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I am so sick of the deviant types forcing us to accept them. You represent the tiniest fraction of society - the 98-99% should not have to adapt to cater to you. If a priest runs a private cemetery or a man runs his own bakery - he ought to have the right to decide who gets to be buried in his cemetery and if he wants to bake a cake for a same sex couple or not. These people have no respect for our own philosophies - it is a private business owners right to refuse service and that's simply what happened in this case.

Of course the western media, and even a few anti-polish outlets within Poland, will make this incident seem that Poland is some backwards terrible country because some gay dudes couldn't get buried in a certain cemetary.

If this was a public state cemetery that refused I could understand, but it's a Catholic one. Catholic cemeteries wouldn't bury certain Italian mafia members who donated bag fulls of cash to the Catholic Church so what makes some same sex couple so special?

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I guess you could say that in some ways. While I understand that Poland and Russia have a very complicated history and reconciling totally would most likely be impossible. However, I would like to see increased trade and decreased military rhetoric between the two countries.

Just because I admire Putin because he is a 'strongman' that the West is scared of and has improved the economic situation in Russia up until the invasion of Ukraine and the sanctions afterwards, does not mean that I want Poland to return back to Communism or the old system.

I simply wish for Poland not to be totally reliant economically on the west. Poland can certainly gain from trade with Russia. Also, I admire leaders that have the cajones to stand up to the west whether it's the Visegard 4, Russia, or even Iran - who is being wrongfully criticized over their nuclear program by the US, again due to certain lobbies and foreign interests.

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Church attendance is down worldwide - it seems to only be increasing in Africa since that a new foothold for missionaries.

These non church-going Polish youth though aren't picking up LGBT banners instead and demonstrating for gay marriage.

The conservative traditions and customs stay with people that they were raised with, even if they've stopped going to church - that's what matters.

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So I listen to a Polish radio station quite often - 92.7FM. It's a mix of talk, music, etc. during the weekdays. On Saturdays, they play more dance and techno music. The radio station's demographic is immigrant Poles.

On Sundays however this station turns into English and is called Democracy Now which is an LGBT station. Yesterday when I got into my car, the station was preset to 92.7 and the hosts were discussing the tranny bathroom issue. Since I like to hear both sides of the argument, I continue to listen to them.They made a few points:

1) We shouldn't live in a society where a person with a condition (medical condition?) should be ashamed.
2) It's not a big deal - everyone goes to the bathroom
3) More than likely, a person has already shared a bathroom with an LGBT person with nothing happening at some point in their lives.

I can understand that. However, they fail to point out a few things.

1. 99%+ of society isn't LGBT. The American Psychiatric Association deems that transexualism is a mental illness. If a person is dead set on using the bathroom with the gender they identify with, they should at the very least have the proper medical paperwork that states that individual truly feels like a man/woman. This would reduce incidents of perverts simply thinking 'well I'll use the girls bathroom today' because they feel like it and think they might get a peep show out of it. This isn't the case though - Obama just announced that across the US, a student can use any bathroom that he/she chooses regardless of birth certificate - fine, but then at least have medical paperwork proving that this person has this identity crisis.

2. Exactly - it isn't a big deal. So why are trannies making it a big deal? Throughout history, people have been going to men's or women's bathroom according to their sex - why is it suddenly in the past 2 years that now there's an issue on whether a man has to go to a man's bathroom and vice versa?

If it isn't such a big deal, then you would go to whatever bathroom corresponds to the gender you were born with.

3. True. I'm sure at some point in my life I've shared a bathroom with an LGBT person and not even known about and nothing came out of it. However, that doesn't excuse the 5 cases where individuals took advantage of this stupid policy and used it for perverted means like filming in changing rooms, a rape in a bathroom, etc. Also, it doesn't mean that young children should have to go to a bathroom and see someone dressed in drag and have to be confused at what's going on.

In Poland it's very similar - only thankfully unlike the US the scale is more tipped in the conservatives' favor. Even if a person is a twice a year churchgoing Catholic in Poland, chances are they still hold anti gay marraige and anti non-white immigration sentiments according to the polls i have posted.

There is a small group of very very liberal Poles who want gay marriage, gay adoption, a bunch of Muslims and other non white immigrants to come in, and Poland to be a multicultural liberal society like western Europe or the US. However, most Poles do not want a Poland like this - and that doesn't change much whether PiS or PO is in charge. People were just as islamaphobic with PO as with PiS - maybe a bit more so now but they still were very anti Muslim migrant even during PO.

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2nd Battle of Vienna?

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According to the CIA Factbook, as of 2015 - Catholic 87.2% (includes Roman Catholic 86.9% and Greek Catholic, Armenian Catholic, and Byzantine-Slavic Catholic .3%)

You're making statements again that are totally different from reality. The vast majority of Poles identify as Roman Catholic. Perhaps all generations in modern day Poland are going to church less and less, but that doesn't mean that they no identify as Catholic or switched to atheist/agnosticism like in Czechy where 30%+ of the population is athiest. The Catholic church is not as strong as it use to be in Poland but it still nonetheless has a huge influence on politics and other aspects of Poland. Poles of all generations may not follow Catholic doctrines like no sex before marriage, go to church less and less frequently, etc. but nonetheless identify as Catholic.


Quite the opposite - if anything these paradigms are growing. If Poles didn't want a conservative, traditionalist, nationalist government then they wouldn't have elected PiS. Poland is one of more homogeneous conservative and xenophobic countries in the EU - most Poles do not care for increasing diversity in their own country, we don't want a multi kulti society like France or England.

Due to the migrant crisis and the Islamic terrorists in western Europe, Poles have become more conservative, traditionalist and especially nationalistic. Poles welcomed the EU and the west with open arms in the 90's and 2000's after communism because they wanted Poland's economy to grow and become competitive globally. The EU gave Poland billions of dollars so of course they wanted to be on good terms. However, Poland essentially traded away political power in this arrangement. Poles embraced the free market approach to economics of democratic systems. However, they did not wish to change their customs and alter their gay marriage laws and be forced to accept migrants. Poland, along with the rest of the Visegard 4, is resisting the EU forcing them to take migrants. Even PO fought against taking in migrants until Brussels put so much pressure on them (I'm guessing they threatened to cut Poland's funding) that they eventually agreed to a few thousand. Even the more far right groups have become way more popular because they are very vocal with opposing Muslim migrants coming into Poland. The average Pole wants nothing to do with the Muslim migrants - according to one CBOS poll, only about 20% of people support taking in refugees, regardless of origin while according to the University of Warsaw's study - 70% of Poles do not want non-whites living in their country. The conservative, traditionalist, and nationalist paradigm is far stronger and more popular than the western liberal paradigm - gay marriage, open immigration, atheism, etc. A Chechen family even reported how its impossible for her to put the children in school since the schools refuse to take them.

The only thing that has changed where the Poles weren't conservative, xenophobic, nationalistic, etc. is the fact that the majority of Poles accepted and welcome the Ukrainians - whether they were economic migrants just trying to make a bit of money in Poland or the refugees from the east. Aside from that, Poland and the majority of Poles are pretty conservative and Catholic. They may not be far right nationalists, but patriotism and love for one's country, religion, language and traditions. These are things that Poles kept alive even under partitions and foreign rule. Bog, Honor, Ojczyzna is what the majority of Poles believe in - that has not gone down and if anything has increased.

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That does not change that they still identify as Catholic.... there are plenty of trannies that don't bother doing the very minimum to change their gender yet I don't see you giving them flak for 'identifying with another gender' or 'not doing the very minimum'

What exactly is the 'very minimum required? Who decides it? There's no scale in the Roman Catholic church, this isn't scientology. You're not a beginner Catholic, an advanced Catholic - you are either Catholic or you're not it's simple. The minimum requirement of being Catholic would be baptism to most adherents of the faith. Typically, once you're baptized you enter the Roman Catholic church.

The vast majority of Poles are Roman Catholics no matter how you look at it though - whether they go to church or not. Millions of Poles won't go to church for 5 months in a row but you can bet they'll celebrate Wigilia even if they're pretty secular. Would you consider those people as not meeting the minimum requirements?

Whether you take a 90% survery from one source, 80% from another, 70% from a third - all of them are going to show you that the majority of people in Poland are Roman Catholic.

According to the Ministry of Foreigns Affairs of the Republic of Poland, 95% of Poles belong to the Roman Catholic Church - a survey based the number of adherents on the number of infants baptized. Most Catholics would say that the minimum is believing that Jesus is the Son of God, believing in God, believing that Mary was a virgin, and other things written in the Nicene Creed. I would argue those beliefs are the bare minimum - nowhere does it say in the Nicene Creed that you have to go to church every Sunday. Formally, baptism is what makes you a Catholic. A study by the Catholic Church revealed that from 2003 to 2014 mass attendance has declined by 2 million people and that around 40% of the population attend Church regularly - a very high number considering how lifestyle has now revolved around electronics and such - not going to church. However, during that time period over 2 million left Poland for Germany, UK, US, etc.

I am not arguing that Church attendance hasn't gone down - it certainly has. Nonetheless, the vast majority of people in Poland identify as Roman Catholic - that is their faith. According to this study (page 212) - there's 33.39 million baptized as of 2011 - stat.gov.pl/cps/rde/xbcr/gus/RS_rocznik_statystyczny_rp_2012.pdf

This is a 900 page article that describes in detail Polish society 5-6 years ago in every aspect - demographics, costs of living, labor force details, pollution, everything you can think of. If you read through this you will see that Poland is a very homogeneous society - most of the people that live in Poland are Roman Catholic Poles - and they're by far the vast majority.... not 55% or something but rather 80-90%+ Even Belarus is more diverse than Poland in terms of demographics and religion.

The Roman Catholic church, although their power has declined, is still nonetheless extremely important and powerful. For example, 50,000 showed up to see and hear Fr. Miedlak's anti-Islam speech...

Here's an except from his speech:


So true...

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I am pointing out that a Catholic priest drew such a large crowd... whether it's Miedlak or JPII - the point is the Church is very influential in Poland because most Poles identify as Roman Catholic. Yes, it's power declined but nonetheless they remain one of the more influential (perhaps the most influential in many respects) institution in Poland.

Yes, many priests are upset that he says things like that because the church's official stance is to be united with the refugees and help them out. However, most Poles do not agree with this and they don't want migrants in Poland.

One can be against a church doctrine and still identify as a Catholic - in fact, most do. 100% of Catholics do not follow 100% of what the church says. If so, then there'd never be a pregnancy outside of marraige.

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Ironside, we are seeing this already though. In many western countries, Christian Europeans are asked to dress a certain way and take down religious signs if they're close to a refugee center. Furthermore, white people cannot walk around in the areas commonly referred to as 'no go zones' without at least being stared at by everyone or accosted by Muslim men for something. There are plenty of videos and photographs showing these 'no go zones' and showing how white Europeans being criticized for drinking a beer or that their wife/girlfriend is dressed like a *****. In it's best form, the Muslim men criticize the white Europeans in their Muslim neighborhoods - at worst it results in violence, rape, gang assaults, etc.

(since the libs here say no go zones do not exist, I will refer to them as 'areas with a Muslim majority population where crime, poverty, unemployment, and extremism are rampant - areas that even the police is scared to into unless they go in a group, areas where 'Sharia' signs are plastered all over light posts with streets that are patrolled by Hisbah patrols, where a woman wearing a skirt will be accosted as would a man drinking a beer).

Christian Europeans are asked to remove crosses and religious iconography from churches because they are 'offensive' to the Muslims. Yet no one asks the Muslims to not build minarets because they're 'offensive' to Christians.

Girls in schools near refugee centers are asked not to wear skirts because the Muslim refugees deem them to be 'offensive' and 'against their religion.' Yet no one forces the Muslims to shave their beards or not have women wearing burkas because they're 'offensive.'

Even in the US, white people are viewed as the enemy more and more now by the left. 'White guilt' is a real phenomenon.

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Unlike you, I use facts, statistics, and reliable sources...

On the other hand, you use a red herring like the few Muslims in Poland or the tiny LGBT community to claim that Poland is this liberal progressive country, which it isn't.

Unlike you, I have used numbers and percentages to show that the vast majority of Poles are baptized Catholics - to most Catholics that would mean that you are also a Catholic. You however, do not - you use no sources nor any numbers to back up your claims.Show me some statistics or reliable sources that prove that Poland is moving away from a conservative and nationalist paradigm? You can't because there aren't any! In fact, nearly every major media outlet and even famous singers like Bono calls Poland a 'hyper-nationalistic,' homophobic, xenophobic, anti-Muslim country. Google 'Poland views on Muslims' 'Poland views on gays' or anything like that and you will find that Polish society is against the multi-kulti, pro-Islam, pro-diversity of the west.

Only an idiot would argue that Poland is not a Catholic conservative country... Maybe in you circle of gay liberal english teachers who failed back home in the west, but that doesn't represent the majority of POLISH society.


No it's not... it's about Poland's post-election political scene...

Maybe if you libs bothered to do some more reading you would've come to that realization. We are discussing religion only because said


which clearly isn't true. In fact, Polish society is becoming increasingly vocal and resistant to the things that the EU and the west are pushing - especially a diverse society, Muslim migrants, etc. Poles do not want it. Unlike jon, I can actually cite sources - for example, again, University of Warsaw stated that 70% of Poles do not want non-whites living in their country.

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Many sources would argue otherwise - such as Gatestone Institute which has much more merit than you:
gatestoneinstitute.org/5128/france-no-go-zones

In October 2011, a 2,200-page report, "Banlieue de la République" (Suburbs of the Republic) found that Seine-Saint-Denis and other Parisian suburbs are becoming "separate Islamic societies" cut off from the French state and where Islamic Sharia law is rapidly displacing French civil law.

The television presenter asks: "What if we went to the suburbs?" Obertone replies: "I do not recommend this. Not even we French dare go there anymore. But nobody talks about this in public, of course. Nor do those who claim, 'long live multiculturalism,' and 'Paris is wonderful!' dare enter the suburbs."

Those sound like No Go Zones to me... kind of like the west side of Chicago - yes you probably won't automatically get killed, raped, or shot going there as white person but it is an area where drug dealers and gangsters are both the economy and the law.

Liberals claims 'no go zones' don't exist - BUT majority Muslim neighborhoods that have extremely high rates of rape, poverty, unemployment, crime, extremism and have Hisbah patrols, and Sharia courts and laws are enforced, and the police is scared to enter without backup and reinforcements DO EXIST...

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That is for politicians, border control and customs to decide.


Doesn't change the fact that most people still abide by their Roman Catholic roots. Yes, church attendance may be down but that doesn't mean that Christianity is going to disappear from Poland anytime soon.


And this isn't abuse? If everyone believed in your mongrelization of cultures, there wouldn't be a Christian Poland. In your dreams - Poland was, is, and will be a Roman Catholic county. Church attendance might be down but that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of Poles follow Roman Catholic traditions and baptize their children.

Yes Dougpol, what the citizens want and get are often two different things. However, Jon and harry are arguing that the 'conservative, nationalistic, traditional' paradigm isn't working in Poland when based on recent events - those types of sentiments are actually increasing - especially as Polish citizens and Polish government alike stand up to the EU forcing them to accept migrants. Far right parties and anti-Muslim demonstrations are attracting more and more people - not in Poland only but even in Germany too - the AfD party has been growing in popularity quite a bit.

Sorry, jon and harry - but neither Poles nor the Polish government want Muslims or African migrants or gay marraige in Poland. That is the reality.

According to one CBOS poll, only about 20% of people support taking in refugees, regardless of origin while according to the University of Warsaw's study - 70% of Poles do not want non-whites living in their country. The conservative, traditionalist, and nationalist paradigm is far stronger and more popular than the western liberal paradigm - gay marriage, open immigration, atheism, etc. A Chechen family even reported how its impossible for her to put the children in school since the schools refuse to take them. That is the kind of numbers I like to see.

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This turban wearing fool just wanted his 15 minutes of fame - that's all...


Unfortunately - it's been working. The western media is painting Poland as a xenophobic country ruled by an authoritarian government. It's usually Poland and Hungary that are discussed in the same sentence... Bono calls Poland and Hungary 'hyper-nationalistic' and Bill Clinton made a statement along the lines of : 'Poland and Hungary, who wouldn't be free if it wasn't for the US, decided democracy was too much trouble and opted for a Putin-style authoritarian dictatorship to keep the foreigners out'

More about Bill Clinton's comments about Poland:
breitbart.com/london/2016/05/17/clinton-poland-hungary-reject-mass-migration
politico.eu/article/us-democracy-putin-like-not-us-say-poland-and-hungary-in-response-to-bill-clinton

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It's Bill Clinton... did you expect anything different from him?

The president of the PNA is already swaying people against voting for Hillary on account of this comment alone.

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Proves how little you know - it's a non-profit, non-partisan thinktank and is chaired by U.N. Ambassador John Bolton.


No merit? It's lead by a U.N. ambassador and publishes works by people like Alan Dershowitz and has many Zionists in it's ranks like Elie Wiesel, Nina Rosenwald, Daniel Finkelstein.

This thinktank is highly recognized in the US - saying they have no merit and are a far right group just shows how ignorant you are. No go zones do exist - but the correct PC term for them is ' Zones Urbaines Sensibles (ZUS), or Sensitive Urban Zones and every major city in France that has at least one ZUS. Apparently, there are 781 ZUS in France. These are areas with a Muslim/Arab majority where crime, poverty, unemployment, drug dealing, extremism is rampant and yes the police and firefighters even have a hard time going there unless they have tons of backup. Look even what happened when French cops went to Molenbeek - they were shot at by people through windows.

Also, it doesn't change the fact that there are no go zones in Europe - i.e. Seine-Saint-Denis, which the 2,200 page report 'Suburbs of the Republic" describes as a "wasteland of de-industrialization," is home to more than 600,000 Muslims (primarily from North and West Africa) out of a total population of 1.4 million.

"In some areas, a third of the population of the town does not hold French nationality, and many residents are drawn to an Islamic identity,"

Here's some articles by the Gatestone Institute - who has far more merit than you do little jon - sorry but you're just not that important or knowledgeable:

gatestoneinstitute.org/2487/french-suburbs-islamic-societies
gatestoneinstitute.org/2530/denmark-sharia-hezbollah
gatestoneinstitute.org/2394/salt-spain-radical-islamism

Sorry InPolska and jon - you can claim that your multikulti societies are working wonderfully, but the reality is that there's several hundred of these ZUS in France and all of them are wastelands full of crime, poverty, and extremism due to all the Muslims, Arabs, and Africans living there. Everyone I know who goes to visit Paris now or just about any other major western European city is simply shocked by how dirty and full of Muslims the place has become.


Then why do Muslims form their own ghettos and groups lik[eb]Sharia 4 Belgium and Sharia 4 France[/b] if they have no problem adapting to democracy and interacting with the locals? Why do they blow innocent people up?Why did Muslims massacre over 100 innocent people if everyone lives in such great harmony? Why are white European women raped by Muslims?Why does the 2000 page report 'Suburbs of the Republic' state France is on the brink of a major social explosion because of the failure of Muslims to integrate into French society?Why are there riots in the no go zones - I'm sorry 'sensitive' zones?

By Muslims we are referring to people from Muslim countries - i.e. Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Yes, there are people from those areas that are non-religious and athiest - and those aren't the types that blow up buses and massacre civilians. However, Muslims do. In just the past 30 days, there have been over 1,400 deaths resulting from Muslim extremism. 99% of suicide bombings are caused by Muslims. Those are FACTS. Christians, Jews, Buddhists, etc. don't strap on a bomb, yell Glory to God and then blow themselves and a bunch of innocent people up - Muslims however do all the time. In just the past 30 days there's been 37 suicide attacks - more than 1 Muslim yelling 'Allah Akhbar' and blowing himself up - you don't see French Protestants or Polish Catholics doing that.. you only Muslims doing this kind of heinous act.


Except I don't... unless you are now considering the BBC, breitbart, telegraph, and other media outlets as extremist website... No one is referring to David Horowitz except you... you do realize that I hope

236-page book titled "Judges Without Law: Islamic Parallel Justice Endangers Our Constitutional State," which was authored by Joachim Wagner, a German legal expert and former investigative journalist for ARD German public television, says Islamic Sharia courts are now operating in all of Germany's big cities..

Yes, there are Sharia courts in Europe - in 2014 there were 85 in England alone according to The Telegraph.

Here is an example of this:
islamic-sharia.org

I guess the signs that say '"You Are Entering a Sharia Controlled Zone" are just in the imaginations of people and news reporters.

The Danish Islamist group Call to Islam says the Tingbjerg suburb of Copenhagen will be the first part of Denmark to be subject to Sharia law, followed by the Norrebro district of the capital and then other parts of the country, the center-right Jyllands-Posten newspaper reported on October 17. Call to Islam says it will dispatch 24-hour Islamic 'morals police' to enforce Sharia law in those enclaves.

Let InPolska love her multikulti France - one day it will get to the point where she or her family will encounter a particularly nasty Muslim male and we'll see if she'll still defend Muslims. It's just a matter of time and demographics... Same with jon - keep inviting Muslims into Europe and soon enough there will ONLY be sharia courts which means that they'll throw you off the highest building in town - that's what they do to gays just so you know.

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And the Muslims you love want none of that - they want to repress women, throw gays off of roofs, and make Islam the only religion with sharia the only law... If you're Catholic, Jewish, or athiest - you're an infidel in their eyes and you must convert, pay a tax, or die - if these Muslims have it their way.

Also yes, various studies by the Pew Research Center has concluded that the majority, meaning over 51%, of Muslims either hold extreme views or sympathize with groups that hold extreme views.

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First off, officially it is a non partisan thinktank that gives advises the US government. It is run by Zionists - so yes, they have a big of a anti-Muslim connotation - however, they are reporting facts, numbers, and statistics. These aren't things they've just made up off the top of their head.

Yes, gatestone has a certain tone to it does not mean that the numbers, statistics, reports, etc. aren't true.

For example:


gatestoneinstitute.org/5128/france-no-go-zones

No go zones do exist - see if you can walk through a Muslim neighborhood in Marseilles (which is the majority of the city) or Molenbeek dressed like a queer with a rainbow flag and see if some bearded Muslims don't accost you.


I wouldn't be surprised if later reports came about of vote rigging and election fraud - kind of like with Rahman.

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breitbart.com/london/2016/05/17/clinton-poland-hungary-reject-mass-migration

Wprost, Frank Spula, the president of the Polish American Congress (an umbrella organisation of Polish Americans, and Polish American groups) said that he is seriously considering urging Poles to withdraw their support for Hillary Clinton as a result of Mr. Clinton's insults.

He's actually the president of the Polish National Alliance also.

Don't make ignorant assumptions without doing research.

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It's up to the people and their elected leaders to decide what kind of politics they want in their country and whether they want Muslims migrants in their country. France, Germany, Sweden wanted a multi cultural society and wanted Muslim migrants. Poland and Poland's elected officials by en large do not want Muslim migrants. That is their choice, their decision. If you don't like it, move to a country more in turned with multiculturalism instead of trying to make Poland accept Muslim migrants - which it obviously does not want to.

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You are correct about that - PNA and PAC have stronger ties with PiS than PO. However, Spula who I know personally, did not want to get involved with this race although the Democrats in Chicago with whom he has very close ties were urging him to support Hillary.

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'most people in Poland aren't 'bog, honor, ojczyzna'

That very phrase was restored after Communism fell in Poland.. before it was 'For Our Fatherland the People's Republic of Poland'

Perhaps you never bothered to read the Polish Constitution - which asks Poles to defend the fatherland and has a statement 'Ojczyźnie wszystko, prócz miłości Boga najwyższego i Honoru'

Actually, bog honor ojczyzna is an unofficial motto for Poland. It is seen all over military banners, ceremonial swords, and not increasingly political parties that are brave enough to stand up to the migrant hordes and multi kulti propogandists.

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We've already established that Iron - little jon still thinks that Poland is this liberal land where gays have the same kind of rights as in the west and that the majority of Poles want Muslim migrants to come and create a multi kulti society.

He hangs around other liberal expats who failed in the west so he thinks that his small group of friends and their ideas represent Polish society as a whole.


People like him ought to be kicked out of Poland. He criticizes Poland all the time and sells the country out to the west (this Zionist is a member of Council of Foreign Relations afterall) and gets awards from other liberals for it..

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I left because I had cancer and medicine was better in the US. Keep in mind the first few years after Poland was transitioning to Democracy things were rather difficult. We came to the US because we figured life would be better there - and at first it wasn't it was much worse but after we made some money life was great. Now though, the US isn't the place for me anymore and I am planning on moving back - especially if Hillary wins.


The majority of Poles wish to keep their country conservative, Catholic, and homogeneous. According to the University of Warsaw, 70% of Poles do not want non-whites living in their country.


Aside from the soldiers who are willing to law down their lives for Poland - which you never would but rather wish to impose foreign views that are unwelcome in Polish society like gay marriage and accepting Muslims. Most Poles are patriotic and want their country to remain Catholic and homogeneous - that is the reality. Yes, Church attendance is down - however, Muslims are just as unwelcome now as they were when PO was in charge - even more so now after all the attacks and rapes that they pulled in Germany, France, Sweden, etc. PO didn't even want the migrants to come in at first and only later on agreed to let in a few thousand after the EU was pressuring them. PO listened to the citizens and understood that Muslim migrants were a security risk for the country. However, you would gladly put innocent men and women at risk of suicide attacks just so you can have a more multicultural society.

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You took that quote right from I believe either Michnik or Gross - two Zionists that have absolutely no respect for Poland and ought to be kicked out of the country. People like them are the reason why PiS is changing media laws - we're sick of people calling themselves patriots and Polish citizens yet continually criticizing the country, saying more Poles killed Jews than Nazis, and all sorts of other garbage - but of course absolutely no criticism for the fact that Israel clusterbombs hospitals and schools and just in 2014 alone killed several thousand people and created 1,500 new orphans - just in the Gaza Strip.

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Yes, but there is a way to properly criticize your country, the president, etc. and still be an upstanding patriot. Michnik and Gross are neither. They are scum who are selling Poland ought to the West while Zionists rub their hands.


That's because they were defending Israel's murderous policies and proved to by Israeli patriots - not Polish ones. Mieczyslaw Moczar wanted to rid Poland of what he called 'Zionist infiltration.' The authorities did a wonderful thing by kicking the Zionists out - they didn't want a 5th column in the country who's loyalties lie in a supremacist, genocidal country. It's a shame we can't do the same today - Poland would be a much better place. At least PiS is reining in the 'foreign' influence in Poland's banking system - that's a great start.


He's the editor of Communist Wyborcza!! Of course they're only going to say good things about him...

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Let's not forget Michnik's father who was First Secretary of Western Ukraine and his grandpa Stefan Michnik who was a Stalinist judge that sentenced Polish WW2 resistance and AK fighters to their deaths...

... and you guys call me a collaborator! Ha! Atleast my family can say we never killed any Polish patriots, or any Poles at all... Michnik cannot.

He even was friends with Jaruzelski and promoted his book!

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And became a Communist himself! He collaborated with Jaruzelski and offered to promote his book. Michnik said 'The sin of Polish society during the Holocaust was that it did not meet the minimal demands of human solidarity with the Jews, even before the war' even though Poland has received the most 'righteous among nations' awards by Yad Vashem.

His family sent WW2 Polish resistance fighters to their death and you call him a great Pole? Amazing...

tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/187076/qa-adam-michnik

However, when the interviewer compares the actions of Poles during WW2 to the actions of Jews against Palestinians in Gaza - this is what Zionist Michnik has to say:

There is a kind of tit-for-tat language that I find disgusting, when you hear Poles say: "Oh, Jakub Berman killed Poles, therefore the Jews are as bad as the Poles who killed Jews."

Michnik - It is nonsense.

Or to take a current version: The Gaza Strip is the same as the Warsaw ghetto or a concentration camp, and therefore Jews are the new Nazis.

Michnik - It is nonsense.

But the question is in what way it is nonsense.

Michnik - Of course, the actions of Berman in no way can justify anti-Semitism. They can explain certain kind of emotions, but they cannot justify racism.

Then the author grills Michnik on his and his family's Stalinist ties (keep in mind his family murdered Polish patriots - real Polish patriots who fought in WW2 - not Zionist shills that killed these brave Polish fighters)

But let us look at the larger group of five hundred to a thousand committed Jewish Communist apparatchiks who came back to Poland in 1945, '44, a group that in some sense included your parents. Did they act with a sense of social solidarity and connection with their neighbors who were Poles?

They were acting in the sense of solidarity with the Communist community.

Yeah Communist community - that murdered Polish AK fighters...

Michnik is a Communist scumbag who's family killed Polish patriots and he accuses Poles of killing Jews but yet calls Israeli murder of Palestinians in Gaza 'nonsense.' End of story - my turd is a bigger Polish patriot than him. What else can you expect from a Zionist newspaper editor and CFR member?

The World Jewish Congress voted in support for the Communist government in Poland. - Michnik

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Yes he is - during the Rywin scandal his relationship with communists were revealed.

Michnik grew up in a Communist family. His father was the First Secretary of Western Ukraine. Michnik was and continues to be a Commie. For one, he was buddy buddy with Walesa and Jaruzelski.


Except Michnik's family killed Poles and WAS THE COMMUNIST PARTY. We weren't First Secrataries or judges - Michnik's and his family was. Michnik's ties to the Commies was proven during the Rywin affair.

Even in the link I posted earlier, Michnik said he considers himself to be part of the 'new nomenklatura'

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was/is a Communist as exposed during the Rywin affair.


Exactly - then why do you keep going on about mine? Quite frankly, I personally don't care if they were or weren't Commie collaborators, however your Zionist anti-Polonia hero Michnik was... again as proven during the Rywin affair.


It matters because Michnik's family was a bunch of Stalinists and Stefan Michnik sentenced Polish patriots who fought during WW2 to DEATH - that is FACT Yet you criticize my grandpa for having a drink with our neighbor...

These articles have some opinions about Michnik's past

Headline is Communist Adam Michnik

supernowosci24.pl/komunista-adam-michnik

Michnik's Red Diary:

bibula.com/?p=18836

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Maybe one day when gays start flying off of roofs then Harry, jon, and the rest of the circle jerk will realize maybe taking in all these Muslims might have not been the best idea.

These people breed like stoned test bunnies - it's only a matter of time before they become the majority and elect their crazy extremist politicians into government.


He's a Pakistani Muslim... like Obama is a Kenyan Muslim...