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New Polish tax system hits the ground stumbling...


mafketis 34 | 12,194
14 Jan 2022 #1
Polski Ład (usually translated Polish Deal*) which was intended to be centerpiece legislation by the ruling party (Pis) for the next election has already run into problems with mass confusion on taxes, many people receiving lower wages than expected and a totally unprepared bureaucracy.

The government suggested people consult their local tax offices (which had not been sufficiently prepared) and went into damage control mode by temporarily halting some VAT taxes.

Also, true to form they partially blame their problems on their favorite scapegoat Donald Tusk who has not held office in Poland over six years. This has not stopped state run media from blaming problems on the "podatek tuskowy"

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/poland-to-slash-levies-to-curb-inflation-and-ire-over-tax-revamp

*Polish order seems to be a better translation but Polish Deal, perhaps an echo of the New Deal is far more often used and may be the official translation...
Atch 17 | 4,043
14 Jan 2022 #2
This is one of the reasons I weep into my breakfast porridge when I hear people like our recent poster MacAindreas talking about raising their children in Poland because it's 'better'. It's not only the mess with taxes. What about the rises in electricity and gas - a 50% increase in gas bills for households. Poland is absolutely going to hell in a handcart under PIS.
OP mafketis 34 | 12,194
14 Jan 2022 #3
Poland is absolutely going to hell in a handcart under PIS

They're crappy managers and administrators.... and that comes from the top (JK is mentally still trapped in the PRL and always will be and those under him replicate the key PRL features of patronage, corruption, incompetence and avoiding responsibility).
cms neuf - | 2,060
14 Jan 2022 #4
This shows them at their worst - no consultation with business, ignored the questions of accountants, rushed through parliament and now subject to quick amendments which will just create the kind of loopholes that Poles love

Even worse is their anti inflation drive - a painkiller not a cure but one that will dramatically increase the deficit. Proper Gierek stuff
PolAmKrakow 2 | 2,465
14 Jan 2022 #5
And now they cut energy costs for business. Nothing for people.
pawian 189 | 18,876
20 Jan 2022 #6
legislation by the ruling party (Pis) has already run into problems

That wonderfully shows the mental capacities of the ruling rightists. They are not only too stupid to create and successfully implement such an instrinsic project on their own. What is worse, they are also stupid not asking non-PiS experts to participate in the process. And in result, depending only on themselves, they produce such legal monsters. Frankenstein monsters.

Rightists` rule means disaster. for Poland. Pity coz it could be a wonderful country one day. PiS is taking us back by decades, directly to the misery of communist times. .
PolAmKrakow 2 | 2,465
20 Jan 2022 #7
@pawian
The far left is no better than PiS. Utopian existence will never happen and it will definitely never happen with forced multiculturalism, forced acceptance of gays, or forced acceptance of anything. Culturally, Poland was never designed to be multicultural outside of accepting multiple religious views. Yes there are still anti Jews everywhere, and that is something that wont go away in most places in Poland. But they will accept a Jew before a Muslim any day.
pawian 189 | 18,876
20 Jan 2022 #8
The far left is no better than PiS.

Of course. The golden means is always in the middle. :):) That`s been my motto since my childhood.

forced multiculturalism, forced acceptance of gays,

Ooops, I thought we were talking about the new tax system or economy in general in this thread. It seems you are being carried away a little.... :):):):) Relax.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 2,465
20 Jan 2022 #9
@pawian
It is also the forced acceptance of incompetence and propaganda wielding that will never be accepted. Better?
pawian 189 | 18,876
20 Jan 2022 #10
Better?

Unfortunately, not. :):) You are speaking riddles enwrapped in enigma now. What do you mean by forced acceptance of incompetence and propaganda wielding? How does it relate to the failure of the newly designed and introduced tax system?
MacAindreas 1 | 12
22 Jan 2022 #11
Poland because it's 'better'

I'm not sure I ever said it was better. I said that I thought we could have a better quality of life. There are not many places I would rank as better countries than the UK but it depends on what criteria you use to rate better. It has many things going for it, but in England at least many people don't recognise their country any more from where it was in the 90's. As you rightly pointed out Atch it's all relative to personal circumstances.

The energy inflation is a global issue. We are facing similar hikes here and our government has refused to cut VAT. If you think Poland has the only corrupt or inept government in Europe, turn on the BBC once and a while I'm sure we can give Poland a run for its money.

BTW here is a vid I found when I was doing some research. Puts a positive spin on Warsaw right now

youtu.be/6tFTqHFF8HU
PolAmKrakow 2 | 2,465
22 Jan 2022 #12
The bottom line is you can not tax your way out of trouble. The US also needs to learn this. The Polish scheme was created by incompetent people put into office by people who if they were more competent would not need all the social welfare programs.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,603
22 Jan 2022 #13
Polski Ład

It is a joke. They should be kicked out for making that bill.
pawian 189 | 18,876
22 Jan 2022 #14
It is a joke.

Like everything what they promised. The only promise they kept was sozialist benefits. But one doesn`t need to be an intellectual to give out money for free so they didn`t do anything special.


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