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Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany?


mafketis  41 | 11417
2 days ago   #1171
They consider themselves freedom fighters.

Their merchandise on the ground might think of themselves as 'freedom fighters' but the leadership living in the Gulf in luxury are entrepreneurs whose commodity is dead Palestinians (and a few dead Israelis as seed money).
jon357  72 | 24091
2 days ago   #1172
living in the Gulf

They're in Doha. I used to buy hummus at the same shop as them and the Taliban 'embassy' staff.

Your take on them is right. It's less about, say, Gaza (however they do feel strongly) and more about money since they know what is or isn't a lost cause.
Ironside  51 | 13212
1 day ago   #1173
Hamas is not a political or even religious organization

I don't understand why so much attention is focused on some secondary issues.
Is it to muddle the issue?
Is it to distract from the gruesome reality?
Is it to dull some pang of conscience?
It doesn't matter what Hames is or isn't.
It doesn't matter what so-called leaders are doing or not.
What matters is that Israel refuses to grant Palestinians their state and engages in ethnic cleansing and war crimes against humanity. At the same time, the US is their strongest backer and provides material support for them to be able to perpetrate those crimes.
Forget about Israel they will have their componpauce sooner or later as karma is a *****. That is their choice,
Why Americans choose to be on the receiving end of the karma for some strangers is a mystery to me, and behind the curtain, lobbing power.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12187
1 day ago   #1174
That is their choice,

Well....worse than the Holocaust can't get this Karma....so, I guess as a Jew I wouldn't be that afraid of it anymore. *shrugs*

On the other hand, the Arabs will get theirs too....wait....maybe that what is actual happening IS already their Karma?
Ironside  51 | 13212
1 day ago   #1175
worse than the Holocaust can't get this Karma

Do you think what is happening is not like the Holocaust? It eerily reminds me of the scenes when the Germans were closing in on the Warsaw Ghetto.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12187
1 day ago   #1176
Yeah....sure thats why Hamas-SS is hoarding the food.....
mafketis  41 | 11417
1 day ago   #1177
Israel refuses to grant Palestinians their state

What evidence is there that Palestinians want to 'granted' a state by Israel? They don't want Israel to exist. How do you negotiate with that?
Novichok  6 | 9504
1 day ago   #1178
How do you negotiate with that?

With tanks and AR-15s...It works very well, I was told...
Bobko  28 | 2288
1 day ago   #1179
They don't want Israel to exist. How do you negotiate with that?

First - let's begin with the fact that Hamas is a child of Netanyahu. Grew up on his corrupt teat.

Here's a link to an article in the Times of Israel, with the nifty headline of "For Years Netanyahu Propped Up Hamas, Now It Has Blown Up In Our Faces":

timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

Another illustration:

"'Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,' he told a meeting of his Likud party's Knesset members in March 2019. 'This is part of our strategy-to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.'"

A genius strategy. Prevent the formation of a Palestinian state, by fostering enmity between the secular Fatah in the West Bank and the Islamist Hamas in Gaza. Let's forget, that Hamas even first appeared, because of elections on which Netanyahu insisted.

Netanyahu understood full well, that Hamas is an "unsupportable" entity, and did everything in his power to strengthen them. This included negotiating with the Qataris for a infusion of billions of dollars into Gaza - a lot of which surely went into tunnel construction.

Netanyahu made his own bed, and now he has to sleep in it.
mafketis  41 | 11417
1 day ago   #1180
Netanyahu made his own bed,

More proof that no head of state in office for more than 10 years is worth a crap. Ten years (give or take2 years depending on local circumstances) is the absolute limit before their priority turns inexorably toward enriching themselves or just holding on to power for the sake of holding on to power.

No counter-examples in the 21st century, only confirmation.

With dictators it's even worse because the longer they're in office the stupider their decisions become as they become more isolated from anything outside their dictatorial bubble.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12187
1 day ago   #1181
Netanyahu made his own bed, and now he has to sleep in it.

I guess, he can live with that. Once he made the border safe for his people so that no arab terrorists can come over from Gaza again, he surely will like his bed, whatever that is...
Ironside  51 | 13212
1 day ago   #1182
..sure thats why Hamas-SS is hoarding the food.....

Like Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto, they even had some guns, and they shot at the humanitarian German forces that were to bring order in the lawlessness of the Ghetto. So I guess, according to you, they had been coming, eh?#
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What evidence is there that Palestinians want to 'granted' a state by Israel?

At this stage, there is no need to negotiate the West Bank; just withdraw all Jews and all Israeli forces from the area and guard the border. You can negotiate once they form their state.
The issue is that Israel doesn't want them there, but they want their land - why are you so slow?
mafketis  41 | 11417
1 day ago   #1183
just withdraw all Jews and all Israeli forces from the area

How'd that work out with Gaza?

Israel doesn't want them there, but they want their land

I've understood that perfectly for years. Both sides want all the land and neither wants to share (some Israelis are less against that than others).

once they form their state

They had a chance to do that before and failed and made sure they would never have the chance again... Arabs are bad at creating/maintaing countries.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12187
1 day ago   #1184
they had been coming, eh

Them raiding some german village, raping and killing babies, taking hostage and torturing them for months in some dark tunnels before ....well....that info must have been lost somewhere...

In case you forgot that war was started by Hamas, don't present them as innocent victims as the Jews during the Holocaust!

The issue is that Israel doesn't want them there,

Thing is nobody wants them....and yes, Jordan is nearby and full with so many Palis they could easily declare it their own state.

PS: That "Jordanian-Palestinian confederation" is no new western idea:

"Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan":

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian_option
Ironside  51 | 13212
1 day ago   #1185
In case you forgot that war was started by Hamas, don't present them as innocent victims like the Jews during the Holocaust!

Oh but the fact their were innocent victims was established after the German state got his ass kicked so bad they didn't know were is up and where is down. Before, the Jews were dangerous enemies of the German nation.
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Them raiding some german village, raping and killing babies, taking hostage and torturing them for months in some dark tunnels before

Given the sentiment of those times, that scenario is not unlikely, but German villages were out of reach at the time.
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Thing is, nobody wants them.

The Thing is that it is their land, and Israel was established on the premise that they would share that land with the locals. Without going into the details, we can say that if Israel does not keep its commitment, it will lose the mandate to have their state.
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How'd that work out with Gaza?

Gaze wasn't a Palestinian state, it was a reservation, a CONCEPT you, as an American, should be somewhat familiar with.
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They had a chance to do that before and failed

So I guess they deserve to be wiped out.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12187
1 day ago   #1186
Before, the Jews were dangerous enemies of the German nation.

Said the Nazis....they were as right as Hamas is now, no wonder the Arabs love the Nazis!

but German villages were out of reach at the time.

There were Jews in Königsberg, Breslau...everywhere.

The Thing is that it is their land,

As were Königsberg and Breslau etc german....meant **** after losing a war....seriously Iron!

Gaze wasn't a Palestinian state,

There NEVER was a palestinian state before....even a foundation of one would be a new thing for them!

it will lose the mandate to have their state.

Says you and what army?
amiga500  5 | 1563
1 day ago   #1187
don't present them as innocent victims as the Jews during the Holocaust!

Well.. there seems to be a bit of overlap.. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparisons_between_Israel_and_Nazi_Germany
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12187
1 day ago   #1188
Comparisons_between_Israel_and_Nazi_Germany

Honestly Amiga....if Israel would be only a tiny bit like Nazi Germany, they wouldn't have that whole Pali problem anymore.
mafketis  41 | 11417
1 day ago   #1189
So I guess they deserve to be wiped out.

Would they wipe out all the Israelis if they could?
Ironside  51 | 13212
1 day ago   #1190
Said the Nazis...

Well, who said Palestinians are dangerous enemies of the Israeli state, vermin, terrorists, and worse than animals? Hamas or Israeli minister?
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There were Jews in Königsberg, Breslau...everywhere.

Must be guarded better than Gaza Arabs, or as they say, that lapse in security was intentional.
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So were Königsberg and Breslau etc....meant ****

Still Germany was left a generous amount of land to rule as they saw fit. Maybe if all the rest of the land is questioned or taken away from you, you will be more empathetic.
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There NEVER was a palestinian state before

So what? As I said, Jews got their land there on the premise that they would somehow share land with the locals. So far, they had been systematically kicking them out. Facts.
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Says you and what army?

Oh, they can flourish for a long time without that madante, but having flawed fundamentals will make their fall inevitable.
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Would they wipe out all the Israelis if they could?

I guess that is a - yes.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12187
1 day ago   #1191
but having flawed fundamentals will make their fall inevitable.

Yeah...Poles know all about it...

you will be more empathetic.

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Oh **** off!
Ironside  51 | 13212
1 day ago   #1192
Oh **** off!

Temper, lol, you brought forth this argument, BB. Not me.
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Yeah...Poles know all about it...

Indeed, minded our business and didn't meddle in our neighbor's affairs too much, I guess being lenient to those who don't deserve it led to disasters. The lesson learned I hope.
Looking at our Ukrainian policy, not so much.
Ironside  51 | 13212
1 day ago   #1193
By the way, I have no issue with people who think Palestinians should be wiped out. I do not condone it but I can understand such an opinion. I have an issue with hypocrites full of excuses and no moral backbone.
Maf already admitted he believes Palestinians should be wiped out, just because. Respect!
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BB, do you have the balls to admit it as well, or will you be hiding behind excuses?
Bobko  28 | 2288
1 day ago   #1195
There NEVER was a palestinian state before....even a foundation of one would be a new thing for them!

There never was a Jewish nation state either. In fact, the modern nation state only appeared after the Peace of Westphalia.

The Kingdom of Judaea collapsed in 70 BC, destroyed by the future emperor Titus. It was not a modern nation state, but rather a theocratic monarchy. It was defined by dynastic rule, religious rites, and tributary systems. Not by civic nationalism, borders, or mass participation in some collective identity.

All of its institutions, political coherence, and EVEN POPULATION was dismantled. No modern state would accept such a 2,000 year gap as constituting "continuity" for legal or diplomatic purposes.

The population part is especially important when discussing the Palestinians, and why I want to bring up biology. Logically - I'm sure you will agree BB - every living person is concrete proof of an unbroken chain of survival and reproduction stretching back to the emergence of Homo sapien, let's say roughly 300,000 years ago. If even one of your grandpas failed, you would simply not exist today. So... with this resolved, let us first establish that Jews and Palestinians are equally old biologically. That is, the Palestinians did not arrive from Mars in 1948.

Now let's return to the collapse of the Jewish population in Judaea. It literally collapsed, to a tiny fraction of what it had been before. Who continued living there instead? That's right, Palestinians. They are the product of millennia of adaptation, reproduction, and continuity... whether under Canaanite, Philistine, Israelite, Roman, Byzantine, Islamic, Ottoman, or British rule.

Since their little piece of real estate happened to be the most desirable real estate in the world, they did not have the good fortune of carving out their own little place, and instead spent their entire time living under massive empires.

Do you think the Jews would have better success than the "Palestinians" at ejecting the Roman or Ottoman Empires? Something tells me, no.

So this argument of no "Palestinian state" is completely ahistorical gibberish deployed by Israeli propaganda. The simple fact is there was no Israeli state either (in fact ancient Israel was destroyed by Assyria, on Judaea's request), and that Jews had not lived there for a much longer time than the amount of time the Soviet Union has not existed. Nonetheless, your Ukrainian allies view these 35 years as being as wide as the galaxy. I wonder what Ukrainians would say if we made claims that were 2,000 years old - hahahaha!
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12187
1 day ago   #1196
The Kingdom of Judaea

...but no modern nation state, no...you are right!*eye roll*

Reminds me about some stating there never had been a german people....
Bobko  28 | 2288
1 day ago   #1197
but no modern nation state, no...you are right!*eye roll*

If the Kingdom of Judaea (which as I explained orchestrated the destruction of the Kingdom of Israel - read the Bible, it's your friend) - is a modern nation state... then we definitely don't have much to discuss.

With this logic, the Mongols can claim Baghdad, and Moroccans can take back Spain.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12187
1 day ago   #1198
...totally misunderstanding....the Jews build their modern state Israel on their former Kingdom, what would the Palis build on?

The Jews aren't strange or foreign to that land, its their age old home!

The same way the Poles would want to come home to a Poland, no matter how many hostile dissolutions and partitions....or the Russians come back home to what is now ukrainian land, right?
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 12187
1 day ago   #1199
PS: Apropos bible....Jesus in the holy land was called a Jew, not a Pali....
Ironside  51 | 13212
1 day ago   #1200
never had been a german people...

Look, you are all Serbs, ask Crow.
Seriously, the modern research suggests that biologically, there is continuity here in our part of Europe. It only undergoes cultural change and evolution.
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So this argument of no "Palestinian state" is completely ahistorical gibberish deployed by Israeli propaganda.

Indeed, I would add that the biological descendants of ancient Jews are Palestinian. Modern Jews are a curious mix of many ethnicities; they mix historically with and their culture evolved after the fall of the Temple.
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