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What are you talking about? Poland has taken in tens of thousands of Chechens and Ukrainians. Poland is a sovereign country and the democratically elected government can decide who they want to or don't want to take in. Don't forget that PO didn't want to take in migrants at first either - namely because the majority of Poles don't want Arabs and Africans in their country.


Actually, much of the Serbs were proven not guilty. Also, the fact that Croatia attacked Serbia first, Kosovars were killing Serb cops left and right, and that thousands of Serbs were massacred near Srebnica BEFORE July 1995 is somehow avoided.


Kind of like how PO illegally put in it's own justices and PiS refused to accept them? Yes, they shouldn't of removed all of them, but the fact remains PO pulled a fast one before they were elected out.


You do realize that in many cases the government is the one who pays the people - hence, as their boss they can decide who to hire and fire


Polska dla Polakow!! Again, according to the University of Warsaw, 69% of Poles do not want non-white immigration in their country. That means we don't want Arabs and Africans that carry diseases and protozoa = ) The government is actually listening to the people who elected them. Don't forget - PO was very much against taking in migrants too till they gave into to EU pressure like a bunch of pu$$y lipped b!tches


You obviously don't know who owns most of assets in banks in Poland - it's foreigners. 60% of bank assets are foreign owned to be precise. The Warburgs literally WROTE Poland's bank privatization bill in 1991. Our banks are owned by international Zionist bankers - much like the banks of England and the US. It's time to change this for the good of the country and the people. Poles are sick of all these claims of a rapidly growing and healthy economy (which it is - no question about that) while the people are still poor compared to their western counterparts. Poland has been exploited by westerners and Zionists and used as a land of cheap labor - we're like the Mexico of Europe and it's time to change that.


Catholicism is supremely important in Poland and to Polish people. If you don't like Catholicism, Poland isn't the place for you. We are a religious conservative proud people. Catholicism will always remain a part of Poland. It is far too important to us and represents our history, our culture, our customs, and our traditions. Catholicism is one of the most important, arguably the most important, aspect of Poland's identity. (FYI - I'm referring to actual Poles - not the Jewish Poles like Michnik who's loyalties lie with his tribe and Israel)


We don't like gay people. Again, see the section about Catholicism. There's a reason why you see 'Zakaz Pedalowania' signs. According to a CBOS survey, the majority of Poles would not accept a gay teacher, priest, child minder, or even a gay boss. Poles do not believe in gay marriage and do not want gays to adopt children. We do not want to legalize deviant behavior - if that is what you seek - go a couple thousand km to the west. We don't want gay propaganda and gay marriage here.


Good. Serves you right for bad mouthing my country. Take it as a hint that you don't belong here and your beliefs are not welcome here - we don't want a multicultural, pro gay, race mixed, anti-Catholic society.


In case you haven't noticed, PiS along with many Poles is finally starting to realize that they don't really care a whole lot about what Brussels thinks about us. We finally have a government that is standing up to the EU and it's hegemony. A significant minority of Poles is even calling for Poland to leave to the EU because of how much they don't want migrants to come in.

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This was a while back - like around 2003-2004 I believe when there was a push for decriminalization of possession. Most older Poles and those in government, both on the left and right, still have a pretty unfavorable view of drug use even if its soft drugs like marijuana. Some even still believe in the 'reefer madness' view of marijuana. In Oborniki, there was like 4 people in Oborniki that would always get high on kompot and take relanium. They were doing it when my parents got married, when I was a child, and still would walk around begging for change and stealing stuff last time I visited there. One of them has since died but from the town gossip it appears the other 3 are still going at it. No one socializes with them and they were viewed as total scum. There's been a bit of changing attitude towards marijuana but most drugs are still viewed very negatively especially by the older generations.The youth is ever more into marijuana though as they watch MTV and it's all Polish rappers rap about (i..e Borixon, Popek, Ganja Mafia, etc.). Amphetamines are popular among some students and working class as well.

The Czechs decriminalized possession in small amounts of ALL drugs - yet hard drug use is pretty low there. The government argued that it would boost tourism and that Prague would be seen as like an 'Amsterdam of the East'

I think if a person wants to do drugs, liberal laws or lack there of aren't going to change that. Iran has the largest percentage of heroin addicts despite having very strict laws and being pretty much a theocracy. Same with Saudi Arabia -much of the wealthy youth sits at home and gets high because there's little else to do. On the other hand, marijuana is just about everywhere in the Netherlands, yet the rates of marijuana use by locals tend to be lower than France, Czech, Poland, etc.


Good. Those synthetic drugs like bath salts are just awful. There's been so many cases where people have gotten seizures, ended up in hospitals overdosing and needed to be restrained by 5 people


In US that is common. Oftentimes, police won't even charge a person for possession if they agree to work as an informant. Likewise, if a person is in jail/prison or facing a lengthy sentence, they can become an informant to reduce their sentence or even get out of jail/prison in some circumstances. I don't know if this is 100% accurate as I'm not an expert on this topic, but to my understanding that in Poland the police don't really do controlled purchases or use informants in the manner that the police in the US and other countries do.


The craziest thing I've seen on Polish roads is truck drivers driving in the opposite direction - going into incoming traffic to avoid paying tolls.

I agree though, the last thing the roads need is more drunken Polish drivers.

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Yes marijuana is becoming much more popular in Poland. Apparently, not just among the youth either. In fact, I've read several statistics that Poland consistently ranks in the top 3 in EU for percentage of people who smoke marijuana in the last year. France, Czech, Netherlands and Poland consistently rank at the top. Even before Poland joined the EU, a lot of the 'vice' shops like the sex shops, head shops, etc. were popping up everywhere. There use to be a bit of smart shops that would sell synthetic chemical drugs made in China, India or even some locally (i.e. Mocasz - which means strongman) but those are like the synthetic marijuana, bath salt, etc. type of drugs that people freak out on. Poland has outlawed these shops and much of the synthetic drugs. They really are terrible - people go crazy, act violent, develop tremors, kidney problems, and all sorts of other issues. The problem is that the chemists are really entrepreneurial and already have the next analogs lined up to hit the market once the existing ones become banned. It's a game of catch up that the cops and medical professionals play. I don't know why people would even use drugs that are made in some lab in China or bathtub in an abandoned house and have basically no history of human consumption nor medical testing.

However, possession laws are still pretty strict. I know someone who's in jail right now for 1 year because he was caught with a joint in his car. However, he had a previous record and didn't bother getting a private attorney (I don't think he could afford it). It's kind of ridiculous because in Poland if you're caught with say like 100 grams of marijuana, you'll get a much harsher sentence than you would in the US - jail is pretty much inevitable in that situation unless you have an excellent attorney, have an absolutely clean record, pay enormous fines, and do tons and tons of other stuff. In the US, if it's all in one bag, you'll probably get probation in most states. While in others it'd be a ticket - like in Ohio it'd be a $200 some dollar fine you wouldn't even have to go to court for.

I believe there was some push to decriminalize personal possession of small amounts but I don't know if that passed though or not. It's ridiculous because small amounts of even soft drugs carry far worse penalties than in the US or in the west. However, if you're caught with like 10 kilos of cocaine, heroin, or some hard drugs - you'll probably do like 5-7 years for that. 8-10 at the very most. In the US, you'd be looking at at least 20 years, potentially even life if you've had a previous trafficking or intent to sell charge.


Isn't that the prosecutor's job?


It really really depends on the cop, locality, how hard they're cracking down, and if cops are just arresting people to boost their arrest rates up and make themselves look good. For example, the bishop, cardinal (forgot his exact title - RCC hierarchy) of Warsaw got a 4 year license suspension and a bunch of community service for driving drunk - and not just a few beers, like he was wasted. In some areas, the police conduct sobriety checkpoints and they'll almost always nab at least one person a day. If you look up the charges of people who are in jail, you'll find that quite a few are there because of driving or biking while intoxicated. The limit is far less than in the US too - I believe it's like .02 or .04 or something... not exactly sure but I do know for a fact it's less than the .08 in the US.


100% agree. It's a mix of old commie vestige with hastily changed laws to make Poland appear more democratic and EU friendly while still retaining a strict Catholic conservative stance. Some aspects of crime and punishment were actually far more lenient under Communism - but of course freedom of speech, press, assembly, etc. was limited and a person could be charged with 'crimes against the state' for something that would be considered normal today. However, things like abortion though were legal in communism.


No, of course not. We're always right

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Jadinero I wrote above that minor crimes like a DUI or possession of marijuana typically result in very harsh sentences. It's common for a person to get 2 3 years in jail for having like 10 grams of weed. Even riding your bike drunk can result in jail. A first time DUI results in 4 5 years license suspension and possible jail time. However, serious crimes like murders do not have as strict punishment as in the US.

DUI laws are very very strict in Poland and you will find that a significant portion of the prison population is there for DUI. Riding a bike drunk in Poland can result in jail, while in Germany there are no people in jail for riding their bike drunk.

Although yes I do agree that the court system and police is slow to help victims, even after the perpetrators have been caught and there is plenty of evidence for a conviction. I know this through personal experience due to being a victim of a property crime that resulted in very expensive damages. The justice system is essentially half former commie vestige and half haphazard changes to be more democratic and eu friendly.. so yes it's a mess.. government beuracracy in general is insane in poland

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Crime is rather low in Poland - at least the more serious crimes like murder, rape, arson, etc. There is some financial and property crime but not nearly to the same extent as the west. Corruption - perhaps, but again, to a much lesser degree than any other countries. It also depends on what your definition of corruption is - I consider giving millions in donations to a politician in exchange for special treatment for some company or industry to be corruption or bribery, but of course that is common practice in the US.

There is a bit of increase in drug possession, trafficking, and manufacture in Poland as the market has become more open. A lot more marijuana is grown locally, amphetamines are produced locally as well as exported for use to the west or even further processing in Netherlands especially. Cocaine use has grown quite a bit too. This is just par for the course though with more western influence on Poland and an expanding market - it's not only legit business that grows in a newly opened market...

Crime is punished rather harshly in Poland. I believe a DUI results in some 3-5 years of licence suspension and possession of a few ounces of marijuana can even result in 2-3 years in jail. However, serious crimes like murder don't carry as hefty sentences as in the US - which can result in life imprisonment or the death penalty. In Poland, some people with the right connections can even serve as little as 6-7 years for a murder if the victim was another male also engaged in criminality. Usually 10-20 years is standard though for a murder sentence.

The police are also pretty inept in Poland. They will only conduct investigations and put forth effort if someone above them essentially forces them. Aside from doing serious investigatory work, they're content with just writing tickets day to day. If your home is robbed, your business vandalized, or car stolen - don't expect the police in Poland to do much about it. Also, the attitude towards law and justice is a bit different in Poland - people are more likely to handle issues themselves. If two guys get into a fight, there's a good chance the police won't get called unless someone really got seriously injured. In that sense, people aren't a bunch of vaginas here and don't resort to the police to solve their issues.

In summary, serious crimes are rather low in Poland - this isn't western Europe or the US where Muslim gangs (black and hispanic in the US) control entire areas and openly deal drugs, beat people up, commit robberies, etc. Organized crime was much higher in the 90's - especially car theft, extortion, money laundering, etc. Now it's less organized and will usually just be a bunch of small groups dealing drugs or participating in some sort of scams..

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See the headline: POLITICO asked leading thinkers, politicians and policymakers to weigh in on the Polish question.

If you bothered to read it all, you would see it is the opinions of many different, all respectable people. It is not one article written by just one person...

There are some people calling for the EU to go outside of the EU treaty to punish Poland for not following a 'liberal democracy.' A lot of these people don't understand that Poland is a sovereign nation and that PiS is a democratically elected government.

One of the articles says the following regarding the whole 'attack on media' by PiS versus how PO treated them when they were in charge:

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"Our country is now run by politicians accountable to Polish voters, not to German, British or French left-wing intellectuals."

But, ironically, in the eyes of some European commentators, it is Poland that "violates the foundations of democracy."

politico.eu/article/poland-democracy-failing-pis-law-and-justice-media-rule-of-law

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How's Wroclaw stand in terms of PiS/PO support?

I know my dad's side of the family was partial to Komorowski as we're from the same town - that was a while back though..

I was impartial to Komorowski's regime till Marek Belak (JP Morgan employee, World Bank employee, ex-PM, ex-Finance Minister, arguably a Bilderberg member, Director of the Zionist IMF Mafia) was exposed giving control of Poland's bank to foreigners, admitting Poland isn't really a sovereign nation, and other abuses of his positions. A tape exposed a conversation between Belka and Minister Sienkiewicz and shows ties to the Zionist Rothschild banking family.


"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws." - Mayer Amschel Rothschild

And you silly goys thought that the Zionists had nothing to do with Poland's banking system...

The Rothschilds have been planning this takeover of Poland's banking system since the 90's - (Polski Fundusz Prywatyzacji Banków - PFPB) and even set up an office in Warsaw, according to documents from NM Rothschild and Sons Limited (Strategy For The Privatization of Banks Final Report). Polish politicians, like Belka, were more than willing allow Zionists to control the banks. This is why I am so happy to see PiS finally putting some control on the 'foreign' (aka Zionist) influence on our banking system.

From - niepoprawni.pl/blog/6496/tasmy-wprost-zydowski-zamach-stanu - original conversation also published in Wprost

According American organization Global Financial Integrity it shows that Poland is in the top twenty countries most exploited by foreign capital.

According to GUS (the Central Statistic Office of Poland, nonetheless a UN Agenda 30 organization), in 2004, the year of Polish accession to the European Union, the national average salary before taxes could purchase 1,990 cubic meters of gas but in 2013 only 1,386 cubic meters. In 2004, the average salary of a Pole could purchase 818 liters of diesel, while in 2013 only 663 liters. Sure, we have new roads, new airports, and lots of foreign companies. The economy appears to be growing rapidly. However, according to many statistics, the standard of living for the average Pole is actually going down - thanks to the Zionist Rothschild, EU, and IMF plundering of Poland.

The western world will punish Poland and it's democratically elected government for going against the EU, the Zionist IMF, and reducing Rothschild shares in our banks.

From NY times - 1991 -

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That's why we have PiS now - people were sick of commies, traitors, elitists, Zionists, extortionists, and people who had no problem selling the country out to the EU and US...

It's funny how much PO and Soros financed KOD complains about this yet they won't talk about how they illegally appointed 2 justices prior to their departure.

I just hope that Poland can keep the Zionist and Commie influences both in and out of the country at bay. Patriotism and Catholicism are their largest enemies that why there is such an attack now on the church and calling anyone with conservative values a fascist.

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I do, unless it gay propaganda. That should not be allowed as it is neither natural nor normal. However, that would be unfair - if we're going to allow freedom of expressiona nd freedom of speech then surely all types of freedom of expression and freedom of speech (with the exception of perhaps yelling fire in a crowded building) ought to be accepted. However, that is clearly not the case as nationalist, anti-immigrant demonstrations, speeches, and statistics that paint migrants in a bad light are censored all over western Europe.

Yes, my grandpa had a few drinks with our neighbor - he just happened to be SB... If he was a farmer, waiter, or whatever it wouldn't of made a difference. That's what people did in Poland - they socialized with friends, families, neighbors, etc. Komorowski also lived in our little town and bought meat from us, yet you don't seem to applaud our socializing and business relations with him... I don't apologize for any of my families' actions - I am glad that they prospered during a time when it was difficult. They did their part in making their own lives but also the lives of other locals better by providing meat and other unavailable goods - hence proving the inefficiencies of the Commie system which helped to brings about its ultimate demise.

Actually, freedom of speech and freedom of expression is highly limited in Europe - it has been proven that the media has not accurately reported on migrant crimes, the rapes in cologne, covered up crime statistics caused by migrants, refused to cover a demonstation in france by generation identitaire, and now even Merkel wants to censor anti-migrant posts on facebook... that's what the world has come to... in Germany, you can't even give the Roman salute without risking 3 years in jail - and you're going to talk to me about freedom of expression?

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You took that quote right from I believe either Michnik or Gross - two Zionists that have absolutely no respect for Poland and ought to be kicked out of the country. People like them are the reason why PiS is changing media laws - we're sick of people calling themselves patriots and Polish citizens yet continually criticizing the country, saying more Poles killed Jews than Nazis, and all sorts of other garbage - but of course absolutely no criticism for the fact that Israel clusterbombs hospitals and schools and just in 2014 alone killed several thousand people and created 1,500 new orphans - just in the Gaza Strip.

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I left because I had cancer and medicine was better in the US. Keep in mind the first few years after Poland was transitioning to Democracy things were rather difficult. We came to the US because we figured life would be better there - and at first it wasn't it was much worse but after we made some money life was great. Now though, the US isn't the place for me anymore and I am planning on moving back - especially if Hillary wins.


The majority of Poles wish to keep their country conservative, Catholic, and homogeneous. According to the University of Warsaw, 70% of Poles do not want non-whites living in their country.


Aside from the soldiers who are willing to law down their lives for Poland - which you never would but rather wish to impose foreign views that are unwelcome in Polish society like gay marriage and accepting Muslims. Most Poles are patriotic and want their country to remain Catholic and homogeneous - that is the reality. Yes, Church attendance is down - however, Muslims are just as unwelcome now as they were when PO was in charge - even more so now after all the attacks and rapes that they pulled in Germany, France, Sweden, etc. PO didn't even want the migrants to come in at first and only later on agreed to let in a few thousand after the EU was pressuring them. PO listened to the citizens and understood that Muslim migrants were a security risk for the country. However, you would gladly put innocent men and women at risk of suicide attacks just so you can have a more multicultural society.

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We've already established that Iron - little jon still thinks that Poland is this liberal land where gays have the same kind of rights as in the west and that the majority of Poles want Muslim migrants to come and create a multi kulti society.

He hangs around other liberal expats who failed in the west so he thinks that his small group of friends and their ideas represent Polish society as a whole.


People like him ought to be kicked out of Poland. He criticizes Poland all the time and sells the country out to the west (this Zionist is a member of Council of Foreign Relations afterall) and gets awards from other liberals for it..

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'most people in Poland aren't 'bog, honor, ojczyzna'

That very phrase was restored after Communism fell in Poland.. before it was 'For Our Fatherland the People's Republic of Poland'

Perhaps you never bothered to read the Polish Constitution - which asks Poles to defend the fatherland and has a statement 'Ojczyźnie wszystko, prócz miłości Boga najwyższego i Honoru'

Actually, bog honor ojczyzna is an unofficial motto for Poland. It is seen all over military banners, ceremonial swords, and not increasingly political parties that are brave enough to stand up to the migrant hordes and multi kulti propogandists.

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You are correct about that - PNA and PAC have stronger ties with PiS than PO. However, Spula who I know personally, did not want to get involved with this race although the Democrats in Chicago with whom he has very close ties were urging him to support Hillary.

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It's up to the people and their elected leaders to decide what kind of politics they want in their country and whether they want Muslims migrants in their country. France, Germany, Sweden wanted a multi cultural society and wanted Muslim migrants. Poland and Poland's elected officials by en large do not want Muslim migrants. That is their choice, their decision. If you don't like it, move to a country more in turned with multiculturalism instead of trying to make Poland accept Muslim migrants - which it obviously does not want to.

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breitbart.com/london/2016/05/17/clinton-poland-hungary-reject-mass-migration

Wprost, Frank Spula, the president of the Polish American Congress (an umbrella organisation of Polish Americans, and Polish American groups) said that he is seriously considering urging Poles to withdraw their support for Hillary Clinton as a result of Mr. Clinton's insults.

He's actually the president of the Polish National Alliance also.

Don't make ignorant assumptions without doing research.

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It's Bill Clinton... did you expect anything different from him?

The president of the PNA is already swaying people against voting for Hillary on account of this comment alone.

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This turban wearing fool just wanted his 15 minutes of fame - that's all...


Unfortunately - it's been working. The western media is painting Poland as a xenophobic country ruled by an authoritarian government. It's usually Poland and Hungary that are discussed in the same sentence... Bono calls Poland and Hungary 'hyper-nationalistic' and Bill Clinton made a statement along the lines of : 'Poland and Hungary, who wouldn't be free if it wasn't for the US, decided democracy was too much trouble and opted for a Putin-style authoritarian dictatorship to keep the foreigners out'

More about Bill Clinton's comments about Poland:
breitbart.com/london/2016/05/17/clinton-poland-hungary-reject-mass-migration
politico.eu/article/us-democracy-putin-like-not-us-say-poland-and-hungary-in-response-to-bill-clinton

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That is for politicians, border control and customs to decide.


Doesn't change the fact that most people still abide by their Roman Catholic roots. Yes, church attendance may be down but that doesn't mean that Christianity is going to disappear from Poland anytime soon.


And this isn't abuse? If everyone believed in your mongrelization of cultures, there wouldn't be a Christian Poland. In your dreams - Poland was, is, and will be a Roman Catholic county. Church attendance might be down but that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of Poles follow Roman Catholic traditions and baptize their children.

Yes Dougpol, what the citizens want and get are often two different things. However, Jon and harry are arguing that the 'conservative, nationalistic, traditional' paradigm isn't working in Poland when based on recent events - those types of sentiments are actually increasing - especially as Polish citizens and Polish government alike stand up to the EU forcing them to accept migrants. Far right parties and anti-Muslim demonstrations are attracting more and more people - not in Poland only but even in Germany too - the AfD party has been growing in popularity quite a bit.

Sorry, jon and harry - but neither Poles nor the Polish government want Muslims or African migrants or gay marraige in Poland. That is the reality.

According to one CBOS poll, only about 20% of people support taking in refugees, regardless of origin while according to the University of Warsaw's study - 70% of Poles do not want non-whites living in their country. The conservative, traditionalist, and nationalist paradigm is far stronger and more popular than the western liberal paradigm - gay marriage, open immigration, atheism, etc. A Chechen family even reported how its impossible for her to put the children in school since the schools refuse to take them. That is the kind of numbers I like to see.

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Unlike you, I use facts, statistics, and reliable sources...

On the other hand, you use a red herring like the few Muslims in Poland or the tiny LGBT community to claim that Poland is this liberal progressive country, which it isn't.

Unlike you, I have used numbers and percentages to show that the vast majority of Poles are baptized Catholics - to most Catholics that would mean that you are also a Catholic. You however, do not - you use no sources nor any numbers to back up your claims.Show me some statistics or reliable sources that prove that Poland is moving away from a conservative and nationalist paradigm? You can't because there aren't any! In fact, nearly every major media outlet and even famous singers like Bono calls Poland a 'hyper-nationalistic,' homophobic, xenophobic, anti-Muslim country. Google 'Poland views on Muslims' 'Poland views on gays' or anything like that and you will find that Polish society is against the multi-kulti, pro-Islam, pro-diversity of the west.

Only an idiot would argue that Poland is not a Catholic conservative country... Maybe in you circle of gay liberal english teachers who failed back home in the west, but that doesn't represent the majority of POLISH society.


No it's not... it's about Poland's post-election political scene...

Maybe if you libs bothered to do some more reading you would've come to that realization. We are discussing religion only because said


which clearly isn't true. In fact, Polish society is becoming increasingly vocal and resistant to the things that the EU and the west are pushing - especially a diverse society, Muslim migrants, etc. Poles do not want it. Unlike jon, I can actually cite sources - for example, again, University of Warsaw stated that 70% of Poles do not want non-whites living in their country.

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I am pointing out that a Catholic priest drew such a large crowd... whether it's Miedlak or JPII - the point is the Church is very influential in Poland because most Poles identify as Roman Catholic. Yes, it's power declined but nonetheless they remain one of the more influential (perhaps the most influential in many respects) institution in Poland.

Yes, many priests are upset that he says things like that because the church's official stance is to be united with the refugees and help them out. However, most Poles do not agree with this and they don't want migrants in Poland.

One can be against a church doctrine and still identify as a Catholic - in fact, most do. 100% of Catholics do not follow 100% of what the church says. If so, then there'd never be a pregnancy outside of marraige.

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That does not change that they still identify as Catholic.... there are plenty of trannies that don't bother doing the very minimum to change their gender yet I don't see you giving them flak for 'identifying with another gender' or 'not doing the very minimum'

What exactly is the 'very minimum required? Who decides it? There's no scale in the Roman Catholic church, this isn't scientology. You're not a beginner Catholic, an advanced Catholic - you are either Catholic or you're not it's simple. The minimum requirement of being Catholic would be baptism to most adherents of the faith. Typically, once you're baptized you enter the Roman Catholic church.

The vast majority of Poles are Roman Catholics no matter how you look at it though - whether they go to church or not. Millions of Poles won't go to church for 5 months in a row but you can bet they'll celebrate Wigilia even if they're pretty secular. Would you consider those people as not meeting the minimum requirements?

Whether you take a 90% survery from one source, 80% from another, 70% from a third - all of them are going to show you that the majority of people in Poland are Roman Catholic.

According to the Ministry of Foreigns Affairs of the Republic of Poland, 95% of Poles belong to the Roman Catholic Church - a survey based the number of adherents on the number of infants baptized. Most Catholics would say that the minimum is believing that Jesus is the Son of God, believing in God, believing that Mary was a virgin, and other things written in the Nicene Creed. I would argue those beliefs are the bare minimum - nowhere does it say in the Nicene Creed that you have to go to church every Sunday. Formally, baptism is what makes you a Catholic. A study by the Catholic Church revealed that from 2003 to 2014 mass attendance has declined by 2 million people and that around 40% of the population attend Church regularly - a very high number considering how lifestyle has now revolved around electronics and such - not going to church. However, during that time period over 2 million left Poland for Germany, UK, US, etc.

I am not arguing that Church attendance hasn't gone down - it certainly has. Nonetheless, the vast majority of people in Poland identify as Roman Catholic - that is their faith. According to this study (page 212) - there's 33.39 million baptized as of 2011 - stat.gov.pl/cps/rde/xbcr/gus/RS_rocznik_statystyczny_rp_2012.pdf

This is a 900 page article that describes in detail Polish society 5-6 years ago in every aspect - demographics, costs of living, labor force details, pollution, everything you can think of. If you read through this you will see that Poland is a very homogeneous society - most of the people that live in Poland are Roman Catholic Poles - and they're by far the vast majority.... not 55% or something but rather 80-90%+ Even Belarus is more diverse than Poland in terms of demographics and religion.

The Roman Catholic church, although their power has declined, is still nonetheless extremely important and powerful. For example, 50,000 showed up to see and hear Fr. Miedlak's anti-Islam speech...

Here's an except from his speech:


So true...

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According to the CIA Factbook, as of 2015 - Catholic 87.2% (includes Roman Catholic 86.9% and Greek Catholic, Armenian Catholic, and Byzantine-Slavic Catholic .3%)

You're making statements again that are totally different from reality. The vast majority of Poles identify as Roman Catholic. Perhaps all generations in modern day Poland are going to church less and less, but that doesn't mean that they no identify as Catholic or switched to atheist/agnosticism like in Czechy where 30%+ of the population is athiest. The Catholic church is not as strong as it use to be in Poland but it still nonetheless has a huge influence on politics and other aspects of Poland. Poles of all generations may not follow Catholic doctrines like no sex before marriage, go to church less and less frequently, etc. but nonetheless identify as Catholic.


Quite the opposite - if anything these paradigms are growing. If Poles didn't want a conservative, traditionalist, nationalist government then they wouldn't have elected PiS. Poland is one of more homogeneous conservative and xenophobic countries in the EU - most Poles do not care for increasing diversity in their own country, we don't want a multi kulti society like France or England.

Due to the migrant crisis and the Islamic terrorists in western Europe, Poles have become more conservative, traditionalist and especially nationalistic. Poles welcomed the EU and the west with open arms in the 90's and 2000's after communism because they wanted Poland's economy to grow and become competitive globally. The EU gave Poland billions of dollars so of course they wanted to be on good terms. However, Poland essentially traded away political power in this arrangement. Poles embraced the free market approach to economics of democratic systems. However, they did not wish to change their customs and alter their gay marriage laws and be forced to accept migrants. Poland, along with the rest of the Visegard 4, is resisting the EU forcing them to take migrants. Even PO fought against taking in migrants until Brussels put so much pressure on them (I'm guessing they threatened to cut Poland's funding) that they eventually agreed to a few thousand. Even the more far right groups have become way more popular because they are very vocal with opposing Muslim migrants coming into Poland. The average Pole wants nothing to do with the Muslim migrants - according to one CBOS poll, only about 20% of people support taking in refugees, regardless of origin while according to the University of Warsaw's study - 70% of Poles do not want non-whites living in their country. The conservative, traditionalist, and nationalist paradigm is far stronger and more popular than the western liberal paradigm - gay marriage, open immigration, atheism, etc. A Chechen family even reported how its impossible for her to put the children in school since the schools refuse to take them.

The only thing that has changed where the Poles weren't conservative, xenophobic, nationalistic, etc. is the fact that the majority of Poles accepted and welcome the Ukrainians - whether they were economic migrants just trying to make a bit of money in Poland or the refugees from the east. Aside from that, Poland and the majority of Poles are pretty conservative and Catholic. They may not be far right nationalists, but patriotism and love for one's country, religion, language and traditions. These are things that Poles kept alive even under partitions and foreign rule. Bog, Honor, Ojczyzna is what the majority of Poles believe in - that has not gone down and if anything has increased.

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So I listen to a Polish radio station quite often - 92.7FM. It's a mix of talk, music, etc. during the weekdays. On Saturdays, they play more dance and techno music. The radio station's demographic is immigrant Poles.

On Sundays however this station turns into English and is called Democracy Now which is an LGBT station. Yesterday when I got into my car, the station was preset to 92.7 and the hosts were discussing the tranny bathroom issue. Since I like to hear both sides of the argument, I continue to listen to them.They made a few points:

1) We shouldn't live in a society where a person with a condition (medical condition?) should be ashamed.
2) It's not a big deal - everyone goes to the bathroom
3) More than likely, a person has already shared a bathroom with an LGBT person with nothing happening at some point in their lives.

I can understand that. However, they fail to point out a few things.

1. 99%+ of society isn't LGBT. The American Psychiatric Association deems that transexualism is a mental illness. If a person is dead set on using the bathroom with the gender they identify with, they should at the very least have the proper medical paperwork that states that individual truly feels like a man/woman. This would reduce incidents of perverts simply thinking 'well I'll use the girls bathroom today' because they feel like it and think they might get a peep show out of it. This isn't the case though - Obama just announced that across the US, a student can use any bathroom that he/she chooses regardless of birth certificate - fine, but then at least have medical paperwork proving that this person has this identity crisis.

2. Exactly - it isn't a big deal. So why are trannies making it a big deal? Throughout history, people have been going to men's or women's bathroom according to their sex - why is it suddenly in the past 2 years that now there's an issue on whether a man has to go to a man's bathroom and vice versa?

If it isn't such a big deal, then you would go to whatever bathroom corresponds to the gender you were born with.

3. True. I'm sure at some point in my life I've shared a bathroom with an LGBT person and not even known about and nothing came out of it. However, that doesn't excuse the 5 cases where individuals took advantage of this stupid policy and used it for perverted means like filming in changing rooms, a rape in a bathroom, etc. Also, it doesn't mean that young children should have to go to a bathroom and see someone dressed in drag and have to be confused at what's going on.

In Poland it's very similar - only thankfully unlike the US the scale is more tipped in the conservatives' favor. Even if a person is a twice a year churchgoing Catholic in Poland, chances are they still hold anti gay marraige and anti non-white immigration sentiments according to the polls i have posted.

There is a small group of very very liberal Poles who want gay marriage, gay adoption, a bunch of Muslims and other non white immigrants to come in, and Poland to be a multicultural liberal society like western Europe or the US. However, most Poles do not want a Poland like this - and that doesn't change much whether PiS or PO is in charge. People were just as islamaphobic with PO as with PiS - maybe a bit more so now but they still were very anti Muslim migrant even during PO.

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Church attendance is down worldwide - it seems to only be increasing in Africa since that a new foothold for missionaries.

These non church-going Polish youth though aren't picking up LGBT banners instead and demonstrating for gay marriage.

The conservative traditions and customs stay with people that they were raised with, even if they've stopped going to church - that's what matters.

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I guess you could say that in some ways. While I understand that Poland and Russia have a very complicated history and reconciling totally would most likely be impossible. However, I would like to see increased trade and decreased military rhetoric between the two countries.

Just because I admire Putin because he is a 'strongman' that the West is scared of and has improved the economic situation in Russia up until the invasion of Ukraine and the sanctions afterwards, does not mean that I want Poland to return back to Communism or the old system.

I simply wish for Poland not to be totally reliant economically on the west. Poland can certainly gain from trade with Russia. Also, I admire leaders that have the cajones to stand up to the west whether it's the Visegard 4, Russia, or even Iran - who is being wrongfully criticized over their nuclear program by the US, again due to certain lobbies and foreign interests.

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I am so sick of the deviant types forcing us to accept them. You represent the tiniest fraction of society - the 98-99% should not have to adapt to cater to you. If a priest runs a private cemetery or a man runs his own bakery - he ought to have the right to decide who gets to be buried in his cemetery and if he wants to bake a cake for a same sex couple or not. These people have no respect for our own philosophies - it is a private business owners right to refuse service and that's simply what happened in this case.

Of course the western media, and even a few anti-polish outlets within Poland, will make this incident seem that Poland is some backwards terrible country because some gay dudes couldn't get buried in a certain cemetary.

If this was a public state cemetery that refused I could understand, but it's a Catholic one. Catholic cemeteries wouldn't bury certain Italian mafia members who donated bag fulls of cash to the Catholic Church so what makes some same sex couple so special?

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Harry there are some priests that live the high life in Poland, as well as other countries that have a strong Catholic presence - like in LATAM or Africa. If a priest has a large parish and decides to keep some of that money for himself, it's no surprise that a priest can afford a luxury lifestyle. Look at even that one TV preacher in the US - dude is worth some $40 million and has 3 elevators in his house granted he's not Roman Catholic so their clergies' customs and practices. I know of one priest in Poland that likes to go out on Fridays and Saturdays in civilian clothes and take his Bentley out for a spin. However, for that one black sheep, I personally know around a dozen that truly live by their faith and practice what they preach. Not all priests, imams, rabbis are scum - most are very devoted and live according to what's expected of clergy within that religion.


Absolutely. At least there aren't the Muslim 'charities' collecting money for terrorist groups in Poland.... yet..


A Catholic priest can decide who is and who is not buried in a Catholic cemetery - that is totally up to the owners of the cemetery and their representatives. I'm sure that there are many other cemeteries that would accept the child. Catholic priests would often refuse to bury high profile crime figures in Catholic cemeteries even if that person went through baptism, communion, confirmation, etc.

Why are the gays, bis, trannies, etc. essentially forcing that private institutions accept them? I remember one particular case where a baker refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. That is the business owner's right - if he wants to refuse service to someone then he has that right!

If you don't want to stir up a commotion with a private business, i.e. a cemetery or a bakery, then use the public one as they will be more catering to your beliefs.

If a business owner wishes to refuse service based on their own personal philosophies that is his or her right. Just as it would be a LGBT private business owners' right to cater exclusively to the LGBT community. Open a 'gay friendly' cemetary if you don't like the way Catholic ones treat you - or use the public one...

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I personally think that Poland and Russia ought to really reconcile