Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany?

No. My response was to the question as to why there are no talks about banning the Left party as well.

Whether or not the AfD will be banned is up to the Constitutional Court. That Court has set a precedent that for a party to be banned, it not only needs to work against the constitution, but also have the size to realistically realize those ambitions in the future.
That is why banning the Neonazi party NPD failed, they were simply not big enough to pose a threat, even though they spelt out their program very clearly (which included btw regaining the former Eastern territories from Poland).

They are officially open towards qualified migrants and migrants from other EU countries (provided they work). Trouble is, if you are an African doctor, you don't have your job written on your head for everyone to see 24/7. So you are naturally affected by the negative attitude that may have been created by the AfD. Which btw is why the allegation that the AfD is deliberately creating such an atmosphere with their rhetoric is quite relevant.

There are already reports that regions where the AfD is strong are having trouble finding skilled migrant workers. Because really, if you have thr skills to work everywhere, why would you go to a region in a foreign country where the AfD is strong of all places.

Desperation, so it's the strongest or the worst who go. Basically a self fulfilling prophecy that racists bring upon themselves.

Did AfD create that or did lazy and crime prone talahons create it?

x.com/RMXnews/status/1830926105517208041

What does that mean?

Here:
x.com/AndrewHammel1/status/1892166978229416072

x.com/AndrewHammel1/status/1875493503066661169

Read those (there will be a test) and get back to me....

Bonus:

x.com/LudwigReinthal1/status/1919321570536780135

I don't use twitter and you have to log in nowadays before you can see the stuff there.

Some individuals are sucked into crime, usually due to exclusion, inequality. peer pressure, desperation and lack of hope however this has always been the case in German and other cities.

In that case, they are normal people who have had enough of liberalism, progressive BS that affects them in their daily life.
Hence, because it is about colored foreigners that they are labeled racists.
Even if some of them are racists, I doubt that is their founding principle or official policy, or even a conviction of the majority.
It is a common trope of the progressive/Marxist goons' use, it is called reputation destruction by malicious manipulation, lies, and stories pulled out of the thin air.
It seems to be happening in Germany, the US, and Britain as well as in Poland - Marxist totalitarians without borders indeed.

However, they are not able to address the real issues of real people. They seem to be unable to do their job properly.

And some people choose crime.

Adversity doesn't create criminals.... character (or lack thereof) creates criminals.

Did the Nazis create antisemitism or did they amplify an already existing hostility towards jews?

Violence and hostility against refugees is hardly something that only came up as a reaction towards "Talahons".

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichtenhagen_riots

Nobody claims that the AfD created those resentment. What is being alleged is that they may be amplifying it.

I wonder if the new minister of the interior, Mr. Dobrindt, really gets it right this time....limiting the illegal immigration, putting the shackles on the criminals, at least he promised it!

If the new gov can really achieve a perceptible betterment, that might take the winds out of the AfD...even without a Verbot!

@Tacitus
But why would that not fall under "amplifying the resentment" also?

Somehow that always looks to me as if the AfD as the biggest political rival is forbidden to say or plan what the CDU would be allowed...

"Marxists" and "Fascists" really have become empty buzzwords nowadays.


Because the new government will presumably be careful to target actual criminals and not imply that all incoming refugees are criminals with their rhetoric?

In other words because progressive liberal elites are unable to act with integrity and do their job properly by not letting in illegal immigrants or to correct their mistake to deport them all and prioritize the safety and well-being of their citizens, said citizens vote for people who are willing to address the problem head-on.

By the way, shipping them to Poland won't work. Just wait, as that ginger F Tusk is going to jail for treason, and then Poland will send you all your doctors you are getting rid of in such a shady manner.

It's more that crime chooses them.


If only it were as simple as that. The causes of crime are myriad.

Of course defining crime is another question.


And this is sad, since fascism exists whatever people call it.

Should be interesting to see how Poland were to react if Merz actually orders that all refugee applications are to be rejected at the border and the people sent back to the safe country they came from.


As does Marxism. But I suspect few people who use that term know its' meaning.

It would require proof that they come from Poland. Not just a statement of the German officials. In the same token, Poland can send any colored foreigners who are Muslims to Germany, assuming they come from there.
By the way, you can get away with introducing border control with Poland due to that F Tusk German dog being in charge. Otherwise, it is against the EU law and Poland can close the border with Germany in response - see if your economy can take another hit.

Indeed, and the world would be a better place if people read and understood a certain short book that He wrote together with Engels. They don't even have to follow it slavishly as extremists do; just understand the bits about labour and expropriation.

Are you referring to a little red book? I didn't know you were going Chinese.lol
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By the way, the book you are referring to also teaches that Jews are vermin. Didn't know you are such an ardent anti-semitic Jon.

Usually sort of beige.


It doesn't. Don't lie.

That is really not an issue if they are caught crossing from Slubice to Frankfurt. We are not just talking about refugees from the Middle East or Africa here, but also possibly from Ukraine, which is really where most refugees come from nowadays.


So Merkel was right then in 2015 that closing the borders against the will of the Austrians would have been in violation of EU law? I thought that closing the borders was what PiS demanded back then? So surely they would not mind it if Germany finally does what they advocated all along?

I suppose it is easier to advocate closing the borders as long as you are not the ones being stuck with all the refugees then.

The truth comes out in spite of efforts to deny it. I remember all the articles talking about how smart Germany was for taking in the Class of 2015 and how they'd enrich Germany and lots of Germans talking about how this time they'd help them integrate.... and the results have been pretty much what I expected all along. A few random success stories against a larger background of failure and now they're being treated as hot potatoes - economic liabilities that get sloughed off on whatever sucker country will have them (still Germany by and large).

I'd argue the real lesson is that closing the borders is really not a good idea, because while it may reduce on some for some time, the countries benefiting from this may very well end up as the destination from the next refugee wave. It was easy for Poland to advocate closing the borders in 2015 since refugees were coming from the South. Who would have thought back then than millions of Ukrainians may one day be forced to flee. And who knows what else Putin has planned for the future.

Hopefully the new quota system will allow a fair distribution of refugees across the EU, thereby preventing some countries from being overwhelmed and allowing the integration efforts to be more succesful.

Why would you praise a book that inspired more deaths than Mein Kampf?

Many people are still reading the Bible and the Quran even though some of there verses were used to justify violence and punishments we today find wrong.

Like executing supposed practitioners of magic.

???

Some people always get the wrong end of the stick.


Good in theory, not so straightforward in practice. People will always head, legally or otherwise, for places where they can earn enough to send back. However much authorities try to spread people around, it never quite works.

Well....that so many people from all over the globe chose especially little, cold, dark Germany with it's impossible language has not so much to do with wanting to earn anything, they want to get to the free money! It has become wide spread knowledge that Germany shucks out its money quite generously over any door-knocker....illegal or not....alot more than any other country!

infomigrants.net/en/post/53009/germany-how-much-welfare-do-asylum-seekers-get-and-is-it-a-pull-factor

.....At initial reception centers

Asylum seekers receive accommodation, food, clothes, hygiene, limited healthcare as well as consumer and household goods directly at the initial reception center of the 16 federal states.
These 'basic benefits' (Grundleistungen) are provided as benefits in kind according to the Asylum Seekers' Benefits Act (Asylbewerberleistungsgesetz).
Additionally, asylum seekers in reception centers receive benefits to cover personal daily requirements ('pocket money') of around €150 per month in cash - if the "personal daily requirements" is fully paid as 'pocket money', it's €182 per month.

In some states, including Bavaria, asylum seekers also receive tickets for public transport as benefits in kind in return for less 'pocket money', according to the MSI.

That is the most important pull factor! If one gov would dare to cut that out at last we could end that discussion at once....ending the free money flow would end the moving of the masses into Germany immediately too....and we would not even need to build a border!

But now Germany has gone broke....maybe our infrastructure would look better today....our schools would look better....there would no poor retirees after a long life of hard work if we kept abit of all that welfare for ourselves?

There are legal limits to what extent those payments can be cut. Courts have made that abundantly clear.


Lets' be real here. Refugees have created a lot of expenses during the last few years, but the problems with e.g. our pension systems are a few magnitudes larger.

No other country goes to the same extremes! No other lawful, democratic country....not even our neighbours....not the EU....not Canada...not Australia....

Immigrants wander through lotsa peaceful, lawful countries coming to us, through our neighbours, because they know they only get here so much free money and support from the state...why have only we these laws?

Would that really be un-democratic and inhuman and Nazi to adapt our laws to end this pull factor?


Maybe so....but one can't help getting angry when learning that such a jobless newcomer gets exactly the same Bürgergeld as someone who has worked here hard for decades...that is just not fair....an easy point for any protester!

Our constitution and laws place a lot of importance on human dignity. Which is why leaving people to starve -whether they are refugees or Germans unwilling to work - is not something German courts go along easily.

Nobody has to starve....they would just go elsewhere....they wouldn't come here! That's the point....

Our law also says in summary that no asylum seeker crossing into german territory has any right of asylum since he already moved through
at least one peaceful, democratic, SAFE country!

Actually, following that law Germany doesn't has to take in ANYBODY coming here as we are surrounded by SAFE countries....but nobody seems to care about this law at all! Why is that?