Polish Diaspora - many of these 20 million actually speak Polish?

Wow this is quite possibly the stupidest argument I have ever read on this forum. Banana republics as so called because they are dictatorships propped up by foreign interests, such as the Dole fruit company, they are not true republics. Delphiandomine do you even think that one single person reading this forum would be stupid enough to believe that since banana "republics" have the word "republic" in their name that it follows that I am citing them as the proper model for Poland? You really do not have any self-respect do you?

No, because from where I'm from (Aberdeen) - Gaelic was never really spoken. It was always Lallands Scots - which I do speak ;)


I dunno, from what everyone tells me, if you can't enjoy Mickiewicz et al in the native language, you can't "get" what it is to be Polish.

(dreadful though, being born in a country to people from that country, yet not being able to speak the lingo...)

You mention France and talk about "true Republics". You might just want to start with the little issue of the ending of the 4th/beginning of the 5th Republic there.

Oh, and by the way - we never elected someone who lost the popular vote. When you want to talk about republics - try looking at your own failings first, eh?

there are nutters everywhere :-) like those t!ts that say you can only enjoy nietzsche in the original German and look where that got us

Haha, well, I agree - but I'm not Polish ;)

It probably is true to a certain extent - for instance, how often do Poles end up upsetting Brits by simply saying something in the wrong way, even though they'd have no hope of knowing the right way? Quite often, I think...

Delphiadomine is a very angry Russian-Scot.

He got into hating Polish people, especially the Polish diaspora, after the Polish people (many in the Polish diaspora), questioned Russia's honesty in its reporting of the Smolensk crash.

I don't know the history of the English-Only movement but I think it all started in the 1800's. Have you heard of how Native American children were taken from their homes, forced to attend school, and forced to speak English only? They were punished for speaking their languages. It was an order from the government. That's just one example.

Although laws or rules like that can't control what happens in the home, some parents did fail to teach Polish to their children so that they would prosper in America. In some cases, kids didn't want to speak Polish in order to fit in with the other kids. And then, of course, when they got older they regretted it but it was too late.

No, thats the ONLY example......

Then I guess it must have been my imagination when it became the rule in Los Angeles some years ago that children could only speak English in schools. Things may have changed since then.

But it's not an example which in any way, shape or form supports blaming governments past for a lack of Polish fluency among polonia.

Were Polish children taken from their homes and forced to speak only English?



these are more than likely the main reasons.

Merged: Polish Diaspora (Polonia Population estimates)

1. USA: 10,000,000 (Many in Chicago)
2. Germany: 3,000,000
3. Brazil: 2,500,000 (Mostly in Parana and Espirito Santo, Curitiba)
4. France: 1,000,000 (Especially in Lille and Paris)
5. Canada: 850,000 (300,000 Poles in Greater Toronto Area; 85,000 Polish speakers in Toronto/62,000 immigrants)
6. UK: 600,000-1,000,000
7. Argentina: 500,000
8. Belurus: 400,000 (300,000 in Grodno)
9. Russia: 300,000
10. Lithuania: 235,000
11. Australia: 180,000
12. Ukraine: 144,000
13. Netherlands: 135,000
14. Ireland: 123,000
15. Kazahkstan: 70,000
16. Latvia: 70,000
17. Czech: 52,000
18. Spain: 50,000
19. Italy: 50,000
20. Greece: 50,000
21. Chile: 45,000
22. Denmark: 40,000
23. Sweden: 40,000
24. Hungary: 10,000
25. Iceland: 10,000
26. Uruguay: 30,000 (Montevideo)
27. South Africa: 30,000
28. Norway: 20,000
+ Others

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Total = 20,000,000+

Any links to the source of this information?

No mention of Kenya/East Africa? There was migration there after the War.

Ryszard Kapuscinski writes about having run into Poles in Africa - including Zanzibar.

it's actually over 11 million, however many of them are Polish nationals who've immigrated from say, the 2nd polish republic, eg. Ukrainians, Belorussians and Jews who've held Polish passports at the time.

and I'm not sure whether or not that takes into account the thousands of illegals from Poland living mostly in the north (especially in New Jersey, Chicago and New York)

so the exact number of ethnic Poles in the US is highly debated.


at least half of them or more are Jewish (again, Polish nationals).

What's interesting is that I remember reading about a year ago how there were somewhere around 1.5-1.8 million 'Poles' living in Israel, and that statistic suddenly vanished from most online sources now (including wikipedia)..

Sure.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_diaspora
polishmarketplace.com/Toronto/Toronto-main.htm

There was others as well. Might post if I find them.


Ive heard claims of 10-20 million.
Do you have a source?

Additionally many Jews identify themselves as Jewish. I believe there is 6.5 million Jews in USA.
I think its safe to assume many of those are part of this figure.

The Brazilian information you posted makes sense.

It all comes down to what we define as ethnic, nationalist, etc. Numbers would vary because of various reasons like genetics, self identity, Poland's border changes, etc.

Maybe they mean somehow they have Polish "Slavic" blood whether 100 or 25 or something else?


I saw no mention. Also, I included countries which had 10,000 or more. Maybe there is less than 10,000 in Kenya?

I think 20 million is a conservative estimate for the Polish diaspora.

If you include, people who are 1/4 or 1/8 Polish, it would be much higher then 20 million.

Also, many ethnic Poles immigrating to America from 1795-1917 when Poland was occupied by Austria, Germany and Russia, were required to identify themselves as "Austrians", "Germans" and "Russians" since these countries controlled Poland from 1795-1917. So there are a lot of "undercover ethnic Poles" in America that aren't identified as being of Polish ancestry.

The question is whether or not people identify as being part of the Polish Diaspora, speak(at least some of) the language and retain cultural or community links - only then are they part of it.

Hi
Amazingly, after months of searching all the normal internet channels, I cannot ascertain the route of the historic 1948 voyage of the Empire Windrush. My particular interest is how and where the 60 or so Polish displaced persons got on board. I have read Merida in Mexico but cannot confirm it. Most sites say it was on the way back from Australia, others say it was a specific voyage to and from the Caribbean.

I would be most grateful if you can help me over this matter, which has already defeated many 'experts'.
Thanking you in anticipation.

From the 2,5 Million Poles in Brazil, i think that around 10 to 15% actually speaks polish. From all my Pole-Brazilian friends, just 1 speak it.


Australized Poland???

Means that we will have Kangaroos and Koalas in Poznan?

How far your imagination can go Crow... it ever surprises me.

don`t pull my words out of context. So, speaking about moral and cultural values, Polish diaspora needs to support authentic Slaveno-Polish things.

Polish diaspora deserve more rights. Plus, more obligations.