Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up

It used to have. The fact is, in liberal society it is impossible to have good schools.


What's really amusing is that the *only* reason most men seek careers is to sustain a family. Why the fu*k would anybody willingly spend a lifetime at the service of some sh!tty corporate hierarchy, braking your balls to make somebody else rich, just for the satisfaction of it? It's nonsense. The reason men do all the work is because they have to, yet, Feminism has somehow convinced women that being the breadwinner was something fun and "fulfilling" which men wanted to hoard for themselves while jealously keeping women out of it.

why do single men work?

No men goes to work because they are trying to seek "self-fulfillment", or whatever.

Really depends. Firemen, doctors, comedians, musicians, etc.
Again, you're generalizing. And that can't be a good argument.

No. A duty is one thing. But self fulfillment thingy sounds like an absurd for any man and it's besides the point really.

What's important is the role of the sexes within the institution of the family, which is the building block of civilization, and the family must be invariably male dominated in order to assure it's primary function.

One reason for this is that males are basically selfless within the context of a larger group. For a male, the group comes first, and his worth as an individual is measured by his sense of duty towards said group. Women on the other end are inherently selfish. The individual comes first, and what's good for the self defines everything.

The second important factor is that only male dominated families can work towards the disciplining of other males. Feminists always say that patriarchal families are a tool of female oppression, but the truth is that primary concern of a male dominated household is the rearing of male children towards a duty oriented model. Female dominated households are only concerned with what's good for the mother, which means children, particularly male children are allowed to indulge in their own impulses, which leads to unruly and defiant behavior.

I'll let you explain this to all the working, independent women (yes, they exist).
I see so many families, where the mother works, and everything looks fine. Isn't that what we commonly call a counterexample?
Honestly, even if that was true (that requires a lot of effort from me), we are so far past this stage now (where men dominate everything, and women just have to submit), good luck with changing this.

Talking about how a civilization should be, in Ancien Egypt, women were quite independent, and this was one of the most brilliant civilizations ever.


Even tho many of them, males, are all about money and power. Much more than women.


Who, apart from Schopenhauer and Weininger, said that?



How about a subtle, smart role sharing? Daddy does what a daddy has to do, mummy does what a mummy has to do.

LOL!!!

I don't get it why you guys even discuss with kondzior, he's completely bonkers xD


You mean... like... partnership?? Be careful, Polson, such a wild, incomprehensible idea may short circuit kondzior's brain ;)

That is very telling. So, Kondzior does not know anyone that gets a real satisfaction from their chosen profession.


Also, he believes that women, the nurturing sex, are inherently selfish.

Very sad.

no, they work to support themselves or their families.
just like women have to, whether still with their husbands or not.

I'm lying down and sipping wine while having my feet rubbed by a very lucky reformed feminist. Now, where's my Cohiba?


.....and eventually turns into vinegar.
The bacteria mycoderma aceti causes feminization, I mean fermentation in wine. The great philosopher Jack Nicholson put it succinctly.......
youtube.com/watch?v=wse_hgca220

Good for you, but what about my impression that you're being a hypocrite?
Do you agree with kondzior's views on women?


You mean this Jack Nicholson?:




Quotes from: dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1350653/Jack-Nicholson-I-used-feel-irresistible-women-Not-more.html

So, Zimmy, do you identify yourself with that character played by Jack Nicholson? Do you hate women and think they have no reason and accountability?

He is clearly a disturbed individual unable to maintain a lasting relationship with a woman.

That man is cursed with sex appeal which he'll probably retain 'till he's 100 years old. Leave Jack alone! :)

Generally speaking he is correct. If you want a specific answer then ask me a specific question.
I've challenged f2, Englishman, and others at various times to answer several of my inquiries and they have failed because they could not respond logically to (my) points made. My links were unassailable and hateful quotes from feminist leaders are there to bewilder even the most staunch feminist.


I thought his comment in that movie was profound.
As to why Mr. Nicholson is a bit, shall we say, 'off center', perhaps this article helps clear it up.
todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/11/jack-nicholsons-supposed-sister-was-actually-his-mother


Your question presupposes something which is not true so it cannot be answered. As to women lacking "reason", I've often noted that so many rely on emotion, not logic. In fact, many feminists have written that logic is sexist. The same goes for "accountability" or the lack of it. Even in business, too many women (not all) rely on their sexuality instead of skill. It doesn't have to be overt but as you 'gals' know, subtle sexuality is something women throw out with great frequency.

Clementine Ford, an Australian feminist, is fired up about women getting more "recognition". But how is that different from racism? She sees herself not as an individual, but as a member of a valued group. In her Fascist mind, people are divided into two groups: Men (evil) and women (virtuous): Not all that different from Hitler. Men by contrast don't think of themselves as primarily "men". They think of themselves in much less broad categories. My most common self-description, for instance, is "a born academic". It never occurs to me to mention that I am a male.

And this refusal to treat people as just people, but instead obsessing over what lies between their legs, is irritating. Feminist assertion tends to produce a backlash. Mostly men just shake their heads at it but, given anonymity, they may say what they really think of it and of the shrews who utter it. Many people object to racism. It is equally reasonable to object to feminism

pcwatch.blogspot.com

true, it would appear that way.


Very true. Feminists act as though being born with a vagina is some accomplishment in and of itself.


Preach on brother!...preach on.

@ Zimmy, you ask why I haven't responded to the various extreme statements made by feminists that you've provided links to on this site. The reason is straightforward: I have pointed out that there are a huge number of people who call themselves feminists, and they don't all agree about everything. The cases you've highlighted are extreme, and most feminists do not agree with the views expressed. Also, bear on mind that the media tend to focus on these examples and as a result feminism is sometimes stigmatised, to the extent that some women are uncomfortable with the feminist label, even though they are strong advocates for gender equality.

Yes, the pseudofeminists do say that. Another funny thing pseudofeminists say is that multiple choice exams are sexist because men are more willing to take risks...

Anyway, a fine line needs to be drawn between feminism and pseudofeminism. The latter unfortunately sheds a negative light on the feminist movement. Feminists need to take more initiative to criticize the pseudofeminists. Especially those particular idiots that blame white Christian men for helping to oppress "poor Muslims" by supporting Israel's right to exist.

Why do you soft pedal this? Those people I've quoted "who call themselves feminists" as you put it were and continue to be the leaders of feminism. They carry the agenda in their works and their deeds. I've quoted the biggest leader of all in Gloria Steinem. I've quoted feminist icon Betty Friedan. I've quoted a feminist dean of a university. I've quoted feminist best selling authors, etc. They set the feminist agenda and are not women who merely "call themselves feminists".


Yes indeed, the media focuses on feminist leaders who set the feminist agenda with their words and deeds. (sic). Many womens studies programs create bitter women with their skewed prejudicial presentations. These young female mushy minds become caged intellectually and emotionally and this is the society feminist leaders want.

Feminists should be aware of the dangers of educating women as warned by the BBC:

youtube.com/watch?v=QnFvbOwToxA

Wow... OK...
Well, at least you're honest...
A male chauvinist, but an honest one lol


Kondzior's views on women - I guess that's rather specific... We all know more or less what those views are. I compared his attitude towards women to that of a Nazi towards Jews. You want me to give specific quotes? Digging through all those piles of crap would take some time. I'm not sure if I want to waste my eyes and life on this, tbh.

How about this particular view, kondzior's gem, for the beginning - women shouldn't have the right to vote.
Do you agree?


Either that, or they, just like me, knew it would be only a waste of time...


If they are even close to what kondzior writes about women then they would sure bewilder me. Because kondzior's comments bewilder me every time (not only those about women, btw). I've never met such a sexist guy neither in real life in Poland nor on the Polish internet.


What was so profound about it?


What do you mean by "off center"?
And what this article is supposed to clear up?


Eh... What? Sorry, but I'm not a native speaker of English. Why don't you put it for me in simple English? :)
1. Do you hate women? (yes/no)
2. Do you think women have no reason? (yes/no)
3. Do you think women have no accountability? (yes/no)


Really? What do you mean by that? Any examples?


I somehow doubt that. But even if, then it would mean some feminists are as crazy as kondzior is.


Doesn't "accountability" mean "responsibility"?


Really? No, we "gals" don't know, Zimmy. I guess we live in some different worlds.
If it isn't overt, then how do you know that it's intentional?
Do you think women lack skills and that is why they "rely on their sexuality"? Or maybe they don't lack skills but for some reason choose to "rely on their sexuality"?

And what does it have to do with accountability?


No, it isn't. It's as if you wrote that it was equally reasonable to object to African-American Civil Rights Movement. Now, you might have not liked groups like the Black Panthers, but objecting to African-American Civil Rights Movement in general would mean objecting to what Martin Luther King was advocating.

Every movement has it's radicals. Racism, on the other hand, is about hate and discrimination by default. There are no good and bad racists. Do you understand?


Some feminists.
And may I add that some men act as though being born with a penis is some accomplishment in and of itself and what's more, they even claim women envy them their penises which is beyond funny (and shows how obsessed they are with their reproductive organ ;)) and that all women want their "sting" lol


LOL
That was funny, thanks, blue ;)


No, of course he doesn't hate women. He just thinks they're inferior to men :)


I can tell that you did. It shows...
But why did you hate women? (All of them? lol) And why did you stop hating them?

Yeah, great. Let's talk about Kondzior's views. And let's delete any post when he is trying set the record stright. Feminist Marxism in a nutshell.

its funny why feminazis dont fight for parytet in lowest skilled jobs such as a bin collector where 85%-100% of the workers are male :-)

as the old saying goes, feminism ends when there is a wardrobe that needs to be moved ... or an empty seat in a bus.
Femijists need a called shower, they need to understand the border beteeen equality and discriminatiin.

You misunderstood, I used to think Zimmy was a misogynist, I've come to realize I was wrong -an experience I'm sure you've never had as a feminist.


Why don't you ask him?

It's obvious Paulina that as a feminist, you either hate men or simply consider us disposable to your needs as a woman. You don't understand us and think you're better than us. You disgust me.

i agree with the f4.
thats the feminazis psychology though, they dont want equal rights!
they want to be in power, they want to discriminate males.
thats their goal.
by the way is their a term for man haters??

Kondzior, as far as I can see since you've got back from suspension no posts of yours were deleted.


Ah, right, OK, sorry, I misunderstood... I actually thought you've decided to be honest about your attitude towards women.


Do you honestly think feminists never realize they were wrong about something, or are you just trying to be spiteful? :)
Since the beginning when I started reading this forum I considered Zimmy completely obsessed with women, it was almost all that he was writing about here, he seemed clearly prejudiced. Then in this thread he started to claim that he has only a problem with feminists hating men, etc. and I almost believed him and only because of that I started discussing with him. But if he shares kondzior's views, there's simply no point, I guess.


I did, indirectly. I asked him whether he agrees with kondzior's views on women. Zimmy wrote about kondzior that "Generally speaking he is correct". That pretty much settles it.


Foreigner4, show me any of my comments that would prove that :) You won't find any.
There are plenty of kondzior's comments in this thread, however, that prove my point.


lol OK...
Why do I disgust you? Because I think women and men should have equal rights and shouldn't be discriminated because of their sex? And what kondzior writes doesn't disgust you at all? Interesting...


Goofy, as always, you know everything best ;)


"Female chauvinists" :) Not "feminists" :)

You know, Foreigner4, I don't usually call or consider myself "a feminist", sure I want to have equal rights with everybody, who wouldn't want to have that. And of course I want women around the world, in Muslim countries, in Africa, in India, in China to enjoy the rights I have. I don't read any "feminist books" and I'm not aware of any "feminist leaders", I also don't go to any "feminist manifestations" (it's called "manifa" in Poland).

I'm just a woman who wants women to have equal rights and opportunities. Plenty of men want that to.
All people who want that are basically feminists.
I don't understand what's wrong with that.

+1

Foreigner4, Zimmy, Kondzior and others, you surely can't disagree with these principles, can you? Or do you seriously think women are inferior and should be oppressed?

As Paulina says, plenty of men want equality for women. In fact, I'd suggest it's impossible to be a straight man with any kind of feelings for women without wanting it. How can you profess to love someone while also looking down on her or wanting her to be without rights or respect?

The funniest thing about tis thread is that there's 2 sides; those that are arguing for equality and those who reject it.
It's highly probable that those guys who clearly think woman are sub-human and don't deserve equality, had they been born grils instaed of boys, would be 'feminists' themselves - man-hating feminists xD

I'm not sure whether it's due to lack of intelligence or maturity, but some little boys out there need to do some growing up :)

Including the right to work in a colliery or sewer, as a deep-sea fisherperson, bin collector and street sweeper? Total parity would have to apply to all fiields of endeavour. Somehow feminists want the cushy, well-paid, managerial or otherwise prestigious posts and are happy to leave the hard, dirty and dangerous jobs to men. Is that equality?

And if there is to be equal pay for equal job performance in any field, what is to be done about maternity? Must the employer bear the entire brunt of that situation, be caught short-handed and/or have to dismiss a freshly trained replacement after the mother returns to her job?

It's easy to bandy slogans such a 'equality' and 'parity' about, but what about their practical implementation?

+2


I think you've hit the nail on the head. Any guy (straight or otherwise) who loves and respects the fairer sex could never begrudge them their basic human rights of equality.