the so called Jewish problem and partially salved the conscience of European and US countries.

The Palestinian partition plan was contrary to the founding principals of the UN, a kind of original sin. But we are where we are. Perhaps the Israelis in general and the IDF in particular could give Hamas pointers in how to transition from an ethnocentric terrorist organisation into the most moral army in the world? I would ask the IDF for pointers but they have yet to transition.

back to square one....


The situations are not similar....

What do you think would happen to Israelis if Palestinians had anything like parity in terms of ability to project force?

On the other hand, Ukrainian treatment of russians is very different from russian treatment of Ukrainians.

Ukrainian returning pows look like they've been in a torture concentration camp while russian pows look healthy. Ukraine tries to avoid civilian deaths while russia is now specifically targetting civilians, etc etc etc.

Situations are never the same just like genocides are never identical. I'm talking about international law, you either support it or you dont. Its dissonant to support its application for one and not the other.


Then they (Israel) would negotiate in good faith as equals and not dictate.

No, back to the root problem. At the least, such a solution should be implemented. You big-hearted liberals and humanitarians have one answer - nah, it won't work. Really? If you have no other solution to offer, how can you dismiss this one so easily? After all, if it doesn't work, there is always time for extermination.
Just face it, if you do that, you support the extermination of the Palestinians. Simple.
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The law is the law. What are you quibbling about? Those are excuses.

Barney, nobody gives a flying F about international law; they enforce it if they can in their own interests or to project power.
Hence, your solution is not practical.
However, you hit the nail on the head by pointing out that the ball is in the Israeli court. It is in their hands and in their power to find solutions other than extermination or forced expulsion. In my opinion, that solution is to give the Palestinians land of their own - possibly the West Bank.

The architecture or the ivory tower the so called rules based order uses depends upon it. I do agree that no one anywhere gives a fcuk about international law if it impinges upon their interests. That is the only comparison I would make with the Ukraine situation.

People have their horses and they will back them.

What international laws are being broken by Ukraine?

What international laws are being broken by Hamas?

Maybe you should create a dedicated thread for discussions about Israel/Palestine?

It would be nice.... I'm fairly sure there's one already....

...I guess they want to keep their Israel! As long the Pali solution is "from the river to the see", they will keep breaking "international law"!

Good for them!

PS: If I were a Jew I would give a *** about some international law or some international community or such....where were they as we shoved 6 million of them in the ovens? If Hitler hadn't gotten megalomaniac and attacked the worlds biggies nobody would have cared....

And yes, the only workable solution right now is a Jordan-Palestine....I guess in time it will come to that!

This - while the Israeli conflict is many times more brutal.

I recently read in an academic paper that the Russo-Ukrainian War is an absolute anomaly when it comes to the ratio of military to civilian casualties. The ratio is close to 100:1.

I think this same ratio is 1:100 in Gaza.

Reasons:

1) Ukrainians have blonde hair and blue eyes, and are Christians

2) Gazans are brown and Muslim

3) Many Western voters (like BB) are tired of living under siege by Muslim immigrants that don't want to integrate. There is no safe place to vent this hatred, so they vent it by proxy. In the brutal tactics of Israel, they see the decisiveness that is absent in their own governments.

....and Europeans!


There is no need for a proxy, I guess....forgotten already the World Trade Center? 9/11???

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

Once Israelis/Jews will kill Westerners like Arabs do I promise to hate them equally!

Ah! So the magic formula here is an attempt by Germany in WWII to exterminate you? Or is it about numbers>? So, what is the threshold?
You keep forgetting you were having it not only for the Jews. How come only the Jews get all the benefits? eh?
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Nope is a pipe dream and a shifting problem for someone else.
I don't see Jordan giving in anytime soon. Unless you mean they are going to be forced and coerced into it.
Nice, your solution - forced expulsion and a war of aggression against Jordan.
If I hear you whining about the expulsion of Germans after WWII, I'm going to laugh.
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I guess you are right, here. It seems to be that way.
Well, the government should just use a mass deportation method - there is nothing wrong with it.
At the very least, if they don't want to repatriate them into the Sahara, they could ask Russia - there is plenty of space in Siberia.

PS: You could also say any Westerner supporting the Palis is supporting that terrorism and spitting on your own deads!


What benefits?

Poles at least sit on lotsa once-german lands as consequence too...


So? What else is new....it wouldn't be the first time shoving borders and people around for lasting peace, now would it!

I guess its the Palis decision if they want to keep dying or if they want peace and a future for their kids. And if they can't make that decision
it has to be made for them....it's not nice for the contemporaries, but it works long term!

Who cares! I don't hear Europe complaining about the shifting....nobody seems to want to change it....for Palis it will be the same in a few decades, at least its a hope....you on the other hand have NOTHING!

Absolutely true, Palestinians in Jordan hate Palestinians everywhere, and for that matter, everybody else, hate is in their DNA, nevertheless, most Jordanians are Palestinians.