Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany?

What's wrong with "neo-nazis" in your opinion?

Centrists.

Better than the right wing of course. I expect they'll be quite busy organising.

Still, the problem persists!

How to get these people back...their votes? Treating them and calling them as Neo-Nazis, showing them only contempt and disdain makes it very easy for the AfD! No hard work needed....

The problem of fascism and nationalism?

Yes, and education is the best way to tackle it.


Rising living standards generally helps.


That's what they are.

We had the same situation in Poland with the Civic Platform leaders showing open contempt for PiS and their voters (sometimes for a good reason) which only strengthened Kaczyński's party internally.

I suppose one way to deal with AfD would be for the winning party to form coalition with them--give them lucrative jobs, some extra funds "under the table", some state honours etc. etc. and they will quickly forget about their zeal and extremist views. Old trick.

Can somebody here act like an adult and explain what is wrong with AfD based on their agenda?

No adjectives, please.

I guess that's what will happen in a few years.....thats what happend already everywhere in Europe, Germany is only abit late with that.

Their main big point of discontent right now is that they are seen as Putin-supporter who would like to throw Ukraine to the wolves (the Left has the same problem)....if they would change that, they would gain alot more votes....lotsa more votes!

Yet they lost.

Better to laugh at them than attack them, as any PR person knows.


Bit an incredibly dangerous one and given that they're as extreme as it gets, not one acceptable to the general public.

For Europe, the fact that they are stuck with their idea of little, puny self-interest of particular countries, without any wider vision for the Union. You can agree with such approach but for the EU, the green revolution, closer cooperation or eventually even the United States of Europe, this would be the end. For Poland, the probability of them disregarding the interest of central Europe and trying to make deals with Russia over our heads is quite high.

As I said, give them some money, honours and power and they will fall in line like everyone else.


Not if we do it right. As BB said - it's already been done many times before.

Not generally with such extreme characters. Even the LPR and Samoobrona joining coalition was a disaster.

Relentless PR against them is a good approach. That and looking for as much dirt on the individuals in the party as possible. It wont make that much difference in teg east however it will prevent them gaining support in the larger west germany.

That or rebuild the "Anti Fascist Protection Barrier" again. Pretty well as soon as the wall came down, West Germans were joking that they'd need to rebuild it to this time keep the fascists in rather than out.

They did that since the beginning....first with mocking (as they only had a few percent)....then later, as they grew, with painting apocalyptic pictures, calling and treating them like Nazis....and even totally ignoring them....till up to try to ban them!

...nothing worked!

There is actually only the one way Torqi mentioned left...

They've barely started.

Dogging as much dirt as possible, and rigorously prosecuting any crimes by them is a good tactic too.

Do you think its good or bad that they've got some votes this time?

Depends on the outcome....if that leads to a "healthy shock" and the main parties react and change accordingly, they might have their use!

Shocks are rarely healthy and it is always better to do the business of government smoothly.

Germany does have stability, and probably won't end up im the same mess as America (firing over 100,000 middle class professionals -what could possibly go wrong...) however there is also of course a history of instability too.

I th8 k you would prefer boring and somewhat unsatisfactory with a lacklustre economy to another Stunde Null.

Can somebody here explain what AfD wants that is bad for the lower 80% of white native Germans whose parents and grandparents were born Germans?

I don't want any shlt about Europe, respect, solidarity, freedom and democracy...


What can go wrong?

It looks like almost the entire DDR voted for AfD...



... and most immigrants probably went to the richer lands in the West, so the extremist vote is - as it is often the case - caused more by economic circumstances than by anything else.

The generational bonding with the old western parties like CDU and SPD is understandably lacking in the East. Comparable has been only the PDS, growing out of the old eastern communist party SED and its leftovers....

Now the (funnily) western AfD is growing into that void, becoming an eastern party....and the longer she exists, the stronger the bond grows!

Interesting is also that many immigrants voted for the AfD, the "old" ones....the ones living and working here for decades already. Many of them see the masses of newcomers also critical.

I 💗 Hamburg. Finally elections in which AFD got only 7%. As a reminder, last week AFD got as much as 70% of the votes in some regions in the "former" GDR.

This means that decent Germans from the West need to still educate those Nazi and communist offspring in the East of Germany. 30 years after the fall of the Wall wasn`t enough to reverse their brainwashing which has lasted since 1930s.

....nah....it's the same as in Berlin, or Bremen....

It's a few main cities with LOTSA outsiders streaming into and voting there. You can say that falsifies every election!

So make them insiders.


Ery good. It's a shame they got as much as that.

For me, 7% is little consolation. It could have been much worse. People are desperate and politically misguided.

And very easily to manipulate. Especially Homo Sovieticus in east Germany.

Don't worry BB, the real fascists today are liberals and left.

Certainly, but if you look at the numbers, in the last Bundestag elections AFD received "only" 2.8 million votes in eastern Germany and "as many as" 7.9 million votes in western Germany. So it is the West Germans who are responsible for the AFD's great success in these elections.

Rightist PiS have no shame and they openly collude with pro Russian parties in other European countries. They also support pro Russian candidates for presidential positions in other countries. Most recently, in Romania. Can you believe those traitors were born and raised in Poland???? Tfu!!!

PIS Mateusz Morawiecki supported George Simion in the elections for the president of Romania. He is the leader of the openly pro-Russian and anti-European party AUR - emphasized Prime Minister Donald Tusk on social media.
The head of government's post is a reaction to Morawiecki's Friday support for Romanian politician George Simion in the local presidential elections.

"Morawiecki in Bucharest supported George Simion in the elections for the president of Romania. He is the leader of the openly pro-Russian and anti-European AUR party. Romania is a key partner in the defense of the eastern border of the EU and NATO. They don't even pretend anymore," the head of government wrote on X.

I heard that PiS voted in the European Parliament against a common European defense policy. And this despite the fact that in practice the Union would finance a large part of defense projects on Polish soil. Have they lost common sense?

I bet it is the question of the communication....they don't want to be ordered around in German! :)

Why would they be?

.....at least we won't force them to drive on the wrong side! :)

*runs*