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Oh, Harry maybe you need to look in the mirror more closely before you call anybody a scum. For someone who supposedly lives in Poland and supposedly has a Polish wife and a child you spend an awful lot of time on this forum spewing hatful remarks. How come you don't go out, get together with family members, have fun and enjoy life like every average Pole? In that respect despite torturous past Poland features some of the best restaurants, cafés, dance clubs. Theatre and opera repertoires are diverse and abundant. Every city features a symphony, musical concerts, festivals of all sorts and forms take place. The cultural life in Poland is more vibrant then I have ever seen anywhere in the Western world and I have been to quite a few places. There is something for everyone to satisfy even the most sophisticated tastes. Besides Poles like most Slavs love to get together, spend quality time with each other and enjoy deep, heart-to-heart conversations. My guess is you don't live in Poland and don't know what it means to be part of a Polish family.

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Harry -That would depend on whether the Pole in question has even the vaguest understanding of the teachings of Jesus Christ and the slightest clue as to what the word 'honour' means, and of course if he has any experience of doing anything to help his motherland; given that one look at the vast majority of the scum who take part in event such as the march of morons on 11 November shows that they have none of those (and that they most probably view Holocaust Memorial Day as a day to morn that Hitler didn't kill more Jews), anyone is perfectly entitled to throw the phrase back in their faces.

God, Honor, Motherland was a motto occurring on Polish military banners since Napoleonic legions. Only Russians and communists had a problem with it. Watch who you associate yourself with. Bratwurst Boy who would gladly turn you into a sausage or soap and... Russians for whom pogroms were part of daily routine.

Don't come whining to Poles to rescue your sorry butt when your affiliates fail you.

God, Honor, Motherland was a motto occurring on Polish military banners since Napoleonic legions. Only Russians had a problem with it. Watch who you associate yourself with. Bratwurst Boy who would gladly turn you into a sausage or soap and... Russians for whom pogroms and purges were part of nearly daily routine.

Don't come whining to Poles to rescue your sorry butt when your affiliates fail you.

Anyone can come to the march of Nov 11, Jew, Catholic, Muslim, atheist if they want to give respect to the brave and selfless people who gave their lives under the banner "Bog, Honor, Motherland" for freedom of Polish people oppressed for 123 years and those who fought Germans and Russians again in WWII and those persecuted by the communist regime.

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Milky is a troll, I feel like I am talking to Jerzy Urban or Grzegorz Piotrowski or some other Russian/Jewish/Nazi agent. This discussion has nothing to do with an exchange of a valid evidence/argument or and opinion in a civil way.

Anyone who throws :"God, Honor, Motherland" in a face of a Pole is a raging ultra-communist who hates the idea of a Polish independent state. Milky exposing his extreme views is living proof that there is a training center that made it's main objective to viciously attack anything that smells Polish. The same people who invite anti-fascists with knuckle dusters on Polish Independence Day and strive for the past 70 years to keep truth and Polish spirit under their boot.

I have news for you. There is a country that is ultra nationalistic, ultra racist, that kills 10 Arabs for every one of theirs ( makes me think of times when it used to be 100 Poles for 1killed German) and has jails filled with them. A country that while being the most advanced and the richest in the region impoverished and turned into hell lives in the neighboring states. The same country that has the lowest rate of interracial marriages and the most strict immigration policies, the one that bars Jewish-Palestinian couples from settling there as well as their own messianic Jews.

Who is a moderator? If Varsovian's comment is not about Poland then what is? History of Poland did not occur in the vacuum.

Lyzko, David Irving and Jan Gross can shake each others hands. He has many, many more opponents across the world then supporters and his work has absolutely nothing to do with digging up facts (he admits it in his interview with Monika Olejnik) but to spread his personal spin on the wartime reality that fits his biased theories.

I am also convinced that WJC with it's insatiable appetite for money (Poland will have to sell all of it's national forests to meet the unreasonable restitution demands) as well as the upcoming parliament elections in PL and Russian westward advancement are behind this sudden eruption of concentrated, systemic effort to discredit Poland.

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Lyzko,
I would gladly learn where I am in error. Everything that I stated is well documented and not a surprise to anybody who lived during those times in Poland . What you are saying is merely revealing your belief system which is commendable but has nothing to do with objective historical accuracy and proves that you are unable of inquisitiveness required to look past your obvious bias.

Jews preferred to render help to Germans over joining the fight for Poland. It is a plain fact. They felt little or no affiliation to our country. It is important to mention that before WWII the population of Jews nearly doubled due to increasing anti-Semitism abroad. Josef Szynkman, Adam Czerniakow, organization Zagiew, Gestapo Section 13, Jewish Sondercommando/kapo, Judenrate responsible for providing the Nazi's with slave labor, and rounding up quotas of Jews for deportations to extermination camps, Chaim Rumkowski running war supplies manufactory in Lodz, Mosze Merin who was harsh in his dealings with Jewish opposition groups, ultimately aided the Nazis in the hunt for leaders of those groups, going so far as to sign their execution orders himself. He did this with full cooperation of the Jewish Police Force, whose leader fervently defended Merin's every decision; Solomon Morel, wanted for war crimes hid and died in Israel . These are all examples that they were not a reliable ethnic group in the fight of Polish independence.

In the East they were a main force behind Soviet advancement. Their wholehearted support for communism enabled Soviets to quickly subdue and identify social leaders and either kill or send 2mln to gulags ( that were largely run by Jews). Jews in the years 1944 held majority of functions in the communistic regime in Poland. They were overrepresented in all communistic parties since WWI 1918 and were working with their Russian counterparts closely over the interwar period. In the years 1944-1946 nearly 100% of secrete service agents (SB/UB - the most brutal) were Jewish. This new establishment was responsible for killing 500,000 Polish underground army fighters, patriots and those opposing the system in the mock trials, undergoing unimaginable tortures ( look up Witold Pilecki for your own good). The merciless prosecutors were Helena Wolinska- Brus ( hid in the UK and died there), Stefan Michnik ( hides in Sweden) brother of Adam Michnik - who runs the biggest press agency in Poland - the one that you call "responsible"??!!! People like Solomon Morel communist collaborators and cold blooded mass murderers were responsible for spreading anti-Polish propaganda in Israel, especially after being charged with war crimes by IPN. Media in Poland are known to be largely controlled by Jews who will not let truth to reach the surface. Instead movies like : the Aftermath, Ida are being produced following the belief that a lie repeated often enough will become acceptable norm.

World Jewish Council and Yad Vashem are political organizations that don't bother to pretend that they are interested in documenting and portraying historical events objectively. When you go to their websites the cynicism is overbearing. It is obvious to me but never to you because you are biased.

You mention something vaguely about Jews in the US. They comprised majority of communistic political parties, student organizations and were involved in espionage on behalf of USSR ( Julius and Ethel Rosenberg to mention just one case).

Yes, Jews have plenty of skeletons to hide and since attack is the best defense tactic we see so many abominable articles, books and movies. World Jewish Council made good on it's promise that it will humiliate Poland on international forum.

Fire away, it will all come back to you 10 fold! Building Holocaust memorials in every part of the world will not stop the truth from coming out.

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The first transport reached Auschwitz on June 14, 1940. It consisted of 728 Poles and included soldiers who had fought against the German invasion in September 1939, members of underground independence organizations, secondary-school and university students, scouts, Catholic priests. . For the first almost 2 years of genocidal activity of the camp Poles were the largest group of the prisoners in Auschwitz!!!

Sadly the winners of the war rewrote the history so it was more palatable for the rest of he world.

On Sept 1st Germany attacked Poland from West, South and North. On Sept 17 Soviet Union attacked from the East. The countries partitioned the land according to the former Ribbentrop- Molotov agreement. Germans implemented their plan of total annihilation of Polish nation as Hitler commended :to kill "without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language."

"All Poles will disappear from the world.... It is essential that the great German people should consider it as its major task to destroy all Poles."

In the first 2 years of the war Poland lost:



holocaustforgotten.com/poland.htm

Lyzko,
Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about and happily gobble up anything that ultra communistic left wing spits out. Some people live their entire lives in oblivion as facts, truth, historical accuracy is simply too much for their synapses to process.

3mln Poles killed by Germans, 200,000 children taken forcibly from their parents to be Germanized and never reunited with their families, min of 50,000 killed for helping Jews alone, 80% of leadership class massacred in the first 2 years of the war, 2mln of upper echelon in the Eastern Poland sent to gulags in cattle wagons - coordinated action by Soviets and Germans who carried 4 conferences on how best to eradicate a memory of a nation that once was. Libraries were burned, art collections, valuables, sculptures put in cargo trains that travelled incessantly for 6 years to the West. Antique carved door with door frames were pulled out from buildings, thoroughbred horses, even reach soil of what is now Ukraine was shipped to Germany. Massive, systematic looting of anything that could have even a smallest value. People from the Western part of Poland were ordered to abandon their homes and resettle wherever so new german masters could move in. This is how my family lost their 13 bedroom home and a lot of land. I am a living rightful heir.

After the war, communistic regime so enthusiastically embraced by Jews who made up 80% of the Stalinist administrative apparatus in Poland, enforced it's rule. All private property was repossessed. People were crammed into very small, ugly concrete appartment buildings. Our home became a school and is serving this purpose until now. We were given priority to buy only small part the land before anybody else just few years ago. My entire hard working upper class family cannot afford it as salaries were and still are so low compared to western countries. In 1945 cities with few exceptions were razed to the ground, a skeleton of a country that it once was. Whatever Soviets didn't take during their occupation (including dignity of 100,000 women many gang raped to death), the communistic regime made sure to despoil. Poland that suffered the biggest civil losses and destruction was prohibited by Stalin to participate in the Marshal Plan, financial assistance extended to the Western countries to rebuilt themselves. Poles were left to their own devices and were rebuilding their country with bare hands. My husband's family owned a home just outside of Lwow. 1/3 of what used to be Poland is now in Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. How should Polish citizens seek their rights to restitution? Why Poland that didn't wage war against anybody, that was shafted by all the allied countries and sold to be devoured by a psychopath Stalin with his psychopath Jewish comrades : Jacob Berman, Wanda Wasilewska, Helena Wolinska-Brus, Stefan Michnik is suppose to pay nowadays value with interest and speculative rent for "occupying" real estate for the last 70 years. You are sick, greedy, inbred lot that never did anything for the country that provided shelter to you for over 1000 years when nobody wanted you.

The three very high level Jewish officers -- Minc, Berman, and Zambrowski -- in the post-war oppressive Communist institutions,
are responsible for the death of 500,000 Polish Home Army officers and opponents of the regime



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Bratwurst Boy got completely carried out by Jewish/Soviet/German propaganda. Are you saying that Germans waged war against entire Europe with 3000 people and somehow succeeded to go on for 6 years???

How come they didn't even start exterminating Jews until the middle of 1942 after The Wannsee Conference? Why would Germans start with Poles? They killed 3mln of Poles because they were so enthusiastic? Why only in Poland there was introduced a law saying that for hiding a Jew whole family/household/village was to be killed and left in a public view. Maybe because Germans were so exasperated by the Polish will to oppose them? They did not form a single unit made out of Polish citizens!!!

Do you know who those compelled German speaking Polish citizens were? Fully Germanized Jews (since Bismarck era) who proved to be invaluable collaborators. They are now trying to white wash the history so nobody has a doubt who the sole victims of the WWII were. There are huge amount of money that they are trying to extort from Poland and much more.

Jewish Ghetto Police, Section 13(Jewish gestapo) was staging actions of sending a Jew to ask for help, if he was let in German gestapo was right behind to kill the Poles, they were extorting money from their fellow Jews, staging a trap scientific conferences etc.

Zagiew (Torch) was a Nazi-collaborationist Jewish agent provocateur group founded and sponsored by the Germans and led by Abraham Gancwajch.The Nazis had over a thousand Jewish secret agents in Poland and some were permitted by their Gestapo handlers to possess and bear firearms. They were instrumental in organizing the Hotel Polski affair in Warsaw, a German scheme to lure thousands of wealthy Jews under false promises of evacuation to South America into a trap and extort their money and valuables before killing most of them.

Jews did not fight. They could not be persuaded to fight for themselves or for the country as they did not feel much affiliation with it. They would gladly accept a German rule or Soviet rule and they did. They were used, lied to and eventually sent to death camps,gulags or expelled under Soviet regime to Israel.

People fail to appreciate German organizational skills. The Final Solution to the Jewish Question was well planned.
They kept the Jewish families together for as long as possible, right up to the penultimate or even ultimate stage. And because they persistently lied, despite the hunger and terrible conditions they were always given some hope that they were only waiting to be resettled somewhere.

For 45 years the West was fed mostly distorted, German-Nazi-invented, and Soviet-communist-propagated history of Poland. Some of it was brought from then-communist-oppressed Poland by Jewish ex-Stalinist executioners, expelled by their comrades during party purges. They enthusiastically grabbed once in a life time opportunity to whitewash their personal criminal record and told stories of anti-Semitic primitives who collaborated with Germans in extermination of Jews. The purpose of course was to excuse the torture and murders of non-Jewish Poles by Stalinists, many of Jewish roots. The Poles, hated by the world, could not count on any understanding or sympathy and would most likely not obtain any help or support needed in their struggle with the Soviet-imposed regime. Many Jewish scholars had an opportunity to present the true history of Poland, there is plenty of evidence and many archival materials still survived despite deliberate attempt to destroy those materials when the communist regime ended in 1989. These scholars were entrusted with knowledge Poles could not present because they were shut behind the Iron Curtain. Instead, these pseudo-scholars abused their privilege and told one-sided, Judeocentric, tunnel-vision myths. They conveniently skipped the shameful parts such as, what was Jewish attitude toward Poles in crisis, during struggle for Polish independence before 1918, how Jews fought with pride for Germans in WW I, how they negotiated with Germans about Jewish autonomy on Polish lands, how they loathed Poles and did not want to assimilate - in 1931 a census found that 85% of Polish Jews did not speak basic Polish. Instead many spoke fluent German. How they allied themselves en masse with the other mortal enemy of Poland - communist Soviet Union. How they murdered Poles during the Soviet invasion of 1939 and how they denounced Poles to Gestapo. And finally how they persecuted, tortured, and murdered Poles during post-war Stalinist terror. Many innocent people suffered Poles and Jews too. Despite imperfect relationship between Poles and Jews, during WWII Poles fought on behalf of all Polish citizens. If the number of known Polish helpers seems low, that's because hundreds of thousands died in the process. Nobody has the right to "decide" Polish history. Certainly not Western museums.This slender of Poles will stop.