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Der Spiegel: "Poles are now the masters of Europe"

4 eigner 2 | 831
25 May 2012 #31
I know, its hard saving up for a 42" plasma TV and PS3. The cost of Games and Blu-Rays are extortionate. sing%20prices%20in%20P&tok=iVBTPGxDCdIAhJumNHCYMg&cp=23&gs_id=2t&xhr=t &q=rising%20prices%20in%20Poland&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=rising+prices+ in+Poland&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.os b&fp=b81a72ba78e8176e&biw=1024&bih=649

go through the links and you'll see that TVs, PS3s, Blue-Rays etc. are not the biggest concern for people in Poland.
gdyniaguy 1 | 281
25 May 2012 #32
go through the links and you'll see that TVs, PS3s, Blue-Rays etc. are not the biggest concern for people in Poland

4 eigner

Dont waste your time on Peter. He'll probably now throw doubt on your economics and maths skills and give you a piece of Polish government propaganda to backup his claims.

If he lived in Poland he'd know differently.
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,437
29 May 2012 #33
Here's the entire article in English ..
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
29 May 2012 #34
That's a classy looking stadium! Very nice!
21 Feb 2014 #36
Do you seriously believe those lies? Poland is a hellhole, grayish and dirty full of people with an inferiority complex who like to imagine the utopia of Poland achieving something in the world, since Poland has never and will never achieve anything. Poland is a geographic failure.

I have an idea - come to Krakow, meet me and say it directly to my face. Propably you will forget any word in your mouth. Your knowledge is zero about real Poles. Who do you know? Dirty uneducated workers from villages complaining a lot? Poland it is a country with great history and culture with many well educated, nice people...You can find dumbs in every country.
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544
22 Feb 2014 #37
To anybody who doubts the veracity of the SPIEGEL article (which I've yet to read, by the way), I suggest they check out the news clipping "Kraków: Cud nad Wisłą" from several years back and to which I've aluded on previous occasions right here on PF. It's also available in English (Cracow: Miracle on the Vistula) and shows the amazing resilience of this once proud capital city.

The Cracovians can really pat themselves on the back!
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
22 Feb 2014 #38
Yeah - Krakow's Air Quality Among the Worst in the World
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544
22 Feb 2014 #39
I never suggested they were perfect, but cut 'em some slack for heaven's sake! Come to think of it, how's the air in Wrocław?

pawian 176 | 13,997
6 Jan 2021 #40
the promised land, clean, efficient and focused on the future "- writes the weekly.

Ha! Wonderful times they were. Now, after two terms of PiS in power, we are going to start anew and rebuild for decades.
Crow 146 | 8,806
6 Jan 2021 #41
Masters of Europe? my ass! Poland is and remains a FAILED STATE

Not necessarily. In truth, Poland is conceptionally similar to Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia but, much older conglomerate. The problem of Poland is that country now deviating from its original concept and that is Sarmatism.

With Sarmatism Poland have a chance. It's the only cohesive force that may keep united Polani, Kashubs, Silesians, and other kin within Poland.

Then we make the Central European Union.
pawian 176 | 13,997
7 Jan 2021 #42
Crow, you quoted a poster named pawian6661. I need to explain that it wasn`t me, just another impostor.
Crow 146 | 8,806
7 Jan 2021 #43
Oh, never mind my dear professor. The show goes on.
Vlad1234 16 | 754
8 Jan 2021 #44
the authoritarian-ruled and plagued by human rights violations of Ukraine. "Exemplary student and a naughty boy" - he writes, "Spiegel" of the two countries.

Interesting, what could be the origins of this difference? Could it be, for example, that genetics between two nations is so different? If yes, why?
GefreiterKania 3 | 39
8 Jan 2021 #45
It's definitely not genetics - Poles and Ukrainians are both Slavic nations. The explanation lays in different kinds of civilisation in Poland and Ukraine.

Poland is a Latin civilisation country (like Italy or France, for example) whilst Ukraine (apart, and only to some extent, from its western part that used to be Polish) has been under the influence of Turanic Russian civilisation for so long that the corruption and disregard for citizens' rights took very deep roots in Ukrainian society. This is a very basic civilisational knowledge, quite obvious for people familiar with major types of civilisation in Europe (Latin, Byzantine, Turanian).
Ironside 50 | 10,810
8 Jan 2021 #46
at could be the origins of this difference?

A culture and a moral backbone.
Crow 146 | 8,806
8 Jan 2021 #47
Poland is a Latin civilisation country (like Italy or France, for example)

Let's not insult Poland.

Turanic Russian civilisation

Let's not insult Russia.
Ironside 50 | 10,810
8 Jan 2021 #48
Let's not insult Poland.

Let's not insult Russia.

Let insult Serbia nd Serbians!
Crow 146 | 8,806
8 Jan 2021 #49
If you must.

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