News / Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023 [933]


They are not known to bring misery either.

My point is, a man should provide for all his family's needs to the best of his strengths and ability. If he doesn't, he's a bum.

End of.

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Brilliant. :)

So, for example, you live in a house/apartment that is too small for your family, and your kids can't go to a good private school, but at least the guy "is there for you"? In what sense though? Sharing the poverty and being there every minute of it, instead of getting his finger out and earning more? :) So, I guess Ferdynand Kiepski is you prince charming? ;)


Oh, definitely! 100% :)

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This whole conversation only proves what I always knew: every woman gets a man that she deserves* (and vice versa).

xD

* apart from domestic abuse cases obviously

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*sighs*

And two single jobs are enough for everything?

Brilliant.

If not, see my post #352.

Have a nice day.

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Jaysus... and then you are surprised when I say something about margines społeczny!

Unless, of course those 95% of men earned enough in one job for all their families' needs. If not, they are bums not men.

Anyways, ladies - if that's the kind of men you meet and live around, please accept the expressions of my deep regret.

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Why shouldn't one want all of these things? What you described is a middle-class lifestyle to which many people aspire and which many people achieve.

Why do you think such "expectations are too high"? If a man can do it for his family, why shouldn't he?

I feel attacked.

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Me too. What you say might have been a rule 20 years ago but definitely not today (retired men take care of their elderly parents too - I know personally two such guys).


Look, you said yourself that it is usually women who do most household chores and take care of children more than men, right?

It is obvious then that earning money rests on men. If a married couple with children can have all their needs fulfilled with each parent having just one job - brilliant. Absolutely lovely. However, it is very often not the case, not even in Gdańsk, so I imagine that in Kielce it's even worse (lower salaries, fewer opportunities).

In such case, men should take responsibility and work more. When I was younger I took a lot of jobs on the side and worked almost every weekend, my brother in law does deliveries apart from his normal 40h job, and my neighbour (a builder) works crazy hours - because that's what men do, they take care of their families.

In connection to our earlier conversation: maybe that's why kieleckie is "Polska B" - women take care of finances and men don't work more than 1 job? xD

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That's definitely not a rule. I know many sons who take care of their elderly mothers (even though they have sisters).


Are you kidding me? That would mean that either all men in Kielce earn enough in one job to provide everything their families need (I doubt it) or they just don't give a toss if their wives and children have everything they need (also doubtful). So what's going on there in Kielce??? xD

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What if a woman is single (and it's a plague these days - there's throngs of 30-40 y.o. spinsters)? Why should she retire earlier?


Man who have families very often have two jobs to provide for them - why should they retire later than single women or those women who only have one job?


They get lower retirement pay because they work shorter (have lower retirement age). Also, man very often have two jobs, so they get double ZUS contributions. Most of my male friends work at least 1.5 full-time jobs, so automatically they contribute more to their retirement funds.

Jon is right - the system is fundamentally unfair.

State pension system is a huge fraud. Everyone should contribute to private retirement funds (IKE, IKZE etc.), and for those who don't children should be their retirement funds. The current system favours childless female parasites the most - they contribute the least, play no social role, and yet are allowed to retire early.

Off-Topic / Best posters [701]


...also very often likes wearing horned helmets, eating bratwurst and posting on Polish internet boards.

Off-Topic / Best posters [701]


I'd say that pagan is more of a neutral term for someone who follows a non-Abrahamic religion whilst heathen has a definitely more negative connotation (like ungodly, idolator or infidel), as in: "My student has the impression that the Poles, a deeply religious nation, think of their Czech neighbors as a heathen lot".

Off-Topic / Best posters [701]


So, hypothetically, if a forum user is a heathen, paedophile, coffin-dodging hunchback, then a good poster (bei deiner definition) shouldn't point it out to him nor wish him long and painful death by testicular cancer?

Geez, Bobi, you are setting standards a bit too high methinks.

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I doubt it.

I've only been to hospital once as a teenager, after I crashed my dad's motorbike into a rather inconveniently placed building, but people in general try to avoid Polish hospitals because the food there is legendarily sh*tty (even prisoners receive much richer and healthier portions than hospital patients).

Life / The Polish Wedding - What is it Like in Poland? [338]

What? Everybody is jumping on me now?

Sorry, people, but constant explaining the most obvious basics of Polish Family Life 101 to you is below my dignity.

Good night.

Life / The Polish Wedding - What is it Like in Poland? [338]


The word "women" and the phrase "good with money" do not collocate.

If a woman is better with money than a man, it only proves that there is something deeply wrong with such man, as I said.


Oh, you meant that??? Well, of course the lady of the house should have more than ample means required to run the household allocated to her by her husband. Obviously.

I meant that serious finances: investing, saving, pension funds, larger purchases etc. as well as the duty of earning the money should lay in the hands of the lord of the house.

So we are not, in fact, in any disagreement here. :)

Life / The Polish Wedding - What is it Like in Poland? [338]


I read it. I dislike it. I disagree with it.

*I pout*

Life / The Polish Wedding - What is it Like in Poland? [338]


It's very simple really. If a woman, apart from her usual role of the guardian of ognisko domowe, taking care of children, home, family health etc., has to take care of finances on top of all that, it means that there is something deeply wrong with the man in such family. He may be an alcoholic, drug addict, gambler or whatnot, and such situations are way more common in (although, of course, not exclusive to) margines społeczny.

@Paulina

I refuse to believe this 60% number. Flatly refuse. That's it.

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@Paulina, Lenka

Sorry, ladies, but we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

A man leaving the control of family finances in frail and emotions-driven female hands is asking for trouble, and it reeks of margines społeczny to me.

Life / Why are Polish people so strange & unusual? [51]


You've got a good point there.

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That only proves that Polish family life is deteriorating.

I am lucky enough not to be acquainted personally with any family where a woman would be in charge of finances - for me it's margines społeczny. Sorry.

Life / Why are Polish people so strange & unusual? [51]


Well, "Poles are a great nation but the people are kurwas", as the Good Marshall Piłsudski used to say.

On the other hand, perhaps it was our "lovely" character that helped us survive being stuck between Germans and Russians for over 1000 years. ;)

Life / The Polish Wedding - What is it Like in Poland? [338]


Maybe in margines społeczny families, where the man is a drunk or something!

In a normal family the husband is the Minister of Finance and the wife is the Minister of Health. :)

News / Poland highest inflation in 20 years [319]


Hmm... I don't know... perhaps not quite the Polish level, true, but I wouldn't underestimate the old Limeys either. They showed some respectable resilience during and after WW2, and let's not forget that they built the largest empire on Earth. Even if they are somewhat past their prime now, I still would be careful with them.

In general underestimating your enemy is the silliest thing you can do in a war. That's why I'm so annoyed with all those "incompetent, drunk, toilet-stealing orcs" nonsense.

News / Poland highest inflation in 20 years [319]


Polish pain?

Having our country partitioned, by our dear friends and neighbours, and disappearing from the map of Europe for 123 years - that was painful.
Insurrections and uprisings, drowned in blood - that was painful.
Siberian exiles, russification, germanization and all types of persecution - that was painful.
Invasion by III Reich and Soviet Union and losing 12 million citizens - that was painful.
585% inflation in 1990, followed by massive unemployment - that was painful.

15% inflation? With unemployment lowest in 30 years? A mere inconvenience.

We are a resilient nation of brave and long-suffering people. We've been through so much that all the current energy crisis, inflation, unstable situation in the east etc. seems almost like a Golden Age (and it probably is :)).

News / Poles start to feel arrogant and superior to Southern Europeans [182]


Case by case of 5000 murdered civilians including 187 children? I don't have that kind of amount of free time on my hands.

Here's only a tiny part...

zolnierzeprzekleci.wordpress.com/zbrodnie-podziemia-powojennego/

zolnierzeprzekleci.wordpress.com/zbrodnie/

... you can go case by case if you want.

News / European News and Poland Thread 3 [1013]

Well done Serbia and Germany! I have always prefered European basketball to those NBA "Harlem Globetrotters" ;)

History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [934]


Obviously not pro-Putinist but perhaps ever so slightly more Ukraine-skeptical.

News / Poles start to feel arrogant and superior to Southern Europeans [182]


I wouldn't say f*cked up. Just immature. He reminds me of myself when I was 15. Back then I was also convinced about my own inerrancy and absolutely unable to believe that Poles could ever possibly have done anything morally wrong or even unfair. I was also clumsy with women (to put it mildly) and completely and utterly unable to admit that I was wrong or apologize.

Iron is OK. He's a Polish patriot and has his heart in the right place. As for loveliness of character and maturity... well, nobody's perfect. :D

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@Paulina

Just a piece of advice - stop arguing with Iron. You can't win: he has way more time on his hands, is absolutely convinced of his infallibility, and will flood you with a torrent of grammatically incorrect sentences at the drop of a hat. :)

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Well done! :)


... or at least keeps quiet about them for the time being. The anti-EU bits are of course nonsense but we could use some more pro-Russian voices in Polish politics, if only for balance in nature.