Don't Forget: Tomorrow, March 8 is Women's Day in Poland!

Thank you for speaking for me although you are wrong as usual. I realize that my comments are a threat to your small fishbowl understanding of the world. Just for the record, my worldly experience is empirical and observational.


It is noticeable that you are unable to specifically list one lie. You merely generalize because that's your comfort level. Everything I've noted; the wage gap; domestic violence, tv commercials, etc happen to be factual and I've backed them up but I'm not the only one. Objective researchers have also; so have people who actually know how to overview the human condition. I'm sorry that you 'feel' so threatened by true facts.


You must be referring to the "Spearhead" which has an outstanding forum. I admit it's not for those who prefer to exist in their small fishbowls usually consisting of 'feelings' and not facts. It is interesting that you visit so called anti feminist forums as you call them. Perhaps a better description for these outlets would be pro male forums. A couple of years ago I quoted from feminist forums which are truly hateful by any standards but then, facts bounce off of you.


Yes, that's what the communists and socialists thought too - that's why they started it :)

P.S. Here we have some people who instead of attempting to point out where my information is in error (which they cannot) instead attack me on a personal basis. This forum has to do with "womens day" and by extension "womens month" which is March. My discussions started when I corrected a poster with facts. Facts are troublesome things so in juvenile fashion the typical responses opposing me became personal as seen by the quotes above and elsewhere. There is no real discourse about the information I've presented. I call that small fishbowl thinking, actually, it's fishbowl feeling since facts are ignored.

Most people are capable of adjusting their biased opinions when they objectively look up information and shed their prejudices. Some learn reality empirically, that is by just living life. That is why I am hopeful in the long run of things. Everyone, have a Happy Women's Month.

Oh really? Sorry, I think I was just being ironic.


That's it? That's the kind of 'disgraceful' advantages western women have? That's what you're fighting so hard? Good for you. I would agree with you on this one, and I actually met quite a few women who would pay their part, in restaurants or elsewhere. No big deal.


Well, easy for men like you to disagree with such a program. You will probably never accidentally get pregnant. That's a problem you will never have to face. And that's a big one.

I'm actually still wondering what happened in your life for you to be such a fierce anti-women (not exactly the word, but hey).
Did your ex-wife left with your kids and money?
Did you try to take advantage of one of your female colleagues and lost the trial?

Anyway, you can call me kid or stupid or any other nice words you'll find, you won't convince me that men are the poor ones, and women the lucky ones. Sorry.

You once again miss the big picture. That's why I frequently refer to fishbowl thinking. If you ever adopt the concept of overviewing than the rest will come more naturally to you. You see the tree but not the forest.


True, there are some women who put their money where their mouth is but they are the minority especially in expensive restaurants. I consider it a good date when I weed out women who talk "equality" but don't back it up with deeds.


I probably won't, "accidentally" or otherwise. lol


No it isn't. It might cost about $9 a month and young feminist college women want to get contraceptives (thru Obamacare) for free. Somehow, this 'small' issue became a "war on women". and received much media attention. The much larger issue which was totally ignored was that Obamacare creates 3 new health offices for women and none for men. The 2 scenarios cannot remotely be compared as the real war seems to be on men who do not quality for even one special governmental health department. Not very objective is it?


Your premise is wrong therefore I cannot respond to it. I'm not anti woman. Pointing out the myriad of hypocrisies makes me pro human and not anti anything. Of course you need to swim in a larger fishbowl to comprehend that.


Wow, you have to think really hard and do some mental backflips to come up with that one. It did make me laugh though. But try to stick with what you know and what is discussed. Pulling out some made-up scenario is no way to go through life, son.


I know I won't but perhaps in time life will. I don't state that women are the "lucky ones" only that the double standards favor them. I've met enough honest women who admit that. They are the ones who have the pleasure of my company :)

Your comments and hitherto responses to those comments are condescending and jejune. And just for the record, "worldly experience" is by definition not "empirical". You hate women. We get it. What is it about us you hate so much that you won't leave the subject alone? We don't agree with you. Nary a one nor a whit.

Then help me. Tell me something that women have, and men don't. Something serious.


That's probably because of all the 'being a gentleman' thing we're raised with. Not saying it's always justified, but don't blame women for that, it's a man thing.


That's what I thought too ;)


So that's $108 a year. Women have to pay to avoid pregnancy, when men can just run away and pretend they were not here.
I guess very few men have to give birth and raise a kid alone because the girl didn't give a heck and decided to disappear.

Not saying women are the good ones and men the bad ones, but these things are quite common in our western societies.


Sorry, forgot my swimsuit ;)


I did that right at least ;)


Nice girls.


Nice AND brave ;)

It's a man's world and women have to adapt to 'survive'. They have to be 'men' to succeed as men would.
Pregnancy is a big problem when it comes to their career. They have to decide what they want: a good career or a family.
Men don't have such problems. They can have both good careers AND kids.

As to housework, women still spend much more time on it than men. I'm French so I'll talk about what I know (and you'll be happy to hear that).

In France, in 2010, women spend on average 3h52 daily on housework, when men spend 2h24. And it can get worse when there's a child.

About 80% of the housework is done by women.

Women are paid between 10% and 30% less than men, for the very same position and qualifications. And it's usually harder for them to find a job.

They are still much more discriminated than men, at work and anywhere else.

Now if 'she' doesn't want to pay the bill in an expensive restaurant, then take her to McDonald's ;)

Hi everybody. I came here for recipes a while ago and stuck around to learn more about Poland. This is the first time I've heard that there's a Women's day and month. I celebrated by wearing perfume and shaving my legs. Then I vacuumed and took out the trash. It's been such a blast! I guess women's day was kind of a gip without a man to recognize how nice it is to have me around. I don't think it would be the same to get that recognition from another woman.

Zimmy, I don't think 3 new women's health offices should equate to a war on men. Creating something for women doesn't mean that anyone wants men to suffer or die. There are many health clinics for men in the U.S. and I don't think they're closing or that healthcare for men has been more negatively affected by the changes, has it? That's a genuine question, not rhetorical or sarcastic. As far as birth control goes, I would think that men would like women to have easier access to it since this means less of a chance they will become fathers when they don't want to or that a one-night stand will demand child support. That is an area where I think men are treated unfairly by the legal system. Child support doesn't seem very well-regulated here and I've personally witnessed several cases where the mother was abusing the system. That doesn't mean ALL women are like this, though. I do see some good points about the wage gap and some jobs men tend to do more than women.

I've also noticed the way men are portrayed in commercials, but it seems a moot point because I'm not sure how much that has to do with advertisers capitalizing off radical feminist social attitudes or how much is genuine hatred of men. We can easily call tit for tat as women are marginalized by the entertainment industry as well. I never see commercials for cleaning products aimed at men. I hardly ever see products being advertised with the naked bodies of men draped across billboards, which is really unfortunate. Maybe I wouldn't mind so much being surrounded by T 'n A sometimes if there were ever a counterbalance. I never see beer commercials aimed at women. If I believed car commercials I would think women never purchase cars, let alone drive them. I also don't like those jewelry commercials that make us look like a bunch of gold-digging shallow *&%!@^ (rhymes with boars) around Christmas and Valentine's Day. So . . . maybe commercials aren't the best example to discuss the exclusive misrepresentation of men. Advertisers manipulate human desire for a living which puts them somewhere between lawyers and South American dictators on a moral scale.

Also, maybe you should try first dates that don't involve meals. First dates could be going to a museum, art gallery, or just for tea/coffee. Then you can decide if there'll be a nice meal on another date. You'll also have the chance to say beforehand that you'd rather go Dutch. If you avoid dates that involve discussion of divisive issues over expensive meals with no prior discussion of payment arrangements, your dates might end on better notes and sifting through love interests wouldn't be so expensive or time-consuming.

Many women and men work hard for their loved ones. If you think there should be an official day/month for men to be appreciated then try to make it happen. I'd rather have a Men's Day than get rid of Women's Day. I'm sure there are people who observe it better than I did and I don't want to ruin their fun or pass up a small chance to stimulate the economy.

I don't think Zimny hates women, he was right in a way and wrong as well, I think you are a little judgemental. Feminism has done great things for women but certain strands of feminism have spoiled it all and many women, genuine feminists do not want to associate with those so called "feminists", precisely because they appear to hate men; those women are then no different to men who hate women.

Another thing is that you can not tell people here to leave the forum, that is not your right to do and besides that, we are having a discussion, we do not have to all agree, that is what discussion is about, it seems like you only fancy a discussion where everyone agrees with you. You are too aggressive for no reason, just relax a bit.

Source ? I see it quoted quite often but never seen any statistics behind it. Have you ever seen it in practice ? In Poland a situation when a man makes more money working for instance as a junior market research specialist than a woman working as a junior market research specialist just because he is a man, is totally impossible, unacceptable and illegal.

there already is.....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Men's_Day

Neither do I.
I think that he is right in those posts of his I have read. What is so offensive in his way that so many posters jump on him? Certain aloofness he display towards others posters?

His views? He has a right to his views and opinions.


Well Polson I have no beef with you so do not mean to offend you. However I must say that you seems to be a someone who would rather react than think for himself.


exactly G, our Polson reads too many women magazines sorry even there they wouldn't spread such crappy lies, that must be feminist websites. I just wonder whether Polson is there in order to get laid or he is she in the real life.

These two sentences are incongruously stated. If you have in actuality read his posts and NOT been offended, then I would paint you with the same misogynistic brush. Women and men are not equal holders of power, and to equivocate the small differences where it "appears" women have an advantage is puerile and offensive. Not because I'm overly-sensitive or indoctrinated, but because I was born to a woman, am married to a woman, and have a little girl as my child. If I were to say I am satisfied with the level of fairness, resources, and opportunities afforded them, that would be a disservice to them, and make less of a man out of me, for my failure to recognize the lengths that still must be made to ensure their fair footing. It saddens me to think of male contributors to this thread thinking all has been done for women that CAN be done, and that they don't think any more SHOULD be done. It saddens me for the limitations they have put on their own growth, and the growth of the women in their lives.

That is a very poeatic but it doesn't answer my qestion.

Dude, you are a male chauvinist. "Has been done for women" ? What kind of languages is it ? It's like If you were talking about some homeless pets, which need to have food supplied in winter. Women will be doing fine without your compassion and care.

I was talking about France. In France, it's very common, unfortunately.


I would love to know more about that.
But to be honest, I happen to react after some thinking.


Hmm. And you dare say others they are offensive?
I don't read any women magazines (really not!), I'm not a feminist (not at all), and I'm not a she or any other stupid thing you could say.

I was talking about French facts, from a bunch of French sources. Now please stop telling others what they should do, and show them some respect.

Men and women are different, but one dares not assert that in modern times for fear of being labelled sexist (which is one of those absurdities those types of people fail to see, btw). Men are generally solutions oriented while women are generally experience oriented. That's why when a man sees a problem, his reflex is to figure out the solution. He doesn't give a damn why it happened, unless the understanding of "why" is necessary to logically determine root cause.

Voltaire said women lack the capacity to understand genuine absurdity and for this reason cannot appreciate the humor in a situation that emerges from self-knowledge.

Another reason that suffrage was a mistake. A person who cannot recognize absurdity (for example, worshipping Obama as a Messiah) will always be a pawn for those who know how to present their case, even if their position has no merits outside of testimonials

I will elaborate what's my problem with Zimmy some other day (I hope lol).

In Poland we would observe Woman's Day and Boy's Day (Dzień Chłopaka) at school. Boys would give girls presents on March 8 and girls would give boys presents on 30th September:

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzie%C5%84_Ch%C5%82opaka
It looks like it's still done:

zso6.kielce.edu.pl/dzien-chlopaka.htm

But we didn't celebrate Woman's Day and Boy's Day (or Men's Day) at high school anymore nor at the university or at work.


I think we are all aware that women and men are different. That's not the point. The point is - women are different, but not worse.


Hmmmmm, I don't know... When I brake my nail first I cut it so it would be even, then I usually cut the rest of my nails so they would be the same length and then I think what I should do to avoid it happening next time and I would probably also wonder: "Hmm, maybe I should eat more vitamins?" lol

Does this mean I'm a man? :O


Oh, let us not stop at Voltaire (after all he lived in 18th century). Herbert Spencer, an English philosopher, biologist and sociologist of the Victorian era, believed that female evolution, meaning intellectual evolution, had stopped at a stage before man's in order to preserve vital organs for childbirth. If a woman undertook rigorous 'brain work' such as mathematics, energy could be diverted from her reproductive system, threatening fertility and general wellbeing.

I also remember reading about a British MP, I think, who thought that studying at university would damage women's brains ^__^


I wonder what Zimmy, Ironside and Grzegorz think about what kondzior wrote... Do you guys agree?

I didn't acknowledge Women's Day this year, not do I any year.

It's just another day on the calendar for me.

A few gals mentioned it to me but I shrugged it off.

I also don't do flowers or special gifts for occasions like anniversaries, Valentine's Day or the like.

Birthdays and holidays are observed with gifts and dinners and I am usually good for a reasonable dinner outing on an anniversary.

Oh, I do take my mother out on Mother's Day and helped my children take their mom out then as well but they are responsible for that now that they are grown men.

Thinking back I did take my secretary to lunch on Secretaries Day each year and also had a big basket of candy or sacks delivered so she could not be embarrassed in the eyes of other secretaries. Privately though I always made sure they understood that they were especially valued all the time.

Overall, I celebrate women in general and my woman in particular every day of the year. She's just as likely to get a necklace, a washing machine or an AR on February 14th as she is on September 7th or June 23rd (random dates). I get the door most every day, respect her opinion all the time and we enjoy dinner dates 4-5 times a month. If a woman only wants to be special 3-4 times a year, they aren't my kind of gal and I can live without them.

lol Did you get hit for that one? :)

Nope, but if I ever do I guarantee it will only happen once and it will be returned the next day.

The female mind explained:

blip.tv/commando-11-digital-motion-pictures/vagina-vocational-centers-114780

This inability for most women to think in abstractions is what makes them so malleable and easily manipulated. Women are essentially the ultimate useful idiots. They do not live in the world of ideas and concepts, they cannot read "between the lines", the way they process information is through their emotions. This is why it is essential for a society to be ruled by a patriarchal order because civilized societies are run by hard concepts and ideas. Only savages live by the whims of their instincts and emotions.

Let's say you have a country, and you want to defend it's borders in order to secure the national identity of your people. This is a pretty straight forward concept, but it offers no emotional leg for a woman to latch on. On the other end, concepts like open immigration and multiculturalism are loaded with emotional significance. It would be very easy for any group of people who wanted to undermine the national identity of your country for their own benefit to push certain emotional leaded policies when 50% of your voter base is made of individuals who can understand things only from an emotional point of view.

Yes and no. Without emotions, we are nothing. A subtil mix of 'ideas' and 'emotions' is probably more interesting, humanwise.

At least they're useful. What is it you're bringing to the table, again? Women can't "think in abstractions"? I don't think you are the go-to person for pontificating on the mechanics of who can and whom can't think, or in what capacity. Some of the greatest abstract expressionists were and are women. Now you'd like to tell me perhaps "art" doesn't count, because nothing is accomplished by any great work of art? What about Noether's work in abstract algebra? How many algorithmic discoveries have you made that changed the concept of neurology as we know it? What a repugnant and inaccurate assessment you've made.

Hahaha! Lucky I never studied at university my brain is very fragile as it is, and to think that I was criticised for not reading books. Now I feel better, I saved my brain, I knew reading only comics would pay off.

So either you are discriminating women in you so oh great and socialist France or those sources are just made up to suit someone agenda. About 30% difference in salaries between woman and man on the same position with the same qualification? where do you live Polson on the moon? Respect? For someone who swallow all kinds of creative statistics from newspapers? phew!


What are you talking about/? are you blaming women for fallacies of democracy? that is an absurdity if I ever seen one.

Oh God xDDD
And this 21st century, people!
This man (noun) is (verb) stupid (adjective) :)


I wonder, do you live in a basement and don't go out? lol


You mean like those savage men in patriarchal India who gang rape women because those men live by the whims of their instincts? I wonder if they think in abstractions and can read "between the lines" lol


Are you kidding? You obviously don't know Polish history or women at all.


lol
Do you think only women can be liberal? Or that there are no conservative women? What planet do you live on? lol


lol
Ha, the mistery has been solved - now we know how men have been able to preserve their brains untouched - they only read comics :)


Indeed! And I've been able to detect it! How is that possible? Amazing...

Hey, you're a funny boy.


You don't know anything about me, so yes, respect others views, even if they don't fit yours. I mean we can discuss, right? Or will you try to insult me for each of my words?

And the creative stats from newspapers are actually from INSEE (go learn something: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INSEE).
I do not 'swallow' everything I read, and this is not a women magazine.

Anyway, I read some more stuff, and it's more 10 than 30%, but it depends from a lot of stuff.

LOL, I guess no woman ever used her sexuality on you. I've had to hire women to make diversity quotas. It's obviously a subject you are not familiar with. Additionally, it's not a man's world in advertising and in many other industries.


Not true in North America. You don't seem to know much about work environments. People working in cubicles are not paid less for the same job if they have the same seniority, it's against several federal and state laws to do so. The only exceptions seem to be women who are paid more because they fill quotas, usually in male dominated jobs. In a previous post I gave you a link that showed 40 professions/jobs where women earn more than men. It's evident that you prefer your 'feelings' about things rather than the facts.


I was mocking the false narrative that there was a "war on women" because they couldn't get free contraceptives. Comparing that to the fact that only womens health offices are created (costing several billion dollars) to zero health departments for men was a total sham. Yet, weeks of news coverage about the "war on women" was a hot topic, even during the Democratic Party Convention. Not a mention that men's health was being ignored. To not understand such disparity, and hypocrisy and pretending that it doesn't count diminishes you.


The issue isn't money. It's putting your agenda of equality where your mouth is. I realize that you 'don't get it'. ...and by the way, I consider it a successful date when the hypocritical woman immediately washes out.

Those who ignorantly charge that I "hate women" are devoid of real argumentation. It's all they have with that charge and I've previously addressed those 'shaming tactics' in another forum. Such accusations only belittle the name-caller who is oblivious to how low-level she or he is.

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Do we really need to know anything else? If your idea of a successful end to end an evening with a woman is to prove her a hypocrite, then yeah, I think we're on sturdy ground when we


. These posts are starting to give me the gnawing suspicion that maybe you fellas DON'T hate women, maybe you just don't KNOW any. Hatred is just fear turned on it's head, right?

Perhaps you prefer hypocritical women; I don't.


You seem to postulate falsehoods out of your butt, or at least out of thin air. The reason for such speculation on your part proves that you cannot provide evidence that refutes anything I've proven or the logic I've provided. You seem to know nothing about producing facts.

I've got any easy question for you though; If I can pay women less than men than why don't I or any other company hire women only? After all, corporate types like me want to make profits.......Please be specific and try to hold your 'feelings' about who I am to your imagination instead of listing them here.

I think not, unfortunately ;)


In púrn maybe ;) Anyway, I see your point, but I was more talking about how this world goes. The whole competition stuff, this is very 'masculine'.

And honestly, maybe that's how TV is in America, but I checked again here, and I don't see such male bashing ads.


Depends. There are bonuses, for competitiveness and such. And these are mostly for men. You're still talking about the US it seems tho. I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just that America is not Europe, there are differences, good and bad.

And it's true that female-male parity in the US is much more 'present', in the sense that they try to make a lot of things equal for both sexes. So much that they do male bashing ads, right? ;)


No, I've read facts too. Not saying you're wrong about everything, once again.


And I realize that you don't get humour. I was obviously joking.