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@mafketis
They have already received hundreds of billions.

Frankly, I almost hope Trump says fvck it. Leave Ukraine to do what it can with what the EU can provide. Make a deal with the Congo that has been offered for rare earths, and move on from this nonsesical war. Slam Russia with more sanctions on other countries importing Russian oil for being stupid and not making a deal, and focus more on the American people. Starmer, Macron and who ever is next in Germany can try to clean up the mess they created.

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@Tlum
Again, another who doesnt understand Americans.

1. Americans wont pay 25% more for any imported car, they will buy American, or not buy at all and wait for a new trade deal to be done.

2. Honda has already committed to building new cars in the US to avoid tariffs. Apple investing billions in the US now for phone production to avoid tariffs. Canadian companies moving to the US to avoid tariffs.

What Europeans dont understand is that the ultra wealthy dont care about the extra costs, and people that are not wealthy will simply buy other affordable products. Its only a matter of changing your spending habits, and price will make that happen quickly. This will also keep many Americans from spending stupidly on things they should not be buying on credit, which in turn will imrpove their overall financial health. Little Mikey making 50K a year shouldnt be driving a new Mercedes for 70K financed for 6 years just because Mercedes or another banks is greedy enough to give him the financing.

Its going to take a little time, but tariffs will work for the US. Maybe Canada will eliminate the 490% tariff on US agriculture products? Maybe the EU will realize that the VAT being charged on imports is just another tariff, and it should be equal to the tariffs the US charges? A 200% tariff on all EU wine and alcohol sales would send France, Italy and Spain to the psyche ward.

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Meanwhile, Trump is voicing his frustration with Putin dragging his feet on a peace deal. Z is now stating he wont do a mineral rights deal with the US if it interferes with Ukraine getting into the EU. This, in my opinion, if both sides continue, will lead Trump to say fvck it, and take the US completely out of the picture. If no one wants to make a deal, then Trump wont waste his time, or the US money. Either way, the war ends pretty quickly. But if Trump pulls out, it will be very bad for Ukraine. Europe does not have the ability to replace US aid financially or in supplies to fight.

If its against Ukraine law for men to leave the country to fight, why arent countries returning these men of fighting age to Ukraine?

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@cms neuf
Everyone will give in to Trump eventually. There is no replacement for the US market. It is simple economics. News reports today saying no backing down anticipated from Trump. Imagine a 200% tariff on all alcohol produced in Europe. The Italian PM has told Brussels to stop trying to threaten the US. Europe win a trade war with the US is about as likely as Ukraine beating the EU in a trade war. California alone would be the worlds fifth largest economy, only Germany in the EU is larger. But take away all those auto exports and sales in the US, and Germany is fvcked.

I would debate that banking is dominated by the US. The Swiss, Germans, Swedes, and others play vital roles in banking. Culture, I would hope for Europe to win that war, I personally dislike many US cultural claims or ideas of what culture is. Sport? Unlikely. The embedded level of competition in all aspects of life in the US are so far greater than Europeans its easy to see.

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@Przelotnyptak1
I dont think I ghosted you. I only have three on my ignore list. I only ghost those who attack me personally. Simply not worth dealing with people like this.

I know I am abrasive, arrogant and all those other "American qualities" when it comes to people who know nothing about me or who have never really interacted with me. See me which ever way you want. The only opinions that matter are my wife's, my children, and my friends. I will say I am proud to have some of these European disliked qualities. I dont waste time with needless conversation, and do not suffer fools.

@Miloslaw
As for European football, it is as soft as baby sh1t. I played soccer in the summer so I could keep in shape for real sports in winter, because it was so soft there is virtually no way to get injured. Global sport anyone can play because there are grass and dirt fields everywhere. When men stop flopping around on the ground, grabbing their leggs like little children, then you might see it catch on in the US. Americans dont like men who act like babies.

Now, Trump and Vance are doing what the American voters have told them to do. The markets have pulled back, which makes it a great time to buy. Tariffs go into effect in a few days, and already new commitments to build cars and factories in the US are being made. I love my Mercedes, but I live in Poland so it doesnt effect me. And now, in the US I simply wont replace the one I have there with another due to cost. Choices, are what are being made. Not just by people but by businesses. With the trade deficits, Trump is making long over due choices. Canadians will crumble, along with Mexicans. Europeans will break from each other over time. Short term, it causes some problems, long term, it will bring more jobs and money back to the US. Simply smart business.

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@cms neuf
Land Rovers are junk, Range Rovers as well. Last hundred years from the UK, new potato recipe's? All the high and mighty attitude is laughable. A few of you I would smack if I met just to see how tough you really are out from behind a keyboard. As for "football", are you talking about the flopping on the ground like a fish when touched by an opponent? Or the kind that men play? While a Brit built the first "train", it was an American who built the first railroad. Thanks for playing.

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@cms neuf
Obviously you dont understand New Yorkers.

@Ironside
Ukraine is not in NATO or the EU. It was not condered "part of the region" until the EU decided to say it was. Saying the US has a responsibility is accurate. But that responsibility means that it first must take care of itself. If it does not get rid of the evil elements within, how can it help anyone else. That whole throwing stones and glass houses saying comes to mind.

As for the business side, yes, free market economies can be brutal. But trade done on even scales, can be so fruitful that it could lead to some countries saying fvck the EU agreements, we are making our own. And if Poland wanted eternal trading sunshine with the US, it would only take making itself an equal trading partner. Want to see business boom, and more US companies paying higher wages in Poland? Thats the quickest way to make it happen. Wnat military protection from the US? Have US business in Poland and the military will never leave. Tell me I am wrong.

@amiga500
Your analogy makes no sense. The US changed CEO's and doesnt owe Ukraine any invoices. If the US owed anyone I would say it has to be paid, but the facts are that the US doesnt owe Ukraine a thing or a dollar.

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@Ironside
Call it BS. Thats fine. Again, Ukraine is not the responsibility of the United States or its citizens. WTF does everyone not understand. They are not NATO, or EU. They are as corrupt a nation as they come. Watch how many billions end up missing, and how many weapons are on the black market from Ukraine. They are every bit as dirty as Russia. The only problem is the west got in bed with them in 2014.

Call me an American, ok. I live in Poland though and want whats best for Poland. And what is best for Poland is a strong relationship wth the US independent of NATO or the EU. Anyone saying otherwise wants to see all the US companies, like Amazon, Intel and others leave and take all those jobs with them. Whats best for Poland is a strong US military presence throughout the country.

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Brits more intelligent than Yanks? Interesting concept with little to fall back on as proofs.

Funny how the UK people here think they are so high and mighty. Its a trait all of them seem to share. They think they have some superiority based on some historical references from hundreds of years ago. When in fact, Brits have done nothing of note, create anything of note, invent anything of note, or done anything earth shatteringly beneficial to mankind in at least the last fifty if not one hundred years.

@Novichok
Every dollar of foreign aid needs to be accounted for. Congress must be required to pass single item spending bills. Congress must have term limits. The budget must be slashed to a point where other countries are forced to innovate and change their cultures to survive on their own. Or, deals must be made that allow the US to support countries in exchange for natural resources that can offset the expense. No more free rides.

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Interesting how there have been no new attacks on energy infrasstructure. Shocking isnt it, how little deals can begin to bring bigger deals to the table. But of course we know all the deal makers here on PF will come out and say "just wait", or "you will see". Fvcking moronic.

As for the Russians playing Trump, I dont see it that way. When you want out of something you look for the cleanest way out. Trump and the US want out of Ukraine. He got a lot of flack for cutting off aid, and intelligence, but it brought Ukraine back to the table. He is looking for the Nobel prize, and doesnt GAF about Ukraine or Russia. When you understand that not only is Trump a New Yorker, but does business deals that are always in his eyes, in his favor, then you know what you are dealing with. His actions are producing results when it comes to tariffs, and this limited cease fire is no small deal in the big picture of the war.

Not one other EU leader was willing to speak to Vlad other than Orban. No one in the EU wanted to talk peace. Starmer the mental midget wants more sactions, and Marcron the actual midget wants to up the anty and talk about what happens if peace keepers were attacked after a cease fire. These are not men of peace, they are men who want to continue irritating Russia and undermining the peace process. All the great negotiators and statesmen here would have this war going on another five years.

@Bobko
Yes. The war did start in 2014. Everyone pretty much admits it now. Pretty obvious the CIA was involved when you actually do any investigating and reading aboue things more than a decade later. But you know, truths can be inconvenient to current narratives.

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@Barney
Even Russia admits and has stated that without the US lend lease program which began in March of 1941, the USSR could not have accomplished anything in Poland or elsewhere. Remember the US didnt enter the war until December of 1941. It had been shipping weapons and equipment for over eight months before Pearl Harbor was attacked. WW2 history is something I consume. No one ever mentions the US provoking Japan to attack Pearl Harbor, and ignoring the threats it knew existed before the attack. When the US cut off Japan from its fuel and oil it was only a matter of when they would attack.

My problem with many PF members here is that they dont want to remember facts, or that the US has supported Europe for 80 years. They simply dont like Trump and dont want to have to do the heavy lifting now. I get it. To bad mouth the US at every turn though, because Europe just doesnt like how things are being done is bvllshit. Europe had 80 years to get their sh1t together. They had over 30 since the wall came down. And nothing. Now they want the US to bail out Ukraine? Its garbage. And its my fvcking money thats going for it, and frankly I am tired of paying for this war, and all the other graft in Washington. So are millions more people.

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@Barney
Yes the Soviet Union mobilized 34 million or so. Not all at once though, so your thinking of 34 million getting equiped is simply not supported by any evidence. Equipment is not measured by tonnage. See the itemized list on the link I provided. Without the US lend lease, Europe would still be goose stepping and speaking german. Russia would be what it is.

The Red Army began liberating Poland from German occupation in 1944 and early 1945, with the Soviet forces pushing the German military westward towards Berlin, effectively ending the German occupation of Poland. The Red Army lost 8 million before even beginning the Poland operations. AI will help you with the numbers and time lines. The Lend Lease Act was signed into law in 1941. So from 1941 on, the US provided it.usembassy.gov/america-sent-gear-to-the-ussr-to-help-win-world-war-ii/ How much does a jeep, tank or anything else weigh? I dont gaf, but anyone can count the numbers of things the US provided, without wich Poland wouldnt have been freed.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army

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@Barney
Another assinine answer. If you read the link, with the real numbers, if not for the US, Russia wouldnt have made it to Poland. You and others want to rewrite history to ignore truths. And this is why Americans dont GAF about Europe any more. Tough guy? Nah, just smarter than you.

@cms neuf
Seriously, your posts are surreal. Another example of why Americans just dont care anymore what Europeans say or think.

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@cms neuf
America weakening? Youre delusional. Anyone saying that is either jealous, or stupid.

@Barney
Get an education. Fvcking moronic claim there.
it.usembassy.gov/america-sent-gear-to-the-ussr-to-help-win-world-war-ii/

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@cms neuf
So, if the US isnt fighting to liberate France, Germany and others, the USSR was going to fight where and with what weapons? Your take on history ignores facts. Lets remember that the rest of Europe delivered Poland to Stalin, the European brotherhood bent Poland over and didnt kiss them before fvcking them.

The home of democracy the US. How is it working out? Pretty damn good. Largest economy in the world, freely elected officials, freedom of speech in the purest form that Europe does not have anywhere. The democracy of Ukraine is working well isnt it? No voting, censorship, outlawing of religion, outlawing oposition political parties, and billions in missing "aid" money. How about the freedom in the UK? People being arrested and going to jail for stating their opinions publicly. Or the crime in Sweden, France, and Germany from this great migration of all these doctors and engineers from Africa. Your take on democracy is laughable.

Being on holiday in Spain, its been amazing to see how many Ukraine men of fighting age are here working and on vacation. Indeed, every Ukrainian man wants to be fighting for his country. Such patriotism should be funded endlessly. eye roll

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@cms neuf
You think that US soldiers getting killed across Europe in WW2 was not in defense of Poland or was it only France and Germany? Use of bases? Watch how quickly local economies crater when those US soldiers and salaries leave town. Europe wants those dollars flowing in local economies. I will not disparage the troops all Europe has sent to the US illegal wars. I will say though that those numbers were small. The US really doesnt need democratic allies when it is the home of democracy. Its fledgling democracies that need the US.

Europe has loaned money to Ukraine, Google is your friend. Some of it to be repiad by Russian assets, which is essentially stealing from Russia.

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@Miloslaw
Please explain how Europe benefits the US as an ally. Does anyone think for a second that an invading force would attempt to land on US shores? Does Europe protect the US with its vast nuclear arms? Or is the argument based on having fought together in the past for Europe?

@Ironside
What Americans get worked up about is not the war in Ukraine, but the spending on the war. Europe has given Ukraine loans, not free money like the US has. Americans are too caught up in fixing their own country now. And that work stirs up a lot of emotions concerning social issues in the US. No one has explained how it benefits the American citizen directly by supporting Ukraine financially. Unless they become a "state" or a "protectorate" like Puerto Rico, where is the value for the every day American? What are the bottom spheres of American society? Considering Trump won the popular vote, are those bottom spheres, only the uneducated, and poor? Or is it the group that simply doesnt want the leftist socialist democratic agenda infecting and poluting the country, and Europe, to remain in power?

@cms neuf
How about the ones who died for Poland and Europe?

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@mafketis
Yeah, again, not energy infrastructure. Port of Odessa? Was it shipping or military? Lets not forget the Ukraine drone attacks they are doing.

All the but Russia this, but Russia that is boring. Ukraine is not stopping what they are doing either. And a cease fire on Energy and on Black Sea shipping routes is not a cease fire on anything else. If people on PF were representatives in any merger of a big company, they would be fired for their negative attitudes. The goal is to create peace, not a perfect world.

The worst case scenario is that Russia or the US says fvck it. Lets remember who the real people making deals are here. Ukraine is in a position they cant get out of without help.

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While PF members here continue to make unsubstantiated claims of new energy infrastructure strikes in the last 72 hours since a deal was made, Trump is making more deals. reuters.com/world/europe/russia-us-are-studying-outcome-talks-ukraine-riyadh-kremlin-says-2025-03-25/

Ukraine has not previously figured out Black Sea transit. Ukraine has had to make use of older shipping lanes in order to get some of its agriculture through. Opening the Black Sea to safe shipping, and removal of mines, would be a big step forward for peace. While I dont like the idea of Trump pushing for an easing of sanctions on Russia to make it happen, everyone has to give a little to get a little.

And now for the chiming in on how Russia will break the deal....... But the facts are that Trump is making attempts to get things done, attempts no one else was thinking of making. That is exactly what the world needs, conversations on many subjects. But carryon with the name calling, it has accomplished so much.

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@mafketis
And just like that, conversation brings Ukraine and Russia together on a deal for safe passage in the Black Sea.

reuters.com/world/europe/us-says-ukraine-russia-agree-ensure-safe-navigation-black-sea-2025-03-25/

That Trump is a fvcking moron right? eye roll

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Meanwhile, Russia and the US are talking about territory in Ukraine peace talks. This is where everything comes to a head. Ukraine constitutionally cant recognize Russia has captured this territory, and Russia has already recognized the territories. In what was called a marathon session of talks, at least they arre still talking.

@Bobko
I think you give some interesting insight and opinions on Trump and his motivations. While I dont agree with everything, I think the Obama slight is the primary reason he ran, and is trying to make this peace deal. He hates Obama, and wants a Nobel prize like Obama. While most of us see Trump as very wealthy we do not see him as an elite per se. Its the Pelosi's or the world that have gotten the US where it is today, and during this time they have robbed Americans and enriched themselves to the detriment of the same people they claim to love and represent. Its the Pelosi's and Bidens of the world that would not seek an end to this war unless unrelaistic demands were met. The same people who wouldnt even talk to Russia, when there is no peace without conversation.

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thehill.com/opinion/5198022-ukraine-conflict-disinformation/

Nothing to see here, nothing to see. Move along.

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Its clear he not only doesnt understand the US, or its ways of doing business, but doesnt understand how Americans think.

Meanwhile, now that Ukraine is focusing on fighting for more of its lost territory instead of sacrificing men for Russian land they are losing, they have taken a village back. This is positive news for Ukraine, and they need more of it. This attempt in Kursk was just stupid and too many men were lost for nothing.

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Want to examine the lies of the Biden admin? They are quite extensive. The US time as a super power will not end. Too many nukes and the worlds largest economy. 30 Trillion dollars a year in spending. Trump was gited a million dollars, he didnt inherit the money. He was worth hundreds of millions on his own. And anyone thining a million or even ten million is a lot of money has never been around money.

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@cms neuf
I said nothing about native Poles in the US. I am talking about a lot of old neighborhoods in a lot of cities. Rogan, Fox, and others are conservatives, makes sense for Poles and those with Polish ancestry to be interested in those opinions. In the end, family values and conservatives always beat the side show freaks.

@Torq
Never judge a book by its cover. I have colleagues who dress the part, and people think they are wealthy and powerful. Yet, they ask me for loans and live on credit cards. I have other friends who wear cloths until the fall apart and drive ten year old cars. Yet they have millions in the bank and when they need to look the part, everyone else in the room couldnt afford to buy the same suit.

doge.gov/savings last updated March 19, 2025. In three months 115 Billion saved in combined asset control. This is transparency, and thats a lot of fvcking money. Firing all these people now saves billions more. I get it you dont trust the US, dont like whats happening. You dont have to. 67% of Americans approve of this. The war will be over, and Europe will be at peace again. But yeah that Trump sure says some unpresidential things. Never mind the results for Americans and the world.

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You are absolutely clueless of what Polish neighborhoods in the US are like. Good jobs? They have them. Cheaper eggs, they have them. Milwakee? Thats just one city with Poles and those of Polish ancestry. But even there, most of those people would be considered conservative, raised on Catholic and good family values. You really dont get it.

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This is a point I have tried to make several times. All throughout the US there are "Polish" neighborhoods still. While the ancestry lines have to go way back in most cases, these communities are very closely knit. The observe most Polish traditions and customs though most dont even know they are Polish in origin. There are Polish "clubs" in many cities, Polish churches, and stores that import Polish foods. This is not just Chicago. In my business we did a study several years back and those with Polish ancestry numbered 23% of participants nation wide. That is a huge number for a niche' industry.


I dont see it happening with Germany. Russia is obviously a possibility given todays political climate. Interestingly the Congo President has now said that they are open to make a security deal with the US for reare earth minerals. They have more than Ukraine. This should concern Ukraine since that mineral deal has yet to be made. The Congo would also be a great jumping off point for other stupid US military ventures in the future.

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@Torq
When PiS regains control of the government, and they will eventually, they will build the biggest US base in Europe for Trump or JD if its him in office. The US, and Trump has said this publicly, will not abandon Poland. Trump wants to bring 100K US troops around the world back to the US. Why? Not because someone will invade, but the US Army Corp of Engineers, can do amazing things with able bodied men in very short periods of time is my thinking.


Better the devil you know than the devil you dont. Keeping in line with the US give Poland a lot more than US military on the ground. It also gives access to US technology, and intelligence. There is none better in the world.

Meanwhile the BBC reports that the limited cease fire being worked on should be complete in the next week or so as it regards infrastructure. Even though its not signed and complete, both Russia and Ukraine have not bombed or attacked energy infrasructure in the last 48 hours. I take that as a sign that things can be discussed piece by piece and agreements can be made.

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@Paulina
The US bases in Germany were built by US forces during and after the war at the US expense. At one point there were more than 200 bases. Most have been closed or turned over to German military. As for the expenses of setting up or maintaining bases, the host country should be responsible in my opinion. Having a good sized contingent of US military in your country is a deterant.

Putin knows where the base is in Rzezow. He probably has all the intel he needs to completely wipe it out. We all know thats where the vast majority of weapons from the US are coming from. Yet, no strikes on it. Clearly its a military target if there ever was one. Putin wont think about killing any US military in Poland. He knows that the reaction would be fast and devestating if he did. Thats the reason for Poland to build fort Trump, whether you like Trump or the US or not, it would be a very good thing for Poland to have.

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More military, more nukes. Sounds a lot like Eisenhower and Krhushchev.

Poland needs a strong independent military. The EU was never meant to be one governing body that was taking over the soveriegn rights of member countries. EU law and direction should never over rule Polands laws or the direction the country wants to take. The idea of nukes in Poland at this time in history is not going to fly. Too many road blocks. If nukes were ever used in Europe, other than tactical ones, the fallout would spread across Europe. Russia doesnt want to use a big nuke unless its in a MAD scenario with the US. Putin didnt use a nuke in Ukraine these three years, the thinking that he might in the future in Europe doesnt match what we have all watched play out in Ukraine. Useless, nonsensical, and would not scare Russia at all.