Long story short: I come from Sweden and I am tired of this rotten society, for many reasons. This whole multi-culture circus being one of the biggest reasons to why I am leaving. I am a male in my 20's and I've got experience from low status jobs like call centers and construction sites.
I am very conservative and I dont wish to live in a multi-culture slum anymore, therefor I have been looking towards Poland. I used to have eyes for England, but seeing as that nation is overpopulated and their job market is very tough - I guess my chances there arent very good. My main objective is to get a call center job in either Poland, England or Ireland - with swedish as my "expertis", since I am a native Swede. Being uneducated, that's what I have to offer, my language. I dont speak polish, but I have started to learn it a few weeks ago (I know, it will take years). Why I am thinking about Poland is because they seem to be family oriented and old-fashioned, just like me. And their country have yet not been destroyed by this multi-culture crap.
So, to my questions: ¤ Would a move to Poland fit me better than Ireland and England? Or is it too hard for a foreign person to rent a flat, get around on buses and so on?
¤ I have been to England many times before and it's a sad look, just like Sweden. It's a bigger chance of me getting a flat there, than here in Sweden, though. Which is on the plus side, but comparred to Poland I dont know - flat-wise.
In general, if you were in my position - would you go to either Poland, England or Ireland? Right now it leans toward Poland, but I would appreciate some advice from a polish person or somebody who have lived in Poland. I wish to not get respons from americans who have never lived in Poland.
If I have put my thread in the wrong forum section I appologize and would appreciate if a moderator could put it in the right section. Cheers!
Poland is definitely headed in the multi-cultural direction. I'm sure you'll find more modest cities where there won't be much diversity but since you're looking for a call center job I imagine you will need to look for a more metropolitan city. I have two friends who have Polish backgrounds, speak it well as well as English and they enjoy their lives and are glad they moved. One went to Wrocław, the other to Warszawa.
I'm a bit sad to hear that Poland is going to that direction aswell. I kinda knew it, but I'm hoping it wont be as bad there as in the rest of Europe during my lifetime. Or my future kids lifetime.. You're right, call center jobs are probably only in the big cities. But I guess I gotta start somewhere and when I got a foot in the society I could maybe move to a smaller village.
Cheers for your answer!
*EDIT* Hmm, It didnt quote your post for some reason..
Working in a call centre in Poland you will never earn enough money to own a flat; you'll struggle hard to even pay rent on a tiny little box in a rubbish neighbourhood.
Go to Russia: racists are welcomed there with open arms.
Go to Russia: racists are welcomed there with open arms.
Wow, just for wanting to live in a place where more traditional settings makes him a racist? You're a little too quick on the trigger. Is the African who leaves America to go back to his ppl a racist? Too many double standards nowadays. Just because you're white doesn't mean you have to welcome multiculturalism with open arms; and labeling someone racist for it shows the degree of your maturity.
I'm not racist but I no longer consider multiculturalism to be viable. I am not alone. BBC TV poll (not verified, votes may not have been unique) 95% don't think multiculturism is working
If your biggest gripe is multiculturalism, then you would be moving to the wrong country I'm afraid. The UK is very multicultural and it seems very strange to me that you would want to move to a country which has in your eyes the same problems as Sweden, just so you can live in a flat.
Bear in mind that here in the UK flats are expensive to rent. Call centre jobs would probably pay minimum wage which is £6.50 an hour. You might get a bit more on construction sites.
At least half your wages will be gone on rent and council tax if you can find a cheap flat or studio ( depending on whereabouts in England you live ), and that's before you have paid fuel bills and bought food.
I would not advise you moving here if you really don't want to mix with people from different countries, you will find it pretty much unavoidable unless you want to live in some village in the back of beyond.
This is such an Ironic thread.... Someone from Sweden wants to move to another coutry to get away from the Multi-Culture in his home country. But surely by moving to another country you would be making that country more Multi-Cultural?
InWroclaw - two of the "sources" you have provided are right wing papers, no matter the facts they would have came to the conclusion this is bad. To even think that 95% of the UK think it isn't working is laughable. Yes there is a proportion of the UK that think this but it is nowhere like the level you are tyring to indicate...
Don't you have smaller towns in Sweden with less foreigners? Somewhere in more remote regions? As for Poland then we don't have many foreigners, but we don't have high salaries, so most of Call Center jobs don't pay much. But you are Swedish native speaker, so perhaps you can find something paying 1000eur net. As people noticed your comparison Poland vs UK is ridicules. Completely different countries. I wonder why you're not considering warmer regions of Europe.
But surely by moving to another country you would be making that country more Multi-Cultural?
I guess that multi-cultural means in reality not European culture.
As for Poland then we don't have many foreigners, but we don't have high salaries, so most of Call Center jobs don't pay much.
Not really. People from smaller villages rush to the cities to get jobs. Up north they are closing the mines etc, just like they did in England in the 80's (I think it was).
Nah, my comparison is not ridicules, in fact, I dont compare them at all. I like England and their people, but I dont like their immigration politics. And in all honesty I just want to get out of here. I spoke to another swedish guy who used to live in Poland and he said Swedes get a bit more in salary on call centers. Not many swedes wish to move down to Poland, so I guess the demand is a little bit higher..
Thanks for all the comments, even the clowns who called me a racist. :)
No, I am not a racist. And no, it has nothing to do with race. It seems like you dont understand the word multiculturalism. I know it is important for you to chase racists and point fingers at anyone who isnt politically correct - but in this case you are in deep water. No one have mentioned dark skin or white people, only YOU. So to me it only looks like you are the ignorant racist who thinks about peoples skin colour, rather than culture, traditions, religion and mentality.
I have never ever said I want to leave a place because I dont want to be near a certain race, thats what YOU have said about me. You are a false, ignorant and unintelligent muppet. You give nothing to this thread, so please leave your stupid assumptions somewhere else.
It seems like you dont understand the word multiculturalism.
You want to leave Sweden because Finnish culture has forced saunas on everybody and now people think of saunas when they think of Sweden? Or is it those Germanic maypoles that have you yearning for life outside Sweden?
What's to function? You seem to think that Poland isn't getting more multi-cultural by the day: you are wrong, it is. I see people who don't have white skin pretty much every single day. My local newsagent sells newspapers (newspapers, not magazines) in Polish, English, Russian, German and Vietnamese. The crowd in my favourite cheap local restaurant is usually mainly non-white. The current trendy food is hummus and Indian restaurants are one of the fastest growing types of restaurant. Poland is not the mono-culture; it never was.
If you want mono-culture, look elsewhere; although by moving to a culture which is not your own, you'll be contributing to what you see as the problem of multi-culturalism, won't you?
Thurneman. The eastern part of Poland, where I live, would be best for you. Most people are white (well, kind of pink), and there are plenty of white supremacists in Białystok, so you'd make friends easily.
@Thurneman I think it'll be best if you found an area in Sweden that suits you. Chances are that the "multiculture" stuff you're thinking up isn't strewn all over Sweden...Poland is getting by day more foreigners, especially in big cities where you'll find the kind of job you're looking for. You're looking for old-fashioned people, but the world is changing at a fast pace, change along to keep up or just vanish.
look in Poland landlords and employers will not welcome you because you are white, you will just be treated like another bloody foreigner. At least you come from somewhere that welcomes strangers. You may not be a failure but you are very naive.
@bond unfortunately such a place doesnt exist here anymore. Believe me I have tried.
Nobody said I would be treated differently because I'm white. It's all in your head.
At least you come from somewhere that welcomes strangers.
And? That comment really contribute to the topic, lol!
So first you tried to label me as a racist, that didn't work. After that you tried to accuse me of being a failure who dont have a home in his own country. That didn't work either. So now you are trying to label me as "very naive" instead.
Nobody said I would be treated differently because I'm white.
In Poland you'll be treated differently because you aren't Polish. More often you'll be treated worse because you aren't Polish. I doubt that your less than forward-thinking views and your vastly inaccurate view of Poland will help you be treated better by the vast majority of Poles.
Please everyone calm down and keep to the topic to avoid suspensions.
I am not sure what kind of experience you have made Harry, but i have found the Poles to be very welcoming towards foreigners, specially towards westeners. You have to remember however, that what goes around comes around. Having observed your beahviour in this forum, I am not surprised that you feel "mistreated" by the Poles.......
I AM A FOREIGNER LIVING IN POLAND.... ALL MY LIFE I HAVE TRAVELED AND NEVER SPENT MORE THEN A FEW YEARS IN ANY PLACE SO I AM VERYYYYYYYYYYY USED TO MULTICULTURALISM. I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT IT.
BUT SINCE I AM LIVING IN POLAND I AM DIPRESSED, IT'S VERY POLISH COUNTRY WITH VERY VERY FEW FOREIGNERS AND THAT'S VERY BORING FOR ME...SO I GUESS THIS COUNTRY WILL SUIT YOU (FOR SHORT TIME, SOON YOU WILL DISCOVER NEGATIVE SIDES OF POLISH).
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