Polish constitution supersede the EU treaties and regulations

Exactly. And it more than amply "provides otherwise", as you were told in post #29.


Well over 100,000 in all the streets around, many of which are far from 'narrow'.

And no matter how much you hate it, there are just going to be more and more Polish pro-democracy protests.

...as opposed to pro-tyranny?

You're not very capable of understanding a written text, are you? Do you think that if you provide some ambiguous statement like "more than amply" it will do? :-)


This means "Constitution is the supreme law in Poland" and unless the Constitution, not the external political treaties or regulations, says otherwise it should be applied directly. All other regulations are of lesser importance than the constitution by default.

Mr. Tusk knows that and that's why he wants to change the Polish constitution to include the EU in it and make Poland a vassal state*

*wydarzenia.interia.pl/kraj/news-donald-tusk-chce-zmienic-konstytucje-apeluje-do-jaroslawa-ka,nId,5490087

But, by all means, feel free to read the full text of the constitution and quote me the paragraphs that cede the supreme power from the constitution to the EU or any other external political power. Quote me relevant paragraphs from the constitution or go to a Random thread to discuss weather...

Evidently rather better than you.

Just to remind you (it's one of the more nuanced bits, so ask someone intelligent to help you):

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Art 91. §1]

Yes, a "ratified international agreement shall constitute the part of the domestic legal order" as long as it doesn't contradict nor stand against the constitution of Poland because:


To put it simply: the constitution is the most important law and all other legal agreements are of lesser importance. Those international agreements are being respected as long as they don't defy the paragraphs of the constitution (which is a supreme law of Poland...)

For example:

Article 10, §2 states:

"executive power shall be vested in the President of the Republic of Poland and the Council of
Ministers and the judicial power shall be vested in courts and tribunals"

Poland as a member of the EU [international agreement] takes into account the EU law [as a lesser form of law than Polish constitution], however, when the EU beaurocrats are trying to usurp itself more powers that were given to them by treaties and especially to usurp the powers that are limited to Polish constitution only (which is a supreme law o Poland...) the government shall stop it and show them their place.

Did I mention that the constitution is the supreme law of Poland?


I like it. Not only I'm not against the right to protest but I'm also even more against pandemic paranoia and gathering like that helps a lot to fight it. I just don't like those lies about the number of protesters who show up.

Talk about obtuse!

You were shown the text, and predictably you tried to relativise it.

And of course your straw-clutching attempt to relativise it is wrong...

Spike, I feel your pain...

Not only Polish, the same goes for Germany, France, Italy and Greece and then some.
Somehow the EU wise men decided that only Poland is not allowed to do what most of other EU countries has had done already.
Are they hoping for Polexit?

Their tolerance is proportional to the number of Muslim refugees, abortions, and gay adoptions. To them, Poland is hell.

That's pretty well the opposite of the truth.


Nobody is.

In alternate English, not a single person. Not even one.

Not many, at any rate. Not even Sasin.

That's infinity times more and more realistic. Getting better...

Nobody sane, anyway...

Of course it is a lie.


No, you are. :)

Arnaud Montebourg, another French presidential candidate after Eric Zemmour and Marine Le Pen, has supported Poland in the clash with the EU over the supremacy of the national constitution over EU treaties. He wants to do the same in France.

What's interesting, Arnaud Montebourg is far from the right-wing of French politics and on the opposite side to Eric Zemmour.

"I have no sympathy for the Polish government, but it is ultimately the democratic decision of the Poles to choose the government they want"

"I believe that the affirmation of a Constitution must be superior, in the degree it wishes, to the decisions which are taken by the European Union. (...) "the fact that a Member State wishes to reaffirm the supremacy of its national law seems to me to be the path that France must take ".

europe1.fr/politique/pologne-la-relation-de-lue-avec-la-democratie-est-problematique-denonce-montebourg-4070789

Why should we care what some unimportant populist foreign politician says?


Certainly not under his presidency. Currently the support for him is around a few %.

@Spike31

This is the problem with The EU.
In their attempt to create a homogenous EU they are.running roughshod like a tank.over national and cultural opinions.
The EU will.fail.
Not soon, but in time.....

...using the old and proven fascist one size must fit all technique.

That's largely down to the French, who believe their own system is perfect and practically worship homogeneity.

Not one but 3 of them, and from a different political backgrounds.

Not unimportant ones but presidential candidates designated by their political parties.

And not from some small, politically isolated country but from France. The EU cannot exist without France in any serious form or shape since Gemany, France and Benelux provide a structure for this corrupted beaurocratic left-leaning institution.


Sure, who even heard about Brexit anyway?

Exactly, including the two far-right 'populists' Zemmour and Le Pen. Sh1t stirrers the pair of them (though if Zemmour stands, at least he'll split the far-right vote). Montebourg is a bit of a character too.

At least Zemmour isn't part of any political party.

Britain only left bc they were a net payer. No EU country will leave as long as it's a net recipient. And the Germs will never tighten the spigots for Polant coz their highest and the most solemn goal is to preserve EU unity.

This entire charade will end only with a currency or budget crisis when Germoney won't be afford to feed their own army of turk gibs AND everyone else too anymore. As soon as that happens (and with inflation getting out of hand currently it might be sooner than we think) the EU is dead within 2 years.

Again, no. There were many reasons that people voted the way they did, and it's worth remembering that the vote was very close. It is a divisive issue.


Very unlikely.

And it's worth remembering that Poland has a very high level of support for membership. Even the PiSuarzy were surprised at how totally wrongfooted they were by the response to their bolky lolky.

I have thought they left because they hate foreginers and the EU rules meant they couldn't stop them from coming.

Less so than in most places.

Do you agree with me or not?

Of course not 'guest poster'; since it is not a country of haters.

Migration was a factor that played its part for some though not for others. The reasons for the (very slim) majority in favour are complex. In Poland however, there is a huge majority in favour of EU membership.

It has been qestioned. The way pooling has been done affect it result.


Let agree to disagree 'jon357'.

So has everything. That doesn't mean it has been answered.


Always, however the results of (different) polls are all consistently very high.