szczecinianin
25 Nov 2013
UK, Ireland / The Changing Attitude Towards the Poles in Ireland [21]
The Irish don't have any issues with immigration.
The Irish don't have any issues with immigration.
szczecinianin
25 Nov 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
It's extremely annoying, I agree.
Polish people are happy to work for minimum wage in the UK. Six quid buys you far more then six PLN (according to everyone other than Delphi, of course).
No doubt Bangladeshis would be overjoyed at the chance to earn six PLN an hour (or less) in Poland. And if they arrived in Poland en masse, no doubt they would complain about 'lazy' Poles who refused to do agricultural work for a pittance.
georgie_96:
do the jobs us english are far to lazy to do.
if you want to peddle that new labour bollox, speak for yourself
do the jobs us english are far to lazy to do.
if you want to peddle that new labour bollox, speak for yourself
It's extremely annoying, I agree.
Polish people are happy to work for minimum wage in the UK. Six quid buys you far more then six PLN (according to everyone other than Delphi, of course).
No doubt Bangladeshis would be overjoyed at the chance to earn six PLN an hour (or less) in Poland. And if they arrived in Poland en masse, no doubt they would complain about 'lazy' Poles who refused to do agricultural work for a pittance.
szczecinianin
25 Nov 2013
UK, Ireland / The Changing Attitude Towards the Poles in Ireland [21]
I was told by a good authority on such matters.
you just keep telling yourself that..:)
I was told by a good authority on such matters.
szczecinianin
25 Nov 2013
UK, Ireland / The Changing Attitude Towards the Poles in Ireland [21]
And the Irish don't have any issues with immigration .....
And the Irish don't have any issues with immigration .....
szczecinianin
25 Nov 2013
UK, Ireland / The Changing Attitude Towards the Poles in Ireland [21]
I'm saying that the Irish don't have any issues with immigration, or so I've been told.
And why have you changed my name in your quote?
Can I pick a name for you?
I'm saying that the Irish don't have any issues with immigration, or so I've been told.
And why have you changed my name in your quote?
Can I pick a name for you?
szczecinianin
26 Nov 2013
News / PO-PiS again neck and neck [248]
moved from another thread
Don't PiS currently top the opinion polls?
moved from another thread
What's interesting is that you have obviously little idea about the views in Poland. As much as you'd like to think otherwise, PiS and their opinions are very much in minority in Poland.
Don't PiS currently top the opinion polls?
szczecinianin
27 Nov 2013
News / PO-PiS again neck and neck [248]
Their views are possibly more representative than those of PO - it's a close run thing
Personally, I don't like PiS any more than you do. However, unlike yourself, I'm not going to attempt to convince myself and others that Poland is as I would like it to be.
Their views are possibly more representative than those of PO - it's a close run thing
Personally, I don't like PiS any more than you do. However, unlike yourself, I'm not going to attempt to convince myself and others that Poland is as I would like it to be.
szczecinianin
27 Nov 2013
Study / The worst of Polish education. No wonder Polish universities are bottom of the list. [142]
I completely agree, smurf. Some posters here even set up new accounts just to attack other posters. What losers!
Exactly, life is too short to waste on such trivial things........like lurking in a forum and targeting specific posters :D
I completely agree, smurf. Some posters here even set up new accounts just to attack other posters. What losers!
szczecinianin
27 Nov 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
That's quite a logical suggestion. Would that mean, however, that Brits could get British benefits in Poland?
That's quite a logical suggestion. Would that mean, however, that Brits could get British benefits in Poland?
szczecinianin
28 Nov 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
I'd go along with that up to a point.. But what when it isn't your fault. No-one can be blamed for being born blind, for example.
How about. No benefits for anyone. No NHS, NO DSS no nothing. Boom! 10% flat tax for workers.
If you don't work NO MONEY, NOTHING, ZILCH.
If you don't work NO MONEY, NOTHING, ZILCH.
I'd go along with that up to a point.. But what when it isn't your fault. No-one can be blamed for being born blind, for example.
szczecinianin
28 Nov 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
I wouldn't remove health care from anyone who (a) genuinely needed it and (b) simply couldn't pay for it themselves.
However, it doesn't make sense for me to pay young and healthy people to do nothing.
I wouldn't remove health care from anyone who (a) genuinely needed it and (b) simply couldn't pay for it themselves.
However, it doesn't make sense for me to pay young and healthy people to do nothing.
szczecinianin
28 Nov 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
Generally speaking, farmers grow things and industry produces things.
However, I do know that in some circumstances farmers are paid for leaving their fields idle.
Personally, I'm in favour of a minimalist state.
As far as possible, I would remove state help from agriculture and industry.
It would be strange to remove subsidies from the unemployed yet retain them for farmers and most commerce for example
Generally speaking, farmers grow things and industry produces things.
However, I do know that in some circumstances farmers are paid for leaving their fields idle.
Personally, I'm in favour of a minimalist state.
As far as possible, I would remove state help from agriculture and industry.
szczecinianin
28 Nov 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
No-one (sensible) is suggesting road haulage companies pay for roads themselves. Much of the country's infrastructure, security and so on is the responsibility of the state. As is basic health and education for most people for the foreseeable future.
However, I don't really see the sense in importing workers from other countries, while simultaneously paying your own citizens to do nothing. Do you?
No-one (sensible) is suggesting road haulage companies pay for roads themselves. Much of the country's infrastructure, security and so on is the responsibility of the state. As is basic health and education for most people for the foreseeable future.
However, I don't really see the sense in importing workers from other countries, while simultaneously paying your own citizens to do nothing. Do you?
szczecinianin
28 Nov 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
The richest countries tend to be those where the state does the least. This may come as a shock to you, but as Margaret Thatcher rightly stated, "there's no such thing as public money." The state can only redistribute wealth, not create it itself.
The EU is an unaccountable, multinational, corporatist, bureaucratic mess that I would like to see the UK break free from. It's 'big government' on steroids.
Haulage companies are just an example of subsidies that free marketeers like. In places like Dublin or London the entire economy is propped up with state subsidies. Without benefits these places would stop generating wealth.
The richest countries tend to be those where the state does the least. This may come as a shock to you, but as Margaret Thatcher rightly stated, "there's no such thing as public money." The state can only redistribute wealth, not create it itself.
The free movement of capital means the free movement of people that's what the EU is designed for. With the lack of an economic policy beyond nationalise debt, privatise profit it's not really surprising that people have been ignored. The crazy economic nonsense of the 80s is responsible for this mess.
The EU is an unaccountable, multinational, corporatist, bureaucratic mess that I would like to see the UK break free from. It's 'big government' on steroids.
szczecinianin
28 Nov 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
Can you work out why?
Can you work out why?
szczecinianin
28 Nov 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
Well done, Barney. The history of Socialism 1917-89 taught you nothing. Off to the North Korea re-education camp with you then, and enjoy the fruits of socialism.
Well done, Barney. The history of Socialism 1917-89 taught you nothing. Off to the North Korea re-education camp with you then, and enjoy the fruits of socialism.
szczecinianin
28 Nov 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
Somalia doesn't have a functioning government at present. Did they have a better economy than Germany when they were under communist rule 1969-91? They must have had state intervention aplenty then.
Somalia doesn't have a functioning government at present. Did they have a better economy than Germany when they were under communist rule 1969-91? They must have had state intervention aplenty then.
szczecinianin
28 Nov 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
Your points don't make sense. I've never stated I wanted to see no government, as I'm not some kind of anarchist. All you are capable of doing is stringing together a set of strawman arguments, which you, of course, win. Well done, you.
If you imagine socialism and government intervention to be the answer, may I ask how much time you have spent in post-communist Europe?
No government nothing to get in the way of the free market so all should be good after all you said that rich countries tend to have less government. Are you not astounded that Somalia isnt thriving
Your points don't make sense. I've never stated I wanted to see no government, as I'm not some kind of anarchist. All you are capable of doing is stringing together a set of strawman arguments, which you, of course, win. Well done, you.
If you imagine socialism and government intervention to be the answer, may I ask how much time you have spent in post-communist Europe?
szczecinianin
29 Nov 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
Make some comparisons then, but it has to be like with like.
The most obvious would be North v South Korea.
How about Hong Kong under the beastly Brits vs mainland China?
West v East Germany?
I don't really think there's much of a sensible debate to be had, tbh.
You seem to be dodging my questions. Have you ever been to post-communist Europe?
This thread is wandering away from the topic.
Make some comparisons then, but it has to be like with like.
The most obvious would be North v South Korea.
How about Hong Kong under the beastly Brits vs mainland China?
West v East Germany?
I don't really think there's much of a sensible debate to be had, tbh.
You seem to be dodging my questions. Have you ever been to post-communist Europe?
This thread is wandering away from the topic.
szczecinianin
1 Dec 2013
Life / Polish people are the most ignorant people in the world! [331]
Perhaps this thread could be renamed 'the ignorant stereotypes thread' and placed in the off-topic lounge for anyone who wishes to vent. Any statement to the effect that all Poles (or any other nationality) are 'X' are facile. There is good and bad in every nationality, and we are all individuals.
Perhaps this thread could be renamed 'the ignorant stereotypes thread' and placed in the off-topic lounge for anyone who wishes to vent. Any statement to the effect that all Poles (or any other nationality) are 'X' are facile. There is good and bad in every nationality, and we are all individuals.
szczecinianin
1 Dec 2013
Language / Frustrated Polish Learner -- people in Poland try to speak to me in English [31]
Exactly. If your Polish was better than their English then they wouldn't be making the switch.
You know, people tend to communicate in a way which is most efficient.
Exactly. If your Polish was better than their English then they wouldn't be making the switch.
szczecinianin
1 Dec 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
So you would just pay the British unemployed to do nothing indefinitely and import foreigners to do the work. That doesn't make a great deal of sense.
If you are critical of those unable to speak foreign languages, may I ask whether you can speak a foreign language yourself?
So you would just pay the British unemployed to do nothing indefinitely and import foreigners to do the work. That doesn't make a great deal of sense.
If you are critical of those unable to speak foreign languages, may I ask whether you can speak a foreign language yourself?
szczecinianin
1 Dec 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
The idea of hardworking Poles and lazy Brits is a myth. Unemployment is higher in Poland than in the UK.
No doubt Bangladeshis would be happy to work for minimum wage in Poland Then we would be hearing from them about lazy Poles who didn't want to work.
The idea of hardworking Poles and lazy Brits is a myth. Unemployment is higher in Poland than in the UK.
No doubt Bangladeshis would be happy to work for minimum wage in Poland Then we would be hearing from them about lazy Poles who didn't want to work.
szczecinianin
1 Dec 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
Would you be?
I think Poles are happy to work for minimum wage in Poland.
Would you be?
szczecinianin
1 Dec 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
I've lived and worked in the UK. Have you lived and worked in Poland?
There is also an underclass in Poland. What do you imagine they are like?
Wrong. It's the truth. You only need to live and work in the UK to see that.
I've lived and worked in the UK. Have you lived and worked in Poland?
There is an underclass in the UK who make no attempt to be part of society and have no intention of working - this is the biggest problem in the UK.
There is also an underclass in Poland. What do you imagine they are like?
szczecinianin
1 Dec 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
That's a bit insulting. Do you imagine yourself to be harder working and better educated than myself?
About learning the language, I know enough to get paid for translating Polish.
Sure you know some 'lazy' Brits. Have you never met their Polish equivalents? If not, then you don't really know Poland and Poles, do you.
That's a bit insulting. Do you imagine yourself to be harder working and better educated than myself?
About learning the language, I know enough to get paid for translating Polish.
Sure you know some 'lazy' Brits. Have you never met their Polish equivalents? If not, then you don't really know Poland and Poles, do you.
szczecinianin
1 Dec 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
That's fair enough.
However, do you see the point of paying people to do nothing and importing foreigners to work?
Because I don't.
And btw, I have nothing personally against any immigrants. It isn't 'wrong' to move to another country to find work.
That's fair enough.
However, do you see the point of paying people to do nothing and importing foreigners to work?
Because I don't.
And btw, I have nothing personally against any immigrants. It isn't 'wrong' to move to another country to find work.
szczecinianin
1 Dec 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
You obviously idealise Poles for some reason or other. Either you don't know that much about them or simply choose what to notice and what to ignore.
I don't regard anyone as 'deadwood'. If you lost your ability to work would you be happy to be described as such?
I don't regard anyone as 'scum'.
szczecinianin:
Sure you know some 'lazy' Brits. Have you never met their Polish equivalents? If not, then you don't really know Poland and Poles, do you.
Nope. Clearly we must just have different social circles and different experiences. That or one of us is a little bit xenophobic and trying to slag off Poles....
Sure you know some 'lazy' Brits. Have you never met their Polish equivalents? If not, then you don't really know Poland and Poles, do you.
Nope. Clearly we must just have different social circles and different experiences. That or one of us is a little bit xenophobic and trying to slag off Poles....
You obviously idealise Poles for some reason or other. Either you don't know that much about them or simply choose what to notice and what to ignore.
The UK does not 'import foreigners'! Neither Blair, Brown nor Cameron went on amazon or ebay and purchased 'foreigners' to be shipped to the UK.
Deadwood will always be deadwood, benefits or not.
Deadwood will always be deadwood, benefits or not.
I don't regard anyone as 'deadwood'. If you lost your ability to work would you be happy to be described as such?
Wouldn't you agree that it'd be better to welcomeour European brothers and sisters into the country and export all the scum to.... well, to anywhere that will take them?
I don't regard anyone as 'scum'.
szczecinianin
1 Dec 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
If that is true then your social circles and experiences must have been extremely limited.
A bit like me claiming to know the UK well, but never having met any chavs/unemployed/lazy/poorly educated people.
bluesfan:
Clearly we must just have different social circles and different experiences.
Clearly we must just have different social circles and different experiences.
If that is true then your social circles and experiences must have been extremely limited.
A bit like me claiming to know the UK well, but never having met any chavs/unemployed/lazy/poorly educated people.
szczecinianin
1 Dec 2013
UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]
It isn't particularly difficult to find 'underclass' Polish people in Poland, just as it isn't particularly difficult to meet 'chavs' in the UK. If you are unaware of this, then either you don't know Poland, or else you (for whatever reason) choose not to notice such people.
Why should British people have the right to live in Britain?
Because they are British, I'd imagine.
I don't accept that our European brothers either (a) are better educated or (b) work harder. Presumably you have only ever met the tiny subset of Polish people who speak English well. Have you ever been to an 'Urząd' in Poland?
If you wish to meet the Polish underclass, if you come to my city I'm perfectly happy to direct you to places you would be likely to meet them. Have fun :)
I haven't written any xenophobic abuse.
I've seen lots of abuse from yourself to your own people, however.
One of your arguments against British 'chavs' is their lack of knowledge of foreign languages. Do you speak any?
szczecinianin:
If that is true then your social circles and experiences must have been extremely limited.
What utter nonsense. We just work and and interact with different types of people.
If that is true then your social circles and experiences must have been extremely limited.
What utter nonsense. We just work and and interact with different types of people.
It isn't particularly difficult to find 'underclass' Polish people in Poland, just as it isn't particularly difficult to meet 'chavs' in the UK. If you are unaware of this, then either you don't know Poland, or else you (for whatever reason) choose not to notice such people.
Again, my point is this: Why should these people have the right to live in the UK
Why should British people have the right to live in Britain?
Because they are British, I'd imagine.
but not our European brothers and sisters, who are better educated and work harder?
I don't accept that our European brothers either (a) are better educated or (b) work harder. Presumably you have only ever met the tiny subset of Polish people who speak English well. Have you ever been to an 'Urząd' in Poland?
If you wish to meet the Polish underclass, if you come to my city I'm perfectly happy to direct you to places you would be likely to meet them. Have fun :)
I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if you received the same ignorant xenophobic abuse as an immigrant that some posters here say about Poles in the UK.
I haven't written any xenophobic abuse.
I've seen lots of abuse from yourself to your own people, however.
One of your arguments against British 'chavs' is their lack of knowledge of foreign languages. Do you speak any?