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Andrzej Lepper committed suicide


JonnyM 11 | 2,611
5 Aug 2011 #31
Tusk's government....is better?

The voters of Poland certainly think so.
rybnik 18 | 1,454
6 Aug 2011 #32
good or bad, he provided entertainment at times with is inappropriate behaviour

I'm sorry but his behavior was most inappropriate for a politician and it's because of "folksy" characters like he most of the world still considers Polish politics as backwood. manure-slinging affairs. He was an embarrassment his entertainment value notwithstanding.
gumishu 13 | 6,138
6 Aug 2011 #33
Blether. I'd rather live in 'boring' times than 'interesting' ones. Populist-nationalists are the last thing Poland needs

the amount of hypocrisy in the parliament has not decreased (I think even contrary) - malintent omnipresent- if this is peaceful 'boring times' then what kind of storm are we up to

I'm sorry but his behavior was most inappropriate for a politician and it's because of "folksy" characters like he most of the world still considers Polish politics as backwood. manure-slinging affairs. He was an embarrassment his entertainment value notwithstanding.

embarassment to whom - remember rybnik that anything you say you are mostly talking about yourself - I have never felt embarassed by Lepper personally - I do sometimes feel embarassed by drunken or mad behaviour of Poles though (if it takes place abroad) not exactly politicians- and finally Poland IS a backwood - why should we have some European politics here (who needs this PC stuff - it creates more problems than it solves (does it solve any problems actually)
JonnyM 11 | 2,611
6 Aug 2011 #34
why should we have some European politics here (who needs this PC stuff

What is 'PC' about European politics?
Malopolanin 3 | 133
6 Aug 2011 #35
[quote=Malopolanin]Tusk's government....is better?

The voters of Poland certainly think so.[/quote]
Just like in Germany before WW2.

I do sometimes feel embarassed by drunken or mad behaviour of Poles

Kwaśniewski in Charków.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
6 Aug 2011 #36
Just like in Germany before WW2.

Last time I checked, PO didn't have paramilitaries on the streets intimidating people, nor did they take advantage of a gullible and senile President in order to seize power.

I don't even want to imagine what would it be like under PiS-LPR-Samoobrona.

No harm of that - the people of Poland only elected them when the times were good and - crucially - people believed that Kaczynski was a serious 'centre' candidate.
gumishu 13 | 6,138
6 Aug 2011 #37
Just like in Germany before WW2.

Last time I checked, PO didn't have paramilitaries on the streets intimidating people, nor did they take advantage of a gullible and senile President in order to seize power.

but you would agree with minister Sikorski that Poland and especially PiS is riddled with Breivik-like figures ???
convex 20 | 3,928
6 Aug 2011 #38
What does rhetoric (coming from all sides mind you) have to do with police and PO men with fierce looking dogs imprisoning, beating up, and killing PiS voters?

Anyway, back to Lepdawg, I used to enjoy telling people in the student bars that he was by far the best politician for Poland. Such angry people...
gumishu 13 | 6,138
6 Aug 2011 #39
What does rhetoric (coming from all sides mind you) have to do with police and PO men with fierce looking dogs imprisoning, beating up, and killing PiS voters?

well as for imprisoning - people got imprisoned for bearing transparents reading 'Tusk matole, twój rząd obalą kibole' ('Tusk you idiot...) - somehow the police know who should they go after

Just like in Germany before WW2.

Last time I checked, PO didn't have paramilitaries on the streets intimidating people, nor did they take advantage of a gullible and senile President in order to seize power.

maybe Malopolanin just meant that Polish voters can be wrong as to PO govrnance as Germans were regarding the benificiency of the Nazi regime
convex 20 | 3,928
6 Aug 2011 #40
well as for imprisoning - people got imprisoned for bearing transparents reading 'Tusk matole, twój rząd obalą kibole' ('Tusk you idiot...) - somehow the police know who should they go after

Like that homeless guy that got tossed in jail for saying that Poland under Lech and Jaroslaw was turning into a dictatorship?
gumishu 13 | 6,138
6 Aug 2011 #41
not tossed to jail just taken to 'izba wytrzeźwień', a drunk guy who verbally abused policemen calling them 'kmioty Kaczyńskiego' I doubt the thought that Kaczyński is imposing some dictatorship ever crossed his mind (too complex??) - btw Poland was not turning in any dictatorship back then (if you disagree name those serious or even less serious things that imply it was)

"You buddies of Kaczynski ... " - this phrase and other earthy curses of the Kaczynski brothers Hubert H. homeless greeted police officers when an ID at the Central Station in Warsaw. For malediction " ducks " was the first in Poland accused of insulting President Lech Kaczynski. For insulting the head of state threatens to three years incarceration .

December 30, 31 -year-old homeless Hubert H. from Leszno was drunk ( 2 per mille of alcohol) . Hot-blooded Wielkopolska stopped and was rushed to the emergency room drunk tank . - Police officers who questioned the Hubert H., acted in accordance with law. Duly fulfilled their obligations - says Waldemar Płoński of the Central police station .

Ironside 53 | 12,423
6 Aug 2011 #42
Like that homeless guy that got tossed in jail for saying that Poland under Lech and Jaroslaw was turning into a dictatorship?

go and kiss his ass if you really believe that .....
delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
6 Aug 2011 #43
but you would agree with minister Sikorski that Poland and especially PiS is riddled with Breivik-like figures ???

No, in all honesty - it isn't.

The guys who might fall for such nonsense don't have the money to do it - thankfully.

As for PiS? I've always thought that the majority of PiS supporters are simply socialists who oppose PO on ideological grounds. Certainly the rhetoric that comes out of Solidarity these days is nothing but socialism - likewise, many PiS supporters want a nice strong welfare state which protects them.

It doesn't surprise me, for instance, that many university professors back PiS. Not because they believe in them, but because PO are a huge threat to some very comfortable existences.
rybnik 18 | 1,454
6 Aug 2011 #44
did he leave behind a note?
JonnyM 11 | 2,611
6 Aug 2011 #45
Apparently not, though there are no signs of a struggle or anything untoward and his aides confirmed he has serious debt problems.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
6 Aug 2011 #46
his aides confirmed he has serious debt problems.

Jonny, really... ;)

Isn't it the case in Poland that the spouse is equally liable for debt problems?

If so...even worse on the poor lady :(
legend 3 | 659
7 Aug 2011 #47
some of the responses here are disgusting. sorry for the lose.
ukpolska
7 Aug 2011 #48
Really...!!!

Well maybe he affected more people here in Poland than he did a person in Mississauga, Canada - just saying...
southern 74 | 7,074
7 Aug 2011 #49
Andrzej Lepper committed suicide

Maybe his wife asked for a promotion.
noreenb 7 | 554
7 Aug 2011 #50
A person who commits suicide usually leaves a letter. His son is ill.
He knew many secrets, not only about CIA prisons.
I suspect he was killed.
WielkiPolak 56 | 1,007
7 Aug 2011 #51
Agreed I also doubt that he just ended his life. Not only was there no letter, it just does not seem his style to do that. He does not seem like the 'give up when life gets too difficult' type of guy. He is more of a fighter, some would call it 'upartosc.'
JonnyM 11 | 2,611
7 Aug 2011 #52
It was in character. He was an unstable individual with problems. Added to that, he wasn't capable of keeping secrets.
NomadatNet 1 | 457
7 Aug 2011 #53
he wasn't capable of keeping secrets.

Perhaps, he knew some more important things than he spoke already. and his loose lips might have feared someones.

Anyway, without knowing anything, I can say that whenever a politican kills himself/herself, I always doubt. Politicans usually can find somethings to challenge, to stick the life, not to kill themselves. This is one of main characters of politicans.
gumishu 13 | 6,138
7 Aug 2011 #54
today's news show plenty of people who doubt Lepper really committed suicide
BBman - | 343
7 Aug 2011 #55
I briefly spoke with a friend from Poland about lepper. He told me that lepper was in serious debt. Apparently he bought some kind of farm and a house. The mortgage was in some foreign currency but recently the value of that currency vs the zloty did not go in his favour. Now i guess his wife has to deal with this, quite a cowardly move. RIP, anyway.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
7 Aug 2011 #56
He knew many secrets, not only about CIA prisons.

You honestly think Kaczynski would tell him anything worth knowing?

Lepper knew nothing, and if he did, he would've shouted about it from the rooftops. He was a populist, not a guy who was going to keep things to himself. Don't you think that if he knew stuff, he would tell everyone in order to make people think "Hey, what a good guy, he finds out stuff and tells everyone"?

today's news show plenty of people who doubt Lepper really committed suicide

Crazy, and shameful that they won't let him rest in peace.
JonnyM 11 | 2,611
7 Aug 2011 #57
Lepper knew nothing, and if he did, he would've shouted about it from the rooftops. He was a populist, not a guy who was going to keep things to himself.

Exactly. Like the uranium thing that he shoujted from the rooftops and various packs of lies over the years.

If Lepper had known anything worth telling nobody would have believed him, like the boy who cried wolf.

Crazy, and shameful that they won't let him rest in peace.

Par for the course unfortunately.
gumishu 13 | 6,138
7 Aug 2011 #58
today's news show plenty of people who doubt Lepper really committed suicide

Crazy, and shameful that they won't let him rest in peace.

it's his former colaborators mostly (Maksymiuk, Tymochowicz and other)
NomadatNet 1 | 457
7 Aug 2011 #59
He knew many secrets, not only about CIA prisons.

For example, MI6 prisons too in Europe (maybe, in Poland too?), revealed just a day ago or two at Guardian.co?
Seanus 15 | 19,672
7 Aug 2011 #60
If that info was really that confidential then he would have been killed long before. It's not the reason. Has Assange been killed yet? Nope!


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