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Primary Education in Poland - Changes Made to Homework?


gumishu  16 | 6182
29 Apr 2024   #1
Question to the forum members and frequenters. What is your opinion on the changes made to homework for kids in primary education in Poland
Ironside  50 | 12333
29 Apr 2024   #2
It's nonsense and pointless at that. Some radical lefties were in charge and were enabled by Tusk to experiment on children.
Atch  21 | 4149
29 Apr 2024   #3
Think it's a very bad idea. A no homework or limited homework policy can and does work but only if the national curriculum is designed to support it and teachers are properly trained in how to deliver such a curriculum. It requires major educational reform and would take years to implement properly.

If they really wanted to quickly reduce the burden of homework (which I agree is excessive in Poland) they should have looked at what material they could trim from the present curriculum or what kinds of homework could be reduced in volume rather than simply eliminating it completely.

It was just a vote-catching exercise with no real thought behind it.
OP gumishu  16 | 6182
29 Apr 2024   #4
It was just a vote-catching exercise with no real thought behind it.

how do you reconcile that with a positive outlook on the so called "democratic block" - or maybe you have changed your mind on their "competency" and "anti-populism" -

btw you were critical of the discontinuing of the Polish "gimanzja" (middle schools?) back then - do you think that move by PiS was populistic?
Atch  21 | 4149
29 Apr 2024   #5
how do you reconcile that

I've often said that they're all as bad as each other in their different ways. I'd rather see PO at the helm than PIS for various reasons but that doesn't mean that PO are universally wonderful by any means. In any case your main problem now is that you have a coalition which is made up of too many parties, a bit of a 'galimatias' in my opinion.

do you think that move by PiS was populistic?

Politics in Poland are populist by nature. It's not a mature democracy and parties are desperate both to gain power and hold it. They'll do whatever they think it takes to achieve that.

What are your own views on the homework thing?
Novichok  4 | 7809
29 Apr 2024   #6
What are your own views on the homework thing?

Homework should be voluntary where abortion on demand is available. My brain, my decision...The basic right to stay stupid should be honored.
Alien  23 | 5540
29 Apr 2024   #7
basic right to stay stupid should be honored

Well, that's real freedom. Nothing but admiration.
jon357  72 | 22979
29 Apr 2024   #8
Unfortunately the system in Poland was so run down by the PiS administration that many kids don't get a full school day.
OP gumishu  16 | 6182
29 Apr 2024   #9
What are your own views on the homework thing?

I am all for homework in the boundaries of sense and reason (so that kids don't spend 3 hours at home just doing homework or that that really difficult homework should be optional granting good marks to the pupils who do it (althouth there is a risk of interference of adults in the process of doing such homework))
jon357  72 | 22979
29 Apr 2024   #10
homework in the boundaries of sense and reason

It hasn't been banned you know. Kids are still free to study after school. Those with more chaotic family lives will however be less likely to fall behind by not doing it.
OP gumishu  16 | 6182
29 Apr 2024   #11
Those with more chaotic family lives

skills should be tested - within a 45 minute unit with 2-6 units per week how many kids can be tested in the class? - hence homework and in-class tests - having said that I can say that Polish kids could use a lot less history and geography lessons (especially history as tought here teaches the wrong lessons)
jon357  72 | 22979
29 Apr 2024   #12
how many kids can be tested in the class?

All of them.

homework

Tests at home aren't tests.
OP gumishu  16 | 6182
30 Apr 2024   #13
Tests at home aren't tests.

they are tests if the teacher takes time to check if the homework is done

also don't acquire a skill by simple looking (a lot of the time - I certainly didn't) - you need some training and this is what homework is for (unless parents are stupid enough to do their child's homework instead of the child)
jon357  72 | 22979
30 Apr 2024   #14
if the teacher takes time

One thing they don't have.

acquire a skill by simple looking (a lot of the time - I certainly didn't)

Same here, however that's the reality of a lot of kids' lives. Kids have different levels of intelligence, different sorts of family and so many distractions. Homework certainly has value however not as a key component of a curriculum. We have to deal with the way things actually are rather than the way we think they would be in an ideal parallel world.

unless parents are stupid enough to do their child's homework instead of the child

That is far more common than you'd think. Of course plenty of parents equally couldn't care less if their kids did homework or not.
Novichok  4 | 7809
30 Apr 2024   #15
In the US, grading, homework, and math are racist. Poland should do the same considering how many blacks are already there...


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