Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany?

Very good news today that the centrist Nicusor Dan has won and Romania has been spared a fascist president.

I don't know from fascist.... but he's been confirmed as a russian asset by the Moldovan court system.

spotmedia.ro/en/news/opinions-and-analyses/a-lost-trial-by-george-simion-confirms-the-accusations-of-ties-to-kremlin-espionage-do-the-presidential-elections-remain-under-russias-wing

I dont' have any great faith that the winner will do much positive (in Romania, like Poland, the president isn't that powerful) but it's better to have a non-russian asset in the job.

Interestingly.... Orban supported Simion despite Simion being a confirmed Magyarphobe.... this could weaken his position with the diaspora (like Fico who Orban also supports).

dailynewshungary.com/anti-hungarian-presidential-candidate-simion-is-supported-by-orbans-campaign-team/

Since it was the Moldovian court system, they must be right.

@Rich, as per usual, you're merrily missing the point!

If you ever bothered to read through the Weimar Constitution as compared
with the Nueremberg Laws, the change(s) would knock you cold. First off,
any scholar would tell you, as aforementioned, that for the first time in German
history, the concept of race was introduced into the body law of Germany.

Jews, Roma, homosexuals, political "undesirables" etc. were deemed unfit to
become or to remain German citizens and were therefore to be rendered
stateless, thus removing considerations on their behalf accorded regular
German citizens.

The Weimar Constitution by contrast was modeled on the US-Constitution by
Hugo Preuss, a German constitutional scholar, who among others believed,
perhaps in hindsight naively, that Germany was ready for democratic leadership.

How mistaken they were.

The leftist NYT openly endorses german conservative Merz....


nytimes.com/2025/05/17/opinion/merz-germany-chancellor.html

My....they really are sh****ing their pants about the european right movement!

But as I said before...."every conservative, beware when the Left is rooting for you"....they loved "conservative" Merkel too....only now slowly acknowledging her as the root of most of Germany's actual problems. Merz won't fare any better if he listens to them....

....But politicians can go too far in the other direction - toward open borders - and Ms. Merkel did so, however noble her intentions. The pace of recent migration to Germany has been so high that a backlash was inevitable.

It has strained the country's social services and housing market, particularly in the working-class communities where recent arrivals tend to settle. Most saliently, the system's loopholes have fostered a sense of lawlessness. In the past 12 months, Germany has experienced at least four fatal attacks by migrants who failed to qualify for asylum but nonetheless managed to remain in the country. ...

Is there still hope for the Left to see the error of their ways?

... As the writer David Frum put it,"If liberals insist that only fascists will enforce borders, then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals refuse to do."...

THAT!

I am a proud fascist, racist, xenophobe, and homophobe because I hate open borders, crime, race-based discrimination, illegals, and biologically useless AIDS spreders.

There ...10 years in a British slammer...Nothing in the US.

US >>>> UK.

I totally agree with you.....🤔

From the same article:

The Alternative for Germany, a far-right political party, is among the world's most extreme major parties. It echoes Nazi messaging. It has ties to President Vladimir Putin of Russia, and it traffics in anti-Muslim and antisemitic language. The party - known as the AfD, an abbreviation of Alternative für Deutschland - is so extreme that Marine Le Pen, the leader of the French far right, broke with it.

This....and then that:

... As the writer David Frum put it,"If liberals insist that only fascists will enforce borders, then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals refuse to do."...

...a lesson the german Left keeps on ignoring!

The worse the situation, the less the "Nazi"-description-throwing is working....what will you do then?

Crikey! Are you reading my posts in a secret group for Labour politicians and activists? I posted that quote there two days ago.

Frum is szmata jeden however that quote is a good warning about how important it is to be ahead of public opinion on some issues and behind it in others.

Plus, a warning about the dangers of fascism, national alias, populism.


Quite deliberately. One party was and the other is good at PR and of course people are often easily led.

That's the thing....that "warning"!

How often can you warn till that warning loses its effect? Especially if it comes from growingly unpopular sources....

An example....the GDR people had been warned for decades of the dangers of capitalism and the West generally....from Kindergarten onwards...dissenting parties and media being forbidden, even a wall was build...all to safe guard the good people and rescue them from the bad, of course....

Only some "warning" alone means nothing in the long term...not if the warners don't deliver a real positive alternative!

The importance is to act and to do it in a way that nationalists hate but the public are OK with.


Very wise and very true, unless the workers of your country get more money from their job than the investors they sell their labour to.

....something the non-Right is seemingly unable to find! (Unable or unwilling, that is)

Of course there is the example of Denmark cited quite often...a leftist government doing what the rightist party promised, and for them it worked, the Right going down the drain...but....who has won in the end?
After all most people don't care how the party is called as long as they do at last what the majority wants/needs them to do...


...and very not-working! Will the Left ever learn from their failures?

I doubt it....the talk is always of the Nazis....of a feared repeat of '33....of some reborn "Weimar"....NEVER of '89 and what led to it! So, no...they seemingly don't want to learn, so they will have to repeat!

We're doing it and our government is centre left.


If you get the benefit of most of your labour, you'd be right. If some investor you've never met makes more from your labour than you do, you're wrong..

Even those of us in the top 5 or 10% of salaries and in the public sector can't always say that.

....still dreaming of that equalist/socialist vision in a capitalist society?

Thing is...THAT IST NOT WORKING!

A socialist society always degenerates into a third world economy (no investors, no public sector at all anymore) very soon....where only the tiny party elite has the money to eat in one of the few restaurants...and the 95% of the common people has to stand in line for the daily bread and milk (if there is any).

There has never been an economically successful socialist ruling...WHY DO YOU NEVER LEARN???

Of course, the main difference here is that those warnings had no base in reality.

Whereas pointing out what the AfD is all about is simply judging them by their actions and rhetoric.

Have you heard what AfD politician Rüdiger Lucassen has recently written about German paratroopers who conquered Crete, mentioning how his father and others won against a "superior" enemy. What he fails to mention of course is that the regiment his father served him was involved in several war crimes, including the murder of civilians.

That is not "normal". And hopefully will never be considered as such.

derwesten.de/politik/afd-kreta-lucassen-id301589832.html

And as long as people as that are prominent members of the AfD, any warning about them is justified.

Nobody is forcing them to push those revisionist agendas.

For me as an ex-GDRian it sounds all the same....maybe one of the reasons the AfD is so succesfull in the East, the "warnings" sounding so similiar to those that came from Honecker and his SED....who knows!


So? I had a time discovering my family history too....my Opa lost two toes in WWII...his brother was KIA...I even asked the "Kriegsgräberfürsorge" if they had found a trace of his in the mean time...does that mean I'm a Neo-Nazi?

Do you hear the Brits or the Russians discussing their many, many war crimes during WWII? No? All Nazis now?

That is very normal!

Do you think it is the same when the GDR propaganda called Adenauer a fascist and when the KZ Buchenwald bans Höcke due to his positions?


Which has nothing to do with what he did. Nobody is blamed for being interested in the history for his family.

His father was part of an illegal invasion whose regiment was directly involved in numerous war crimes. Many years ago I was in Crete and visited a museum which described what the Wehrmacht did there. That suffering the Germans inflicted there is the reason why we don't put the spotlight on the "performance" of the paratroopers there as he demands.

Do you really not understand why this is wrong?


Of course not. Or are they praising the combat performance of (literal) Nazis while downplaying or failing to mention the crimes of Nazis?

Yeah...quite! The Leftists most beloved enemy: the Nazi!

In the GDR, the capitalist West = Nazi

In the BRD, the nationalist opposition = Nazi

In Russia, the ukrainian gov in Kiev= Nazi

....it gets crazy and quite a bit boring! So, don't be surprised if that Nazi-warnings stop working!


Where exactly is the difference between that Lucassen guy and me? I also "failed to mention" the war crimes of my Opa's unit! I don't even know about them....his unit was never one of the "famous" ones...his job nothing much to write home about....am I a Nazi now?

Can we call it an "obsession"? Seeing Nazis everywhere? ;)

Ours hasn't.


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Oddly enough, none of the societies in Europe that are shaped by Socialism do that.

Don't confuse Socialism with distortions by central and eastern European gangsters. Just be happy that you don't have to pay money when you're ill, that you'll get benefits if you have to stop working and that your Trade Union (us uncouth Socialists) stopped you having to work 14 hour days.

BB, don't try to explain to commies/progressives what a practical application of their ideas means.
They will never believe you because their mental conditioning, which makes them Marxist, is preventing them from seeing what it is.
If you show countless examples of failed Marxist experiments on real people, they will counter with feeble excuses like, "Oh, but their economy wasn't modern enough, or they were just backward this or that =, or that because some people did it wrong."
They don't understand it in the way a normal person would - experiment was done on different races, people, cultures, and economies, and all proved without a doubt that Marxism is a totalitarian evil sh't.
They see it as - the other Marxist has done something wrong, but I and MINE people will get it right -0 because we are great and our egos are even greater, narcissistic' delusions nah - that fascist talk.

Because you are not socialist! Britain is far away from a socialist nightmare...you still enjoy the capitalist economy and its advantages!
You can see it also at these masses of immigrants....people soon try to run away from socialist rule, never towards to....

There just is no "socialist shaped" country in Europe western style! That experiment ended in '89....


Curious....modern socialists always say that! ;)


The power of their vision was the most strong at the beginning....but now, after so many fails, its getting weaker....even if the Left doesn't want to learn, mankind does.

Nope; it's closer to a Socialist paradise.

Remember, capitalism can exist in a mixed economy where Socialism holds sway. The key thing is that capitalists can't just do what they want since the people own the means of production and call the shots.


Most of ours fled third world countries with unrestrained capitalism.

That socialist "paradise" is the big error....there never was one, and there never will be!

All this equality-thingie is just inhuman....totally against human nature, hence never working out! In the end not all have more, but a few have all and the rest nothing!

Why do you never learn???


They wish, thats why they keep coming....


The only way the Left should exist is in the opposition....as Germany managed for a few decades. A conservative, pro-industry, pro free-market economy gov + a leftist opposition to point out the problems and smooth over the faultlines....that has worked out.

IMHO socialists should be kept out of ruling...that never works!

You're making a common mistake of central and Eastern Europeans. Absolutism.


I did. Via free compulsory education, a Socialist creation opposed by conservatives at the time and also via a first degree at one of the finest and best known universities in the world followed by a teaching diploma and a masters degree. All free (in fact they paid me), something which would not have happened under unrestrained capitalism.

I've also never paid a penny to a doctor, dentist or hospital. Or had to worry about what happens if I became too ill to work.

But hey, you're obviously cool about a guy you don't know and who would never let you in their home making more money out of your job than you are.

Yeah....maybe because that's where socialism always ends.

Again, what you enjoy is social democracy at most, kept in check mainly by conservative rightists....that works. It stops working when the conservatives are moving/being moved left and the socialists taking over...that's where we are now....the end of that left-moving would be Absolutism again, when it isn't stopped!

PS: Sometimes I think Mrs. Merkel was the revenge on the West for the end of the GDR aka "When we had to go down, you will too!"

...have to leave now, till later *waves* :)

Really? It never has with us, and we invented it.


You really aren't.

Now run along. Haven't you got an investor and some financiers to enrich by your labour?

hmmm dosn't really look it.

Manchester? A nice city. Have you spent much time there?

You'd like Chetham's and also the general atmosphere in Didabury village. Expensive though.

That name 'Paul Joseph Watson' rings a bell. Isn't he a far-right YouTuber notorious for fake news? Something to do with that Yank, Alex Jones who pretended that murdered children were 'crisis actors' and got his arse sued off by grieving parents.

Warning from Jon, is like enticing descent of Germans to do precisely the opposite, very similar to Golden Moron warnings about the dangers of association with
Honorable Trump