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I wonder, if stated facts are true, then why didn't EU step in?

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Don't hide behind "facts". Your almost every comment is full of hate.


Insults and only insults. Do you have any real proof of nationalities in those regions. 1931 census doesn't count.


Then maybe you should tell us all why EU doesn't step in? Did you read said treaty? I read it all and couldn't find any article that was violated, yet Poland violated at least one (poke it's nose in Lithuania's internal matters)


What does my father have to do with you spreading hatred and lies?

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And which history books are not biased?


And what political party has highest influence in Vilnius region? As far as i know it is your beloved AWPL. Ask Tomaszewski where is land that poles can't get back.

To mods: This thread is intentionally created to cause hatred, please close it.

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Oh, misread that one. Still throwing insults is your feat.


Well, i don't know, maybe there is nothing violated...


Lets see, one of articles in the treaty says that each country will deal with it's internal matters itself, without any influence from other country. Political pressure from Poland, demands, threats looks like intervention to other countries courtyard, or maybe i am wrong... Enlighten us oh the wisest Ironside

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And what do you think? We communicate in written form not in verbal :D

Actually, delphiandomine has point. Are there many people in Poland who refuse to learn polish and yet they live in Poland?

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Ah, yes, take half sentence and make it the way it suits you. If you are so all knowing then tell us, not bask in your ignorance.


And your posts are very informative, right?

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And how many would go to those courses? I guess very few

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Not all are fluent in lithuanian language. If they are fluent, why should they get easier exams? Thing is, they used to learn all subjects except lithuanian language in polish, while in Poland it is otherwise.

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Well, before all that "discrimination" crap started, most lithuanians were sympathetic or neutral towards poles. After Tomasevski and Sikorski show, approval went down. Say thanks to those guys.

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Nothing in article 13.
Article 14 has smth to say about use of surnames in minority language, but also states that this must be agreed in other treaties, which i know none of.

Hm, not sure about article 15. Maybe you could point me a problem?
Article 20. Poland clearly violates it. Lithuanian minority has severe lack of books, schools underfunded, no new educational books were approved for at least a year. Lithuania had to devote 300k lt to fund those schools, otherwise they would be closed.

:DD Then maybe you should use communist Poland history and claim that 1945 elections were the most democratic?


Look up, near article 20.

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He could have left those territories to Lithuania and have a friend instead of enemy. That would have benefited the whole region.


Yeah, yeah, keep babbling.


And what is the true history? History made by you?


Maybe you should go out for a bit, talk with people, see that there is world around you, not only propaganda you believe so much. Or maybe you just need a girlfriend... xDD

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Denial? You are the one who use same sources that were agreed to biased when all that "discrimination" crap started, yet you use them again. Can you prove that lithuanians constituted only 6% and the rest were poles? From what i read, lithuanians were at least 25%, poles 30%, the rest were jews and belarussians. I won't bother writing the names of books, because you would start screaming that those are biased and writen by nationalists xD


You can't even write my nickname correctly, maybe you should go to school and learn a bit more.

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Prove those 3%, then babble. If you are so all knowing, why aren't you polish PM?


Describing your life, aren't you Ironside? What does letuwin mean?

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I already asked him at least twice. His answer was: i know, you must find out. In short: nothing is violated, so no need for EU to interfere. ironside knows only one truth: the one that suits him and his fantasies.

Ironside, look at this: zum.de/whkmla/region/russia/xgovvilna.html, looks like third party source. Although i am sure you will start crying that it is biased :D

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Once i find a book written not by lithuanians or poles, i would post its name. You could do the same.


So i should understand this babbling as "lithuanian"?

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Not every pole is lying, only you. Did you look in to my linked material?

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Well, lithuanian exam has 2 parts: grammar test and interpretation. You don't have to know every literature book. Many poles have difficulties writing in lithuanian, part of them hardly speaks lithuanian. It is enough to listen to Tomasevski, his speech is far from perfect.

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No one forces you to be Brazaukas, you can be Brzozovski (w is not in lithuanian aphabet). Lithuanian suffixes are not a must. I have plenty of neighbors who have their surnames ending -ski, -in, -ko and other.

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Vilnius city had majority of jews (>50%) before ww1, however surrounding lands (80% of population lived NOT in cities) had more lithuanians than poles. After Zeligowski afair, number of lithuanians started to diminish due to oppression, polonisation, colonization, mass migration and other factors. No wonder lithuanians contituted minority at the start of ww2.


That area had strong lithuanian majority, so wonder there.

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When independence was declared, it was common to lithuanize surnames, but still people had choice (my neighbor experienced that), few years later, no one continued that practice. If your surname is russian, it will stay the same, except for lithuanian letters.

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Strong polish minority near Kaunas? Max 5%, i wouldn't give more.

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And what census is 100% right? If you would use 1921, then it is obvious it was "fixed", Lithuania and Poland were battling over that region in League of Nations, so the more you have your people there, the better is your claim.


Of course they had majority. Lithuanian teachers, priests imprisoned, simple lithuanian folk oppressed. What do you expect?

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I don't see why it couldn't be written.

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What kind of surname endings (-ses) are these?

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Before ww2, yes, before ww1, no.

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before ww2 not ww1.

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Look, we can argue about who was majority for whole eternity. I use my books, you use yours. How it was really, i doubt we will ever know for sure. Those times were dark and history was written by those who controlled the land. Fact is, Vilnius is now in Lithuania. As for "discrimination", it is only used when elections are happening. Just look how it got silent, once elections ended in Poland. Apart from Sikorski, nobody gives a damn.

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I guess he meant local yellow press :D

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Yes, some make waves. But it is mostly nationalists or politicians like Tomasevski. But stick has two ends. His allies are now abandoning him, because he does nothing but causes hatred. Every country has it's internal problems, so there is no need to intervene in to neighbors backyard. It only makes worse.


There was a project to create a state with Belarus, but politicians had disagreements, then came soviets and all ended.

Also, did you know that when AWPL made protest in september, children were brought and used for propaganda purposes. Most of them even didn't know why they came there.

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Showed on the news, wrote in newspaper and net was full of comments, one of my friend's work is near by, so he shared impressions. One episode in the news: journalist comes near a couple of children who hold a poster written in polish. He asks them what are they protesting against. They answer that they were offered opportunity to visit Vilnius, but now they are here, although don't know why.