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Palivec   
24 Jul 2012
Travel / Bent trees in Gryfino Poland.. (Any answers) [18]

This was all a part of Pomerania

No, it was not. Torun was part of Pomerelia, Gryfino was part of Pomerania. One was inhabited by Poles and Germans, the other was purely German. One belonged mostly to Poland, the other one was part of the HRE since the Middle Ages.
Palivec   
15 Jul 2012
Life / Is it McPoland? [63]

In many places of Europe McDonalds simply satisfies a demand which the local cuisine doesn't. France for instance has a great cuisine, but their takeaway food sucks. All they have are Baguettes with different fillings like cheese or ham. That's not very convincing, and thus France is the second-biggest market for McDonalds (quite funny if you think about it). Germany on the other hand has traditional as well as imported takeaway food (Bratwurst and Döner Kebab), and thus McDonalds only comes third.

Who knows, maybe McDonalds will lose to Döner Kebab in Poland too?
Palivec   
11 Jul 2012
Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]

On SSC is a nice thread about the urban chaos in Poland: skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=131333

Or "individualism" in architecture: skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=967926

If you've seen the examples there I'm sure you would prefer a few more rules and less individualism too...
Palivec   
8 Jul 2012
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [178]

The north-eastern border with Slavic Polans was not defended due to their common culture and language.'

LOL! So, these Slavic tribes had eastern and western borders to protect their territory from the neighbouring Slavic tribes (with the same culture and language), but they already had a big brother in the north who was so good to them that they didn't need a border? Yup, makes sense.

Hint: the Odra and the southern mountains were natural borders, and the Slavic tribes in Silesia shared culture and language also with the Bohemian tribes in the south.

You somehow forget to mention the 3-5 million German Silesians who left after 1945...

Topic: before 1945 there were German, Polish and Czech Silesians. The Czech Silesians were the smallest group, and after 1945 their Silesian identity somehow disappeared until the end of Communism. The German Silesians existed since the Middle Ages, but they were expelled after 1945 and only a small minority around Görlitz in Germany still exists (also mostly something reborn after the end of Communism). The Polish part is interesting. The Polish Silesians lived in Upper Silesia, but compared to the Germans in Lower and Middle Silesia their number was relatively small (visible on the low grade of pre-industrial structures). The settlement in (Eastern) Upper Silesia, as we know it today, mostly happened during the age of industrialisation. This was also the time when the Polish and German nationalism emerged and led to the known incidents. Many Poles who came there in the 19th century had a strong Polish identity, but their Silesian identity was mostly developed in the 20th century and partly is a product of the Commie revanchism.

What we call Silesians today are the people who lived between the German and Polish settlement area over the centuries and shared the fate of both. Historically they are no more Silesian than the Polish or German Silesians, but due to the history of both other Silesian groups they are the only ones who truly represent the history of Silesia today.
Palivec   
7 Jul 2012
Genealogy / my Polish Grandfather in Hitler Youth? HOW? [65]

When did the Germans settle in Posen/Poznan/Gnesen/Gniezno area and from where in Germany did they come from?

First in the Middle Ages (at least in Poznan), when German settlers built the part which is now the old town of the city. These people came mostly from neighbouring German territories. The next influx was during the Austrian counter-reformation in Silesia. And the last was when Prussia took over this part of Poland. The settlers from the Middle Ages and the 17th century were assimilated, the Prussian settlers were not (with a few exceptions).
Palivec   
6 Jul 2012
Travel / What can Poland do to attract more tourists? Llamas farm? [65]

the other thing I find particularly disappointing is that most cities simply dont have that much to do and see

Oh, many regions have more than enough to do and see, but for various reasons it simply doesn't work right now. I give you one example (because I worked there and know the area very well):

The Jelenia Gora valley had ~40 castles and manors, several very important English parks, resorts, cute villages whose surroundings faded into the parks, and the more impressive side of the Karkonosze. Since the 19th century the Prussian kings used the valley as their summer retreat, and in the 20th century it was one of the most popular tourist destinations in Germany, with direct connections to Berlin. The whole area most have been glorious. But now? The majority of the castles are either destroyed, run-down or not accessible, most parks don't exist anymore, the villages are run-down and the resorts lost their status to the Czech resorts on the other side of the border. Only the northern side of the Karkonosze is still more impressive. And the reasons?

1. most castles are still considered Prussian and German. The people don't see the castles as theirs, and there is no public conscientiousness to preserve them. Most villages have no idea what to do with them and mostly sold them to investors, which sometimes save them, and sometimes destroy them. And the authorities can do nothing against the latter, because the laws allow it that people can do with their property whatever they want, even if it's listed. And the most funny thing: although there are almost 40 more of less preserved castles (with parks), some of them by important artists like Schinkel, Stüler or Lenne, the castle the authorities care the most for is a tiny castle ruin (a ruin since at least 350 years) deep in the woods, which until now was almost unknown, inaccessible and far away from all tourist routes. This tiny castle ruin gets reconstructed now for several hundred thousand €uros, because it is one of the few buildings built when this part of the country was Polish in the early Middle Ages. In the same village is another castle from German times, which is art-historical actually important and was no ruin. This castle is owned by a Belgian, who tries to reconstruct it. He received exactly zilch from the authorities.

2. the parks were delisted in the PRL and, due to lack of care, destroyed. Today they belong to several villages who prefer to sell the land to people who build houses there. Often it's simply fallow land these days.

3. the cute villages are mostly run-down because only the old and poor live there, and they can't identify with houses which are clearly non-Polish. Richer people often build new houses which are often quite tasteless... huge, with turrets and walls, which don't follow the local building traditions and are scattered all over the countryside. The communities don't seem to have a land development plan, everyone can build whereever and whatever he wants.

4. the resorts are often more expensive than the Czech ones on the other side, but the Czech resorts are much cleaner, less chaotic, more relaxed, and the service is better. It's like the Polish communities thought that less regulation equals a better "product". But now they build a huge monstrosity in Karpacz which totally destroys the atmosphere of the place, there is ugly advertisement everywhere, everyone can do with his houses whatever he wants... it all feels so chaotic.

5. there are countless hiking trails in the mountains. The majority of them is in a bad shape on the Polish side. During German times the trails were maintained by volunteers who were organized in a club. In Czechia it's a mix of volunteers and professionals who work for the communities now, but in Poland it looks like no one cares.

I think Poland simply needs more regulation. The communities need land development plans, they need rules to limit all the adverts everywhere, they need concepts how to use their cultural heritage to stimulate tourism, they must work together, there must be superordinate structures to control these efforts etc.. And in this particular case the people have to accept the cultural heritage as theirs, although that's the most difficult part.
Palivec   
3 Jul 2012
Travel / What is the ugliest city or town in Poland? [89]

The whole area around Wałbrzych.

Ironically this area had the highest number of resort towns in Europe before WW2. The potential of the entire region is wasted right now.
Palivec   
23 Nov 2011
Life / Polish and Czechs [190]

Additionally, they are quite similar to us in culture, and really are our Slavic sisters/brothers.

LOL! Czechs are Europes most agnostic nation, while Poles are Europes most religious nation.
And I suppose Czechs have pretty good relations with every nation of the world, since most people will agree that Prague is very beautiful.
:D
Palivec   
14 Nov 2011
USA, Canada / Going back to the Old Country of Poland after more than 25 years! (from USA) [249]

The town hall in Wroclaw is German architecture and not Polish, no?

Of course. Silesia was part of Bohemia. It's closely related to Bohemian (+Upper Lusatian) and Saxon architecture, as most of the craftsmen who expanded the town hall between 1480 and 1520 came from there.
Palivec   
7 Nov 2011
History / Should Poland organize March of the Living in Volhynia and Eastern Lesser Poland? [27]

The genocide of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Lesser Poland perpetrated by Ukrainian nationalists bears striking resemblance to Holocaust.

Was it based on the ideology of racial superiority, with the goal to annihilate the entire race, and not only the entire race but also to destroy the culture?
Palivec   
2 Nov 2011
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

My sources said Zittau had a lot of Czechs, I suspect four of them did at any rate after being sacked by the Hussites in the 1430s.

None of the Upper Lusatian towns ever had a larger Czech minority. It doesn't make sense since the settlement history was totally different. Czechs didn't settle in these border forests, and they also didn't settle north of these forests. The Hussites also only plundered these towns. A de-Germanization only happened in regions were the German element was not strong, i.e. parts of Bohemia and Upper Silesia. The latter was partly Czechified, a fact almost forgotten today.

Many Protestant Czechs however fled to Upper Lusatia during the counter-reformation, and Zittau for example had a small Czech community until the late 19th century. Zittau also owns parts of Pragues cathedral treasury, since the canons fled to the town during the Hussite wars.

I only know this because I worked in this region for some time (EU programs) and bought a few books there, mainly German ones. And since you said you read many Czech and Polish historians: I hope you know that history books from Communist times should be avoided?!
Palivec   
1 Nov 2011
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Oh , really , why do Germans claim Kopernik to be German if he was born in Poland .

Because Poland was a multiethnic country maybe? Lucas Watzenrode, Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit, Arthur Schopenhauer and Andreas Schlüter were born in Poland. Are they Poles?
Palivec   
1 Nov 2011
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Zittau, like the Bohemian towns south of the border, was mostly German too, unlike the other Upper Lusatian towns it was just part of Bohemia proper for some time. Bautzen and Kamenz on the other hand had a large Sorbian population.
Palivec   
1 Nov 2011
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Copernicus decided who he was when he fought for the Polish king in defence of Olsztyn against the German knights. Nothing can be clearer than that.

You forgot a little detail: the overwhelming majority of the bishopric were Germans. Did they turn into Poles too when they fought against the Order?
Palivec   
1 Nov 2011
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Mikołaj Kopernik is Polish pretty much in the same way as Isaac Newton was British Jew , according to Jewish law .

According to Jewish law someone is Jewish if his or her mother was a Jew. The mother of Kopernik(us) was German. :D
Palivec   
31 Oct 2011
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Don't forget the Teutonic Knights killed 10,000 people in Danzig in 1308, and killed most of the City Council in 1412. This is why the towns turned against the Order.

As someone who calls himself an expert you should know that the 10.000 people are propaganda, like the propaganda of the Order who said they killed 16 people. And no, they didn't turn against the Order because of a bunch of killed council men but because the Order raised taxes and because of inner struggles.

Ethnicity was not the same concept in the 15th and 16th Century as it is today. Poland and German were languague groups, cultural identities to some extent.

I think it is unfortunate however to deny the historical reality that many Germans elected to join Poland voluntarily and rejected the aggressive type of German nationalism represented by the Teutonic Knights

So, ethnicity in the modern sense didn't exist, cultural identities only to some extent, yet the order represented "German nationalism". Ahhm, what?
Palivec   
18 Oct 2011
History / Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science) [180]

Poland has an element named after it in the periodic table. Tell me, how many other countries have something like that?

Oh wow, lol.
And to answer your question: Unites States, France, Germany, AFAIK.

To further strenghten your argument you could count how many elements were discovered by Poles. :D
Palivec   
13 Oct 2011
History / Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science) [180]

What's the reason for this?

Poland was less urbanized (don't know the exact numbers, but the eastern part was 27% vs. 44% for Eastern Germany). Poland was also controlled by foreign powers (which didn't invest in education for Poles) during the 19th and early 20th century, when science literally exploded. That's why most educational institutions in Poland were founded only after 1918, and soon after Poland became part of the Soviet block, which wasn't interested in high education for the masses.
Palivec   
11 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

Palivec - we can't even talk about Polska A an B anymore! Poland is firmly behind PO - that much is obvious.

Lets try a different map...

I still see German Poland and Russian Poland, lol...
Palivec   
10 Oct 2011
USA, Canada / US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński [343]

The benefit of distance gives US Poloninas a better overview of what it's all about. And selling off Poland's last remaining assets to foreign interests, which the Tusk gang is so keen on, is not a good career move for Poland.

You summed it up perfectly. Americans have no clue about the EU and modern Europe. When Europeans talk about integration and collaboration all Americans understand is losing sovereignty. The concept of the EU is simply to much for a nation (=USofA) where 70% of the inhabitants don't own a passport and never crossed a border.