UK, Ireland / A new mayor in London: opinion of Polish people in the UK? [317]

Here's a map of the people where the Kahn got the majority of votes - the red indicates a majority for Kahn.

It's been a while since I was able to travel and visit freely around London (8-9 years ago on a Trafalgar tour) so I don't really remember which parts had a large Muslim population - although it seemed like everywhere I went in downtown there was quite a lot of them. The last time I wen to London I was limited mainly to the area around the London Stock Exchange. I imagine the population of this group grew even further due to the events in the recent years. I do recall certain areas being damn near close, if not over, 50% arabs/muslims/etc. Even in front of the exchange there'd be plenty of dudes in clothes you'd see more in like Jeddah - something you don't really see too often in other Western countries - even in front of like the Mercantile exchange or on Wall street.

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News / Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights? [1169]


The police shoot people who refuse to drop their weapons or charge at them - assaulting a police officer is a felony. A cop's job is dangerous and we as a society give the police a certain amount of authority to carry a gun and decide when is appropriate to use it. Now the police can't even do their jobs because they're worried that they won't be able to apprehend a black teenager without Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton starting a riot and blacks taking that as an opportunity to loot all the businesses in the area. Everytime a black guy gets shot by a cop, black people end up committing more crimes by stealing from stores. If they wanted to show themselves as law abiding citizens, they'd protest peacefully - not cause riots, destroy cop cars, and break into businesses - stealing liquor and television sets. These people look like animals out of a cage when you see the TV reports showing them running all over the street, setting things on fire, screaming, looting, stealing, and just causing mayhem. Maybe if they didn't do these things then people would have more respect for them. However, due to their inability to act in a civilized manner, they bring it upon themselves. Then on top of it they complain about the white man holding him back and not paying his fair share when actually whites, who make up the majority of high income tax payers, are actually the ones providing Tyrone, Shaniqua, and their kids Lashanda, Shanaynay, and Tyrone Junior with welfare, foodstamps, section 8, government cell phones, free medical and all sorts of other crap - yet they have the nerve to demand more and be upset that one of their 'homies' was shot by a cop because he charged at him with a knife, refused to drop a weapon, was high as kite on drugs and acted violently, or refused to stop when given an order.

Also, that's no different than what the police do in other countries. The police in Mexico extort people and go around looking for bribes and the Israeli police shoot at innocent palestinians. The police in Russia beat people up - including gays for demonstrating. Also, this has nothing to do with the fact that there are far more terrorist attacks in Europe than the US despite pretty similar populations.

Also, that doesn't change the fact that I've cited plenty of examples - namely terrorist attacks - which show that the Muslims are NOT living in peace with the white Europeans. I used the US as an example stating that we have far fewer terrorist attacks despite having a pretty equal population - that has nothing to do with how the police do their job in the US.

News / Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights? [1169]


Sure let's a take a look at your wonderful multi kulti utopia - here's some wonderful examples of Europeans



-> Paris attacks (multiple times - not just the one this year), Brussels attack, london subway bombings, spain subway attacks, rape in Cologne during New Years eve, Muslim stabbing policewoman in Berlin, Frankfurt Airport shooting, Charlie Hebdo attacks, Jewish deli attacks, Jewish teacher stabbed in Marseille, police station attacked in Paris (just a few months ago) by a guy with a knife who was also wearing a fake explosive belt, man ramming his car into soldiers in Valence, Pakistanis raping girls women in England with the police and social workers doing nothing about it for fear that if they did they'd be called 'racist,' stabbings in Nice, Thalys Train attack, Dijon attack where a guy ran over 11 people with his car, murder of British soldier Lee Rigby, Jewish Museum shot up in Belgium, the shootings in Copenhagen by ISIS dude, Saint-Quentin-Fallavier attack - guy beheads his boss and rams people with car, suicide bombing in Stockholm, attack in Liege... I could go on and on... There's been hundreds upon hundreds dead and injured thanks to Europeans really getting along...

Yeah, sounds very peaceful to me - really sounds like the Muslims are integrating into European society just great.

If you combine foiled, unsuccessful along with successful terrorist attacks in the EU there's several hundred a year. Far more than in the US despite pretty equal populations.

News / Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights? [1169]


Yes, but you can opt out and pay a fine of 2500 to 10000 Zloty. Also, an estimated 12,000 children in 2014 weren't vaxxed in Poland.

News / Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights? [1169]


Isn't that the guy who's more concerned with what every PiS politician is doing than paying required monthly child support payments for his own kids?

Pathetic... I recall that he was arguing for mandatory vaccination of all newborns or something along those lines (regardless of parent's wishes or religious/philosophical preferences)

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UK, Ireland / A new mayor in London: opinion of Polish people in the UK? [317]

Poland doesn't live off of Western Taxpayers - the EU gives tons of money to Poland and makes money off Poland. Of course Poland is going to accept it. How dare you say that Poland lives off Western taxpayers - what do you think we are, Greece?


When certain politicians say the words 'worst kind of Poles' these are the people that they're referring to. Even if that were true, I would never have respect for a person who talks bad about his own country. Yes, every country has it's problems and issues, pro's and con's, but calling your country 'a shame' is very shameful and shows absolutely no pride or patriotism.

UK, Ireland / A new mayor in London: opinion of Polish people in the UK? [317]


That's the problem - it's already happening in the US - like I wrote above.. by 2044-2045 (only 18 short years away), non-Hispanic whites will account for less than 50% of the population. meanwhile, the population of mutts that identify as two or more races will TRIPLE...

I knew the US would be screwed in this regard - I was just hoping that at least this wouldn't be the same case in Europe. Alas, this process is already occurring and it is Muslims and Africans - who have the highest birth rates of all ethnicies - leading the charge. You will be hard pressed to find a European family nowadays with 7 kids - yet that's totally common in Muslim families.

Poles do not want this garbage in their country - they don't want the LGBT, they don't want the multi-kulti crap, they don't want Muslim migrants - yet it's people from the West that won't leave Poland alone and keep pushing agendas on Poland with no respect for what the majority of citizens actually want for their own country.


That's fine - keep it in Western Europe and respect the Polish people's wishes. We don't want this crap in our country.

UK, Ireland / A new mayor in London: opinion of Polish people in the UK? [317]


I never said they are - but, many other countries in Europe are heading that way like Holland and Belgium for example. 25% of children enrolled in school in Holland are Muslim. These Muslim families have like 4, 5, 6 or sometimes even more kids and sometimes even more than 1 wife. It's a matter of mathematics - before long white Europeans will become the minority in certain countries. This will take several decades but it will happen - especially if more and more migrants are coming in and they're allowed to stay.

I don't care about London - England is screwed anyway. I've been to London and I can honestly say it was my least favorite city in all of Europe. The only issue for me is that it sets a dangerous precedent for countries that I actually do like for example Belgium, Germany, and Austria which have been invaded by migrants pushing their agendas and leeching off the taxpayers while demanding more money, more housing, more food, more 'free' stuff. This impacted me personally as my aunt worked for a hotel in Dortmund for 10 years and suddenly she was out of work because the government appropriated the hotel and turned it into a migrant housing. So while dozens of people were out of work and now would struggle to pay the rent, the migrants which aren't even citizens of the country and contributed NOTHING towards income taxes get to enjoy the swimming pools and suites of a 4 star hotel. This wasn't the only hotel that was appropriated by the German government to be converted to migrant housing either. The same has even happened with apartments - seniors were told to vacate their apartments within a certain amount of time because a migrant would get their home.


Multi kulti societies have lots of problems.. there's always issues of violence, xenophobia, religious and ethnic competition, one group feeling more marginalized while saying another has too much power, discrimination, suspicion and even hatred of other groups, segregation - each ethnicity living in their own relative ghettos with london being a great example of that.

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I don't see how that has anything at all to do with gun rights?

Mexico and Honduras have some of the strictest gun laws in the world - yet they also have some of the highest murder rates. The countries that are very lenient with guns like Switzerland, Czech Republic, Italy and even France. Most of the Nordic countries (Finland, Norway, Sweden) have pretty lax gun laws and very low murder rates.


Just as I predicted - eventually once the Muslim minority becomes large enough in European countries they will elect their own leaders. In a similar manner, as the fundamentalist, more extreme population of Muslims grows in Europe, so too will they elect their own extremist type of leaders - perhaps they won't get much of the vote and maybe only 1 or 2 MP's may get elected - but it is nonetheless bound to happen eventually due to the rapidly changing demographics. Then you will have these politicians looking out for their own people creating new laws and customs to benefit Muslims but to the detriment of European Catholics that have inhabited Europe for over a thousand years. Before you know it, some fundamentalist Muslim will get elected to mayor (or some other position) of Molenbeek or some other town and make local laws prohibiting alcohol and forcing women to wear burkas. I wouldn't be surprised if in 25 years suddenly 1/4 of the MPs in Belgium or some other country are all Muslimes.

This is not a good thing.. I just hope this doesn't happen in Poland but quite frankly I highly doubt that Muslim could ever be elected to a very high position. Although, we've had a transistor and a pedal become MPs so who knows..

News / Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights? [1169]


Psychologists also state that transsexualism is a mental disorder. Transsexualism is viewed as psychopathological and is listed as a mental illness in the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, under the term "Gender Identity Disorder" (GID)

Look, in Poland it is legal for gays to have sex and to have civil unions. Most Poles DO NOT like gays and DO NOT want gays to marry. Poland is very conservative and very Catholic hence most people believe that marraige is reserved for a man and woman. I've posted the link many times - according to various surveys, Poles aren't accepting of gays as neighbors, bosses, coworkers, with highest opposition 75-80%+ towards gay teachers, priests, and nannies. Here is a summary - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Poland

They have rights - but the fact is most Polish people do not like gays. This isn't the US, England, or France where people aren't grossed out by gays holding hands in public and making out or allow gay people to get married. Thank goodness at least the Polish society hasn't gone total libtard. If you want gay marraige and gay rights - go to the west - we don't want gay culture and propaganda in Poland.

Polish President Andrzej Duda of the Law and Justice Party shattered the hopes of transgender people, by vetoing a bill which would have granted them legal gender recognition. GOOD!

Party leader Jaroslaw Kaczynski has claimed previously that "the affirmation of homosexuality will lead to the downfall of civilisation" - while officials have also compared homosexuality to "paedophilia, necrophilia and zoophilia", stating that "this kind of behaviour, just like alcoholism and drug abuse should not be promoted".EXACTLY!

pinknews.co.uk/2015/10/26/anti-gay-polish-party-secures-election-victory

Most Poles identify with statements like these... We'll allow gay people to have sex in the privacy of their homes and even get civil unions - but marriage and recognizing transistors is off the table

Here's an article that describes 'What It's Like To Be Gay In Poland'
slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/07/16/gay_in_poland_what_s_it_like.html
In 2007, Robert Biedron, who at the time was president of the Campaign Against Homophobia, known in Polish as KPH, said, "It's impossible for gays to be themselves in Poland."

More than 90 percent of Poles belong to the church, and it enjoys "almost complete control over legislation concerning social issues" including sex ed in schools, abortion, and same-sex unions.

Take your fags and transistors to the west - Poland is the place for conservative Catholics who have real family values and believe that marriage is for a man and a woman, Adam and Even not Adam and Steve. We do not promote sickening, deviant behaviors.

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News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]


You realize that the Swiss government actually wants every citizen to have a gun in their home in the event a tyrannical government takes over? Yet there's hardly any murders. Guns are a great things... I personally have several.

The vast majority of men between the ages of 20 and 34 are conscripted into the militia and undergo military training, including weapons training. The personal weapons of the militia are kept at home as part of the military obligations

wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
Brief summary...

News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]


Again - I am just quoting the title... I didn't write this article or the opinions.

Personally, until the government does something about the ridiculous Polish bureaucracy and makes it easier to establish companies in Poland I really don't care about the Polish politicians' economic plans.

The farm one does affect me though in terms of selling my land - if that's what I decide to do in the future. I'd have to sell my land to a local Polish citizen who can prove will use it for agricultural purposes for 10 years and if I give it to a family member I have to prove they will also use it for agricultural purposes (or at least that's how I read the new law ... perhaps my interpretation is a bit incorrect I can speak, write, and understand Polish a lot better than read it especially when it comes to legal language) ... or the government will buy it if I can't find a buyer and pay me 'market price' which of course will be significantly less but that's fine. I can't even give my farm to my kids though. Then again, much in Poland is accomplished with bribes. I remember one time my grandma was driving down the street - and she spent time in the US so she had nice jewelry, nice clothes, and a bit of cash. Well, the cops pull her over and it says her occupation - rolnik (basically farmer). The cop laughs and calls his buddy over - 'Jurek, zobacz to, to jest rolnik'

I'll give you a quick example. Let's say that a hospital that receives money from the government wants to buy an MRI machine. Well, it's not as simple as say looking online, scheduling a meeting with a rep, and picking the machine/company that offers the best combination of price, quality, and service. Well, in Poland it's totally different. The purchasing manager has to basically type a report that they need a new MRI machine, explain why they need it, and list the specs that are required and purposes that it must serve - like i.e. an open seated one to appease people that may be claustrophobic and costs between $900k-$1 mil. Well, these specs are then given to companies who then submit a bid in a way - they basically say well we have this and this MRI machine that matches your specs. This list is then given to the hospital's purchasing manager and then submitted to the government because they're the ones that would pick which MRI machine gets bought - not the hospital. So usually, the government picks the cheapest one without as much regard to quality, ease of doing business, service, ease of use, etc.

This particular was meant to combat corruption and wasteful spending but it's created a crazy bureaucracy. I remember one kid who was studying Poland and got a scholarship. Great student, great kid. Well, one day he gets a letter that they won't be renewing his scholarship and that basically he's screwed. He writes to all these people and waits months for a reply. Finally, he gets a meeting scheduled with some guy who agrees that his scholarship was unfairly cut - he originally says that itll take a month or two to get an official decision from his boss. Well, the kid says he's already waited so long and wants to get back into school. The guy says he'll see what he can do - he ends up talking to his boss and within an hour has an answer - they reinstated the kids scholarship.

Starting a business is even worse - I thought incorporation was a pain in the butt till I saw Poland's laws - utterly ridiculous. If the government made Poland a more friendly place to open a business, not so much the economy, upholding of contract law, etc. but more so the crazy bureaucracy that has a lot of old Communist Soviet remnants, I would totally open up a business in Poland.

News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]

I thought I'd share this -

euobserver.com/news/133337

Polish government promises constitutional reform

Poland's ruling Law and Justice party (PiS) has called for a public debate on updating the constitution, amid a bitter row over the government's attempts to reform the constitutional court.

President Andrzej Duda called the constitution a "work in progress" that reflected "times passed".

News / Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights? [1169]


I've read that land can't be purchased by foreigners anymore - but I don't see how that really would affect me as I am a citizen.

From the forums here I found this - https://polishforums.com/real-estate/poland-new-land-law-legislation-make-77587/

- If unable to find a buyer the government body for land will acquire the land at market value. (likely to be less than current value)

- Any abuse of the law on this will result in land being acquired the government body for land and sold on at market value.
- As land value drops farmers will find it difficult to sell at a price which covers their mortgage/loan.

That's actually good for me - if my land is worth 4 5 mil zloty or whatever and they'd give me even half I'd sell it tomorrow. I don't have any mortgage or loans or anything else on it so it's just sitting there anyway.

Again though, this doesn't have much to do this with this LGBT thread.


Here's a few articles I found from an old election - when this question was pretty important apparently:

thegully.com/essays/gaymundo/051110_poland_election.html

Right-wing candidates, pandering to a traditionally homophobic electorate, openly used insulting terms such as "pederasta" and "pedal." These words, which not too long ago would have been deemed unsuitable to utter in polite company, are now heard in parliamentary debates and even on television.

Radio Maryja dubbed recent developments in Spain and Poland "homosexual terror" "sodomitical unions" and "totalitarianism of sin."

Jaroslaw recently announced that "homosexuals should not be allowed to teach." Earlier he had told the weekly Ozon: "The affirmation of homosexuality will lead to the downfall of civilization. We can't agree to it."

hrw.org/news/2006/06/04/poland-official-homophobia-threatens-basic-freedoms-0

Wierzejski claimed that "the homosexual community's agenda is to propagate deviant attitudes among youth, and - what is worse - they are connected to a world of quasi-criminal character, including pedophilia."

"If deviants start to demonstrate, they should be bashed with a baton."

I'm starting to like these PC Polish Politicians more and more!

News / Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights? [1169]

PiS isn't going to seize anyone's lands dude.. not gonna happen. If they did, I would take the 300k zloty because it'd be less of a headache at this point. That's not the point of this topic though.


Exactly, because it's a non-issue for the majority of Poles as well as the government. The majority of people don't see any problem with the existing laws as far as civil unions, gay marraige, etc. are concerned. Only a tiny portion of the population is arguing to have the existing laws changed to be more inclusive, most people don't see any reason for it and don't want it to be changed.

News / Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights? [1169]


Exactly - because it is the existing law and most Poles do not care for changing it to accommodate a tiny group. Yet KODists and the tiny LGBT crowd in Poland is unsatisfied with civil unions, which they earlier stated that's all they wanted, and now wants marriage. The majority of Poles and the Polish government aren't giving into their demands and it appears that thankfully the laws will remain unchanged for the foreseeable future. So go to another place that actually cares.


As long as it conforms to their conservative, Roman Catholic, Polish patriotic views... which is totally fine with me. Also yes, the politicians have said many things that wouldn't be considered PC by the West - like the example of Jews and Muslims I cited earlier, which again I am totally fine with and am quite happy to have a defense minister who reads and understands The Protocols.


Obama's recent Europe visit suggests otherwise. Then again, he's all talk with no action. Finally, Poland has realized that they can't rely on other countries to help them - as proven by the example in WW2, so actually I'm glad that this is happening. Poland finally is realizing that it can't rely on NATO as it is highly unlikely they'd do anything to stop a Russian advance.

News / Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights? [1169]


Not really and definitely not with PiS. The defense minister has no problem expressing his views on Jews, the politicians have no problem stating that Muslims carry parasites and protozoa and they don't want them, and the government has no problem regularly making xenophobic and homophobic remarks - as well as the common citizenry. If that's PC, then sign me up!


Then they should go to a country where they'll have their 'basic rights'


The fact remains - the government and people have voted and decided - they don't want gay marriage in Poland. We don't want it, too bad.


It will cheapen the definition of marriage - which the government and votes have agreed.

The people and the government have decided that is what they want in their country - they allowed civil unions to appease you but voted against gay marriage, against adoption by gay couples, and banned many other things. That is the decision of the government and the people. If you don't like it, you can move to place more suitable for the things you want instead of trying to undermine and change what the people and government want for their own country.


What about my right as a Catholic to oppose gay marriage?

The fact is, each country has it's own unique laws, customs, and interpretation and implementation of democracy. Part of democracy is voting and electing officials. Through the Democratic process, Poland has decided that they will allow civil union but don't want gay marriage, gay couples to have kids, IVF, etc.

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They'll probably say because there's still racism, homophobia, or because wealth has not been totally redistributed.

Look at what's going on in Venezuela right now - perfect example of the worst things that Socialism has to offer for a society. People need to carry a backpack full of money just to be able to buy dinner yet the government keeps spending more money on 'gun free zone' signs and 'anti-racism' campaigns.

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Straight people discuss this because they don't want it in their society. Thankfully, there's some places in Europe left where PC, LGBT, and liberalism have not overrun the society - like Poland and even more so Russia - which totally outlaws pride parades. Yet these people insist on being accepted in areas that clearly don't want them. Get a hint - it's like if your not invited to someone's house you don't just barge in. The majority of Polish people don't want LGBT people to have rights like marriage yet they keep pushing and pushing when there's plenty of other countries that are more than happy to accommodate gay marraige and all that. Why do they insist on making every country accept their ideals, especially if they don't want to?

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Like I've said above, yes I have - in Chicago and it was only because I happen to be going to an important meeting in downtown and was late thanks to a bunch of barely dressed men parading down the street.

You are right - the people who stand on the sides tend be more normal - with that I agree. They may wear a rainbow flag or a wig or something but for the most part look pretty normal and are not exposing their body parts. However, the people participate in the parade - that's a totally different story. The people marching were half naked, wearing only speedos, were the gay leather fetishists with leather chokers, suspenders and butt cheeks cut out of leather pants. Granted I wasn't there long, maybe 10 minutes before I was able to pull a u-turn, but I seen enough to last me a life time. For the portion that I saw, yes, the majority of the marchers were dressed in a manner more suitable for the privacy of a bedroom - not the middle of the city. Let's just put it this way - it certainly wasn't PG rated. You don't see people on a saint patrick's day parade wearing speedos and playing bag pipes. You don't see poles on the may 3rd parade dressed in speedos and leather suspenders with a$$less chaps.. no because we have a sense of decency and aren't exhibitionists

may3parade.org/en/photos/parade2012.html

No obscenities? Here's the gay pride parade in Toronto - naked people with nothing but a metal cage covering their schlong, a$$es hanging out, impersonating sex acts - look how many people let their butt cheeks show for everyone in full view - without any regard if there's children around... and you tell me that these peopel are normal - yes those on the sidelines perhaps but not the ones marching ...

blogwrath.com/gay-issues/what-many-kids-saw-at-torontos-pride-parade-2012/3103

my favorite is the last pictture - And the postal workers union came up with a cryptic message: "We Won't We Won't Shut the F**** Up"

Exactly... gay people can't ever be satisfied - 'we wont ever shut the f*** up' is a good slogan for you guys

See this is exactly what I mean - when cops crack down on public indecency laws the gays cry about it and say they're discriminating :

lifesitenews.com/news/homosexuals-angered-as-cops-crack-down-on-lewdness-and-nudity-at-dallas-gay

The pride parade rules now state: "In accordance with the city of Dallas public nudity ordinance, parade participants must not expose genitalia, buttocks, or female breasts."

Michael Doughman, executive director of the Tavern Guild, which organizes the parade, said, "police [have] looked the other way for years and years and years, but public lewdness and nudity in public is not going to continue to be tolerated."

POINT PROVEN!

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It's not that they don't have the balls - it's that they care about their jobs. Its harder and harder for police to do their work because they constantly have to worry about their actions resulting in some protest, termination, or even worse a civil suit. Like I said, the police already have a huge issue policing black areas because every time a black guy disobeys a police order and gets wrestled to the ground, tazed, or shot because he didn't drop his weapon, the black community cries uncle and people get fired. Even our police chief recently got fired even though he absolutely nothing to do with the specific case that forgot him fired - I forget which one it is it's every weekend where some black dude gets shot by the cops and the media cries but few discuss that he had a gun or knife and charged the police or refused to drop the weapon. If a cop arrested a gay dude for wearing leather pants with the butt cheeks cut out or walking around in a thong, which happens quite frequently in the Boys Town neighborhood of Chicago, you can bet there'd be a huge demonstration of gay dudes saying that cops are discriminating. This is one of those unspoken rules of police - kind of like not pulling over drivers who don't stop at stop lights for 3 seconds on the west side or hassling cab drivers who carried pistols in their car (prior to the concealed carry laws thankfully being passed at last).


Exactly, but people do at gay pride parades because they have no respect for families and children that live in that area. Again, it's not the majority of the people that attend these, but rather a significant minority.


No you can't - not a Roman Catholic priest because you have to take a vow of celibacy and chastity. Also, the new pope answers questions through questions. When asked should gay men become priests he stated who am I to judge. That doesn't sound like a yes or a no to me. It's a political answer meant to not further alienate the church, which I'm happy with. I don't care if gays attend church and quite frankly I hope they do as I believe spirituality is good for everyone. However, becoming a priest while having a gay lover - no, because that goes against tradition and vows of celibacy and chastity.


Actually I have as I travel a lot both for work and for fun. Just go to any foreign country and you'll see them eating and drinking at a British Pub. I couldn't believe how many there were especially at Ibiza - I'd say that's where I saw the highest concentration.

The topic of this forum is 'Does democratic Poland guaruntee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights?' I'd say yes - the law guarantees it. In practice though, many Poles, arguably the majority, are not accepting of gays. They tolerate them, but they don't accept them. Catholic tradition which is very strong in Poland has a lot to do with this. For example, the majority support partnerships but not marriage.

cbos.pl/SPISKOM.POL/2001/K_049_01.PDF

se.pl/wiadomosci/polska/sondaz-super-expessu-o-zwiazkach-partnerskich-polacy-przeciw-mazenstwom-homo_304814.htmlPolacy chcą co prawda uregulować prawnie związki partnerskie, ale wypowiadają się zdecydowanie przeciw legalizacji małżeństw homoseksualnych i absolutnie nie zgadzają, by geje lub lesbijki mieli prawo do adopcji dzieci.

Most Poles would not be accepting of a gay/lesbian as a boss, teacher, MP, coworker, nanny, with highest opposition against a gay/lesbian teacher or priest

cbos.pl/SPISKOM.POL/2005/K_127_05.PDF

69% of Poles according to this source oppose gay marraige and gay adoption.
news24.com/World/News/Catholic-Poland-says-no-to-gay-marriage-20130211

God made Adam and Eve... not Adam and Steve..


I pointed to those specifically in Warsaw:

nytimes.com/2010/07/18/world/europe/18poland.html

bestgaytravelguide.com/2010/07/18/euro-pride-in-warsaw-poland-this-year.aspx
shutterstock.com/pic-57487249/stock-photo-warsaw-july-gay-europride-in-poland-the-first-ever -europride-gay-parade-in-this-part-of.html

These are all in Warsaw Poland... and all these imagines show intimacy in public and half naked dude parading around in speedos... So yes, these are obscene and these participants have no regard for families and children in the area that don't want to sea a half naked man marching down the street.

All disgusting images - hetero couples do not do this kind of stuff in public...

Food / Is brain-damaging vegan fad growing in Poland? [176]


Never said they did - I stated they were among the first to form animal welfare laws which groups like PETA fight for. PETA stands for People for Ethical Treatment of Animals


You don't have to be a vegetarian to put a dent into animal cruelty. Also, this is a practice that wouldn't end even if half the people in the world became vegetarians - for one you'd still have products and medicines being tested on animals. I think I'd rather have a new drug tested on a rat than a human being. I mean yeah it sucks, but it's a necessary evil. I'm not advocating cruelty to animals, far from it as I have pets and I love animals, but even other animals are cruel to each other. Ever see a cat catch a mouse? The cat tortures it for hours before it kills it. Also, some of the more extreme PETA types are against milking cows and many vegans are against drinking milk - but actually it's harmful for the cow if they aren't milked.

What are the pro's and con's though of being a vegan or even vegetarian? Vegetarian I can understand - there's hundreds of millions, perhaps even over 1 billion, vegetarians as many Hindus in India are vegetarians - plus add all the other vegetarians around the world.

Vegan though? I don't know that seems too difficult.

Here's a source arguing against vegan diets:
authoritynutrition.com/top-5-reasons-why-vegan-diets-are-a-terrible-idea
2 others -
empoweredsustenance.com/is-vegan-healthy
chriskresser.com/why-you-should-think-twice-about-vegetarian-and-vegan-diets

It looks like missing out on vitamins and minerals, especially b12, are the biggest concerns. However, it does state that blood pressure, diabetes, and cancer risk is lowered. I'd imagine that vegetarians probably have no issues with fiber intake either.

See in North America, it would probably be a good healthy choice to be vegetarian or maybe even vegan. Our food, especially our meat, is disgusting. Unless you buy it from a deli, farmer's market, or some specialty shop you're getting hormone infused, antibiotic, processed crap, and even the meat in specialty deli's isn't even close to the same as that in Europe. The food in the EU is just so much healthier and better tasting - even bland foods like yogurt.

Quite frankly, I just can't ever see myself giving up meat, nor do I really want to. If I gave up eating meat
for even a week, I'd probably eat like pasta, potatoes, rice, etc. and probably gain weight thanks to carbs and still feel hungry all the time. I work out pretty often and I usually do cardio only as a warmup and mainly do 2 sets of 5-7 reps with high weights. I don't take steroids or creatine - a protein based diet is my steroid haha.


Animals eat each other too - it's part of nature. I don't think a wolf or a bear would be quite as satisfied with a bowl of tofu than a plump dead deer.

I don't know, I just don't see much of a point to being vegan especially if Poland already has such wonderful food that isn't treated with hormones, antibiotics, and all sorts of other garbage like the food in N. America.

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I don't see how googling 'gay pride parade' is a dodgy link? Also, hetero people don't go out in public and display their sexuality and intimacy with their partner - unless they're still 16 and feel the need to make out every 10 minutes.

The gays take every public event to push their agenda and have absolutely no regard for the families that are there with children and do not respect the fact that it's the Olympics, or a Saint Patrick's Day parade - but the purpose and title of the event certainly won't stop the gays from pushing their propaganda and claiming to be the victim:

Pussy Riot 'Whipped' By Cossacks Patrolling Sochi Winter Olympics
youtube.com/watch?v=eiw0fw_sJOk
It's the Winter Olympics - not a gay pride rally... have some respect for the olympians and the families that came to see the olympics - not some lesbians wearing ski masks... Later, Pussy Riot would go to an Orthodox Church and start singing and screaming with absolutely no respect that they're in a freakin' Church - yet they yell and complain that they got kicked out of a church for playing gay music...

The nation's largest St. Patrick's Day parade kicked off Thursday in New York City, and for the first time in decades, gay activists are not decrying it as an exercise in exclusion nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NYC-To-Gay-Groups-St-Patricks-Day-Parade-Ends-an-Era-of-Exclusion-372311832.html

Again, it's a St. Patrick's day parade - not a gay pride rally...It's to celebrate St Pat's day - not 'being gay and dressing like a leprechaun day'

I could cite many other examples...

The problem is, not only do these individuals represent 1% of society, they demand that we accept their ways of life as tolerance is no longer enough. We give them their pride parades, equal rights, even marriage yet they demand that they be included in all sorts of other public events with no regard for families and no respect for the real purpose of the event. They always want more... now gays are demanding to have marriage rights in Poland, as earlier they said they'd be satisfied with civil unions, and to have children... Some gays even demand that the Catholic church allow them to be priests! You can never win with these people - they always want more and more and more. No matter what they always play the victim card

Perhaps heterosexuals Catholics should do the same and demand inclusion in gay pride parades? We can have our own float with a married hetero couple making out in front of everyone. Except that will never happen because hetero adults tend to keep their sexuality and intimacy reserved for the bedroom. Even the freaky types like nudists and fetishists keep their activities private - their most public displays will be only in a club with that specific purpose filled with like minded people.

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I never said they were - I stated that they were some of first people to create animal welfare laws.


I know - I am only stating what Goring wrote in his private diary. He also wrote in his diary that Hitler planned to ban slaughterhouses once the war ended,


Actually no, the Nazis passed animal welfare laws both before they were the majority group in Parliament as well as after they were the only group in government. Many of the top Nazis, especially Hitler and Goring were legitimately concerned about animal rights.

community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19960201&slug=2311809


Thanks Polson that's very nice of you but I was just joking. Although I do love bacon wrapped filet mignon as well as chicken, beef, veal, pork chops, fish, bison, turkey, etc. I honestly don't feel like I've had a good meal unless it has meat in it. The protein helps build muscle. I'd fell hungry all the time if all I ate was salad and tofu.

Also, tofu is nearly tasteless. I've tried tofu-turkey and tofu-bacon. It tastes nothing like the real thing. The only veggie food I really like actually is veggie burgers which is weird because I don't eat normal hamburgers (I think I've literally eaten maybe a dozen in my whole life) as ground beef grosses me out.

You can even get lion meat - exoticmeatmarkets.com/exoticmeats.html - it costs $5k for 4 ounces


No I don't live on a farm. Although I love animals, I wouldn't keep a cow as a pet but rather keep to provide food.

The 'guiltless grill' restaurants and vegans who say 'meat is murder' and criticize others for eating meat are the worst. Guiltless grill I mean really, so what I'm supposed to feel guilty for eating meat? They think that by only eating wheat grains and tofu that they're going to save the world and end cruelty to animals. Well actually, millions of animals each year are killed by white and soy bean combines each year. So the very same foods that they claim are so good for animal welfare actually results in millions of rabbits and other small animals having their heads crushed.

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Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were actually one of the first groups to enact animal protection laws. Himler banned trapping and put severe restrictions on hunting while Goebels, a conservationist himself, described Hitler as a vegetarian.

Göring announced in a radio broadcast::

An absolute and permanent ban on vivisection is not only a necessary law to protect animals and to show sympathy with their pain, but it is also a law for humanity itself.... I have therefore announced the immediate prohibition of vivisection and have made the practice a punishable offense in Prussia.

PETA ought to be proud of their roots

That's fine... let the idiots eat that nasty vegan garbage. For every animal they don't eat, I'll eat three.

You guys in the EU are lucky though - you don't have the same processed garbage that we do in the US, Canada, and Mexico. Our food is straight up disgusting. Literally the meat and cheese especially just smells and tastes so much different in Europe than it does in N. America. Like you can almost smell all the nasty chemicals in it.

I almost exclusively shop at Polish delis but still, it's not the same as the original.

Well it's lunch time. I think I'll have a delicious baby cow sandwich. (Veal calves are to my knowledge the only animal which hormones cannot be used on for any reason according to the USDA, although some farmers still put in hormone implants and then remove them prior to an inspection. However, antibiotics are not off limits. Still better than nothing though).

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Sorry mod - they were actually clothed.. granted barely so I understand your concern..


God no - it was a google search of gay pride parade - not specifically Chicago. The last thing I want is to keep pictures of such disgusting things.


We do - but those laws are ignored when it comes to the gays. The police won't touch that issue or arrest anyone. They already have a problem trying to police black neighborhoods - the last thing they need is another scandal that they're homophobic because they arrested a half nude gay dude.

Look, I don't have an issue with gay people - they can do whatever they want - in the privacy of their own homes like 99% of other people even those who may be into some of the kinkier stuff. Why is it that this group demands to have the right to simulate sex and dress nearly naked in public?

Yes, many people that participate in gay pride parades will dress up in colorful costumes and march down the street with a band. However, there are many that are half nude, simulate sex acts, and do other gross obscene things. Guys don't even make out with their girlfriend in public, unless they're still in high school and not grown up yet. It's called common courtesy and respect.

From a quick google search of 'gay pride poland' Open at your own risk..

nytimes.com/2010/07/18/world/europe/18poland.html?_r=0

Disgusting male couple making out in public...

bestgaytravelguide.com/2010/07/18/euro-pride-in-warsaw-poland-this-year.aspx

Half dress men parading around in speedos...

Now things more up my alley:

Man with Zakaz Pedalowania sign:
fagburn.com/2011/04/poland-one-lubia-wesoy-rzeczywiscie_04.html

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1.. unwillingly I may add. and yes, there is a lot of obscenity and nudity. I was one of the unfortunate ones to not know there was a gay pride parade and be in downtown Chicago that day. Men dressed in leather chaps with butt cheeks cut out, scores of men wearing only underwear - or even less, and simulating butt sex (or maybe not even simulating - I averted my eyes before I could find out for sure).

These groups b1tch and b1tch about equal rights and dignity and respect and all that yet they have utterly no respect for people who have opposing views nor children and families that are in the area. There isn't even any sort of certain dress code or modesty requirements.

I beg to differ little jon - A quick google search shows the following: (I won't post the totally nude ones, but believe me they're there)

No nude pics - you may provide link to search instead.

They should have a LGBT parade in Mosul or Raqqa... ISIS would gladly let them all march off the roof of the highest building

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That's the issues - it's never enough for them...

I mean gays are even upset that the Catholic church won't let an openly gay man with a male partner/husband become a priest...

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You are correct about abortion - that conversation is changing in Poland now and quite frankly I think that's a good thing. There are many people who identify as Catholics and conservatives, like myself and my parents, who still support abortion as a necessary evil.

We don't mind gay couples having the same rights as hetero married couples either - I think if two people love each other and do what they do in private who am I to say what they shouldn't. However, when it comes to propagating beliefs that 98-99% of the society that doesn't identify with and they're telling us their behavior is 'normal' and then simulating sexual acts in public with no regard if there's children around - no that I am totally against.

One of the more famous couples that felt that homosexuality is a private affair for the home between a couple are the famous fashion designers Dolce and Gabbana - of course Elton John forced them to apologize to their own gay community and the public as a whole.

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...as well as highly biased and skewed to fit one groups' agendas.


Thank goodness there are so many independent media outlets. More and more people are starting to listen to these smaller news outlets because they've realized that the large media corporations are very biased, tell half truths, and in many cases will totally ignore stories - like the ones regarding sexual assault cases and statistics in certain European countries. Certain media outlets are so liberal they won't even attribute a person to a specific country, race, etc. - but they'll break their own rules if the individual is a white Europeans (i.e. certain media outlets and police reports in Sweden).