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Alligator   
8 Apr 2012
Life / Lodz vs Wroclaw - difference in mentality of people? [53]

£ódź is the most depressing city I have ever been. Go for Wrocław, Kraków or any other Polish city and you can be sure that it will be always better choice than £ódź. I don't know the suicidal rates of £ódź but they are for sure higher than in any other Polish city. Recently I was there for few days and couln't imagine how £odzianie are able to live there. Sad but true.
Alligator   
8 Apr 2012
Life / Lodz vs Wroclaw - difference in mentality of people? [53]

Every city have propaganda pictures. You intentions might be good, but seriously £ódź is ugly and depressing.
Here is movie with a promising title "Ziemia obiecana 2" about how £ódź really looks like:

youtu.be/8pk7ukm09aI

My previous statement is justified.
In my case if Russians would want to exile me in the indefinite future ;), they should choose not Siberia but £ódź. It will be a more severe punishment for me.
Alligator   
8 Apr 2012
Life / Lodz vs Wroclaw - difference in mentality of people? [53]

Maybe first 3 min. can be found in other cities. After that is only plain and ugly £ódź in its best. Seriously the pictures you posted were taken in the city center. 1 meter from center is kilometers of ugly £ódź. Unfortunately I have been there, I know what I'm talking about.
Alligator   
9 Apr 2012
Life / Lodz vs Wroclaw - difference in mentality of people? [53]

Not only 1 meter from the centre but in the very centre there are kilometers of ugly Krakow.

The only difference is that Krakow`s ugliness is historic while £odź`s not. :):):):)

I don't know what ugliness in Kraków center you are talking, but since everybody have their unique taste...
£ódź ugliness is also historic, something like XIX-century ugliness.

Alligator: Unfortunately I have been there, I know what I'm talking about.

So have I. :):):):):)

When you have been in £ódź, you had to wear pink glasses all the time, because what I saw is rather different, from what you saw.

Its pity for £ódź, that it is located in the same province as Warsaw. All the money goes to capital and not much is left to this city. If they had their own province the situation would be different.

I remember that when the administration reform was introduced, Kielce fought to have separate province from Kraków. That was a good choice, bigger and more important city would have outflow all the money and vitality from the smaller city.

£ódź unfortunately don't have it's own province and as a result is deteriorating.
Alligator   
9 Apr 2012
Life / Lodz vs Wroclaw - difference in mentality of people? [53]

Czestochowa.

Thats a no, no, no...
Apparently you never lived there.
There are several thing you can't do when you live near the spiritual capital of a country. To go there as a tourist or pilgrim is one thing, but to live there is completly another thing.

Personaly I pity people who live in Częstochowa, £ódź and Oświęcim.
Alligator   
9 Apr 2012
Life / Lodz vs Wroclaw - difference in mentality of people? [53]

Try the article in "Polityka" : "Boat people, life in the trains £ódź-Warszawa". I

Very interesting article. Each day 250 thousand people from £ódź goes to Warsaw to work there.
For me it would be a terrible perspective. I like to travel ;) but thats to much...
Alligator   
9 Apr 2012
Life / Lodz vs Wroclaw - difference in mentality of people? [53]

They were quite right. Krakow doesn`t need those Russians from former Russian partition. :)

A priest from a village near Gniezno told me once how people from there called people from near village - Słupca. They called them Poles :)

Near Słupca was once border between Prussian and Russian annexed territories...
Alligator   
9 Apr 2012
Life / Lodz vs Wroclaw - difference in mentality of people? [53]

No premarital sex? Half the the people I met had children and werent married. No drinking?

Well you can drink, have fun, but there are more restricions on that than in any other place in Poland. For example you have there clubs but they are under more control and restrictions and they are open seldomly than anywhere else.

The way of private life is also under more scrutinity. I'm not talking here about people who actually live there, but those who come there as pilgrims. They are coming there because of sanctuary and are behaving more zelaously than normally. They also tend to impose the same behaviour on others. If you live near sanctuary it is nothing new to you and you also behave normally. You sometimes drink, have fun and wear more reveling clothes in the summer. Pilgrims sometimes have problem with that. Thats all I wanted to point out.

People from Częstochowa are sick and tired of this, so if you will talk to them you will see that they have even more liberal views than other Poles. It's a reaction to strict rules that clergy and pilgrims are imposing on them.
Alligator   
12 Apr 2012
Po polsku / Jaki seriale polecacie dla dorosłych? [30]

A teraz coś z zupełnie innej beczki ;) Prawdziwy serial dla dorosłych;)

Porządny polski serial sensacyjny o mafii z Pruszkowa i Wołomina, czyli "Odwróceni".
Film ("Świadek koronny") im wyszedł gorszy, ze względu na jak zwykle wspaniałą i poruszającą grę Pierwszego Drewnianego Aktora Polski, czyli oczywiście Małaszyńskiego :( ale serial jest bardzo dobry, polecam.

Całość jest dostępna na youtubie i tvn. Tu są linki:

youtube.com/watch?v=lDvEyMiPpnc
tvnplayer.pl/seriale-online/odwroceni-odcinki,18/
Alligator   
12 Apr 2012
News / Presidential elections and debates 2015 Poland [472]

As to whether he can be a stronger figure - that would depend on the internal dynamics within the party.

No, it depends solely on constitution. sejm.gov.pl/prawo/konst/angielski/kon1.htm

All he can really do is veto new laws

His veto can be outvoted in next round of voting in Parliament. He really can't do much, thats why national presidential elections in Poland are absurd. In national elections we choose person with almost no prerogatives.

In my opinion president should be choosen by Parliament.

He have only representative role, Top Model would do just fine as president;)
Alligator   
12 Apr 2012
News / Presidential elections and debates 2015 Poland [472]

Really?

Article 126 "The President of the Republic of Poland shall be the supreme representative of the Republic of Poland"
:D
just joking... but seriously, he really can't do much.

Polish Presidents plays a minor role which sometimes turns out significant.

I wouldn't exaggerate his role. Sometimes is rarely or almost never.
Alligator   
13 Apr 2012
News / Presidential elections and debates 2015 Poland [472]

Even talking about a 'fourth republic'.

France changed the number of republic many times.
Kaczyński wanted to change constitution and whole Poland (moraly- whatever he meant by this). The different number was meant to be a visible sign of significant change, just like in France.

Poles never really were convinced to change the number (even the supporters of Kaczyński brothers). The number of Polish republic changed only when the independence was restored: I Republic ended in 1795, the second Republic was restored in 1918 and the third in 1989.

As you can see the change in constitution would be a minor change in comparison to restoration of independence. Because of that the change of republic number was unjustified, so Poles didn't agree to that.

However the most ridiculous thing in this situation was that the changes in constitution was Kaczyński's political platform during presidential elections. He virtually can't do anything as president and still was proposing consitutional changes! Kaczyński's political platform was like Lord Farquaad castle;) Somebody had some kind of complex...
Alligator   
13 Apr 2012
Life / Do Polish names generally have a meaning to them or a particular structure?. [88]

Not just some nobody describing themselves as 'szlachta' (which does NOT mean nobility, or even gentry)

Szlachta means nobility (not gentry). The difference between Polish and other European nobility is that it was not wealth or lifestyle that constituted nobility, but hereditary juridical status. Nobility belonged to those of "noble birth" that is those whose parents were of the same noble origin (since 1505 at least the father had to be a noble).

Legally in Poland, there was no distinction between higher and lower nobility, the differences lied only in wealth. The system of nobility democracy in I RP equated the rights of all of noble birth.

Polish nobility can't be compared to it's counterparts in other countries. Unlike the Polish nobles they were divided into layers with distinct rights.

Read Carlyle on the matter.

He clearly had no idea about Polish nobility.
Read something else, preferably something written in XX or XXI c.

Golden Misgovernment and Self-destructive Chaos might be a better description

Since second half of XVII c. and because of continuous and destructive wars. In earlier times it worked well.
Alligator   
13 Apr 2012
Life / Do Polish names generally have a meaning to them or a particular structure?. [88]

Even 'gentry' is stretching it - Freemen is a better translation - the ones in the UK had (at the time Poland had its 1st Republic) an analagous legal status to Polish szlachty, were often affluent in relation to their neighbours and during that same period were gentrifying.

Exactly - nobility is the wrong word and the wrong concept.

You are trying to define Polish nobles by using English definitions and this is wrong approach. In case of Polish nobility you will never get the same or even close result to British, French, Spanish etc. nobility. You can't compare noble classes of those countries and claim which was more "noble". Every country, although they are European, had distinctily different social, political history. What was considered noble in Poland, wasn't necessarily in any other country and vice versa.

Norman Davis compares them to a caste rather than a stratum

If we agree that nobility is a high social class, to which one belonged by virtue of hereditary or honorary rank; possessed privileges and rights not granted to members of other classes in a society, then Polish szlachta and British nobility were the same.

In Poland the wealth of a noble didn't matter. Even if he was poor as peasant, he still had the same privileges and rights as other nobles.

I don't know why Davis is using such silly comparisons,... maybe because British can't get that wealthy doesn't mean noble ;)

Szlachta (nobility:) within it's class was very democratic. The principle of equality within the nobility was almost sacred. And it has been adopted by all Poles. Panowie bracia! :) Many of the principles which governed the Ist Republic of nobility, are also a modern democracy principles.

This is spot on - the best way to describe them is as Freemen who due to an antiquated system surviving developed entrenched customs and marriage rules - there are interesting parallels with Mauretanian society today.

If you will use the definitions used in other countries you will always get the wrong result. With those definition comes theirs original meaning, which is always to some degree different from the thing you want to apply it that comes from another country.

Any comparisons, be it British nobility, gentry, Roman citizen etc will always fail. Szlachta is nobility in Poland, end of story.
Alligator   
13 Apr 2012
Life / Do Polish names generally have a meaning to them or a particular structure?. [88]

Norman Davies describes the situation rather well.

Yes, he did, but you still don't get it...



In "God's Playground" he is using "nobility" as an exact word to describe szlachta. If you read his book as you claim, we shouldn't disscuss this.

to describe them as nobility implies that there was a sense of nobless oblige, a noble code governing behaviour and a socio-economic distinction between themselves and those around them.

Exactly, Polish szlachta had that.
Normally I'm not using wikipedia as a source of information, but since you possess such a vast knowledge of the subject...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szlachta
Alligator   
13 Apr 2012
Life / Do Polish names generally have a meaning to them or a particular structure?. [88]

'Nobility' is an English word

which comes from Latin and means a famous person. In later times a person of high social position in society. That is why Davis used it to describe such social group in Poland, France, etc. He didn't mean that in every element they were the same as British nobility. The common platform was a high social standing in their respective societies.

Being szlachta had much more to do with Freedom than responsibility

You are wrong. This is a part of a myth that is about 300 years old.
I can see that old stereotype is still thriving in West countries ;) I repeat: the stereotype. Let me give an example: in the first volume of French encyclopedia under the letter "A", the longest article was about "anarchy" and almost whole was about Poland. As if anarchy was a distinctively Polish "thing". It's not all. For example, the Liberum veto was not so stupid, as some believe. The usage of this legal mean since the mid-seventeenth century, especially in the eighteenth century, was of course detrimental to Poland. But the very notion of Liberum veto had a lot of sense and it worked well till second half of XVII c.

Beware of any wikipedia entry

I'm quite aware of that,

Normally I'm not using wikipedia as a source of information

But I'm not using this, not because of your conspiration theory, but simply because most of the articles there were written by morons to morons.
Alligator   
13 Apr 2012
Life / Do Polish names generally have a meaning to them or a particular structure?. [88]

We are providing social context to your book free of charge. Isn't that great!:D

In English (as in French) it implies responsibility. The British nobility had a responsibility to provide soldiers and to exercise the law in manorial courts.

The same responsibility had Polish szlachta. The pretext on which their privileges were based was obligation to provide unpaid military service (pospolite ruszenie). They constitued the lower and higher chamber of Parliament (Izba Poselska, Senat). They had the juridicial power over rest of society. They (and in most cases only they) held the state offices. What's your point in degrading them?

But can you say the Polish Freemen always had a high social standing?

Yes, always. Regardles of his wealth he was always a noble, a part of the high social class, with the same responsibilities, rights and privileges as the most afluent noble in Poland.

Don't come up with superficial definitions that have no relation to reality. Szlachta was nobility in Poland.

Unfortunately as with all forms of anarchy, the powerful (i.e. the true nobility) flourished at the expense of others.

For your information, the political system of I RP was Noble Democracy, not Anarchy. My point about stereotypes went straight over your head...

If you don't trust wikipedia, then read some books on the subject. Carlyle had no idea; Davies would be fine. I recommend God's Playground.
Alligator   
13 Apr 2012
Life / Do Polish names generally have a meaning to them or a particular structure?. [88]

Polish Count called Maximilian

The Polish idea of nobility was that every noble is equal and he can't use titles other than titles of their state or military office/function. Those wo are using such titles bought them from other monarchies in XVIII c. or obtained them in XIX c. when the Prussian, Russian and Austrian idea of nobility was imposed.

There were some instances of buying titles befor XVIII but they were limited to the richest nobles and their titles had no meaning in IRP anyway.

Chleb
If you want a noble in your book, go for -ska/ski ending of surname. However you must remember that not every noble had a ski/ska ended surname, and not everybody who had ski/ska were noble.
Alligator   
13 Apr 2012
Life / Do Polish names generally have a meaning to them or a particular structure?. [88]

the 1st Republic is a prima facie example of this.

By saying that IRP was an example of that, you can't possibly mean three centuries of IRP?
I'm not saying that Noble Democracy didn't deteriorate in the last years before it was attacked by Russia, Prussia and Austria, but saying that the system of a country for three hundred years was an Anarchy is a bit too much...
Alligator   
14 Apr 2012
Genealogy / Sierzputowski, finding villages in Poland, Lomza region. [12]

The names are butchered

Baczach

I found some villages which might be what you are looking for, but I can't be sure
1. Barszcze, gmina Zbójna, powiat łomżyński
2.Bacze - Suche, gmina £omża, powiat łomżyński
3.Bacze - Lipnik, gmina £omża, p. ł.
Here is link to site where you can search villages in Poland:
wsiepolskie.pl/powiat/131/lomzynski
Alligator   
15 Apr 2012
Off-Topic / I am Polish and I am offended. [52]

The problem with your big discovery is that non of them lives in Poland. Because of that, what you wrote here is simply not true:

in Poland there is a small, but fairly laud group of people who get offended at any mention of Poland

However more interesting thing is why you even bother to start such thread. I guess, since some members were suspended, you missed the hatefull and distasteful comments on PF. Shortly they will appear. Happy weekend for you, and let the show begin...
Alligator   
15 Apr 2012
Genealogy / Sierzputowski, finding villages in Poland, Lomza region. [12]

Does anyone know what kind of records Churches in the area's keep

acts of the church's announcements, records of birth, marriage, death, lists of parishioners, loose attachments (extracts, certificates), correspondence...

how far back they can go

The oldest parish church's acts date back to XVI c. You will find them in Archiwum Główne Akt Dawnych in Warsaw.
In some parishes you will find acts dating back to XIX c., in others to the beginning of XXc. Earlier books were probably taken to Warsaw, because of consolidation of archives in the beginning of XXc. Unfortunately during WWII Germans intentionaly destroied big part of Polish archives and libraries (including National Library in Warsaw in 1944).

If you have some spare money I recommend you to hire professional genealogist in Poland.
Alligator   
15 Apr 2012
Off-Topic / I am Polish and I am offended. [52]

but you would not know since you live abroad.

yeah, the all kill argument...
Everybody here should know better that you know better ;)

The number of offended people in Poland is large enough to be a problem, so I don't see a reason why it should be in OFF topic.

Mods , you just offended another one.
Maybe change the thread's title:
I'm a Canadian (I suppose) and I am offended. ;)
Alligator   
15 Apr 2012
Off-Topic / I am Polish and I am offended. [52]

do you have to add anything on topic?

anything on topic to off topic thread? For now naaah... ;)
Alligator   
16 Apr 2012
News / Polish Silesian Autonomy movement [38]

Tommo
about your article:
"This anti-German strain of Polish nationalism dates back to the days of partition, when Roman Dmowski's National Democrats turned to Russia for support in creating a Polish nation state (unsuccessfully it should be added - the Russians were as hostile as anyone to the cause of Polish nationalism)."

I recommend you to read something before you write an article. What you wrote about the political history of Poland is a heresy...
Roman Dmowski in his book "Germany, Russia and the case of Poland" clearly explained why he thought it would be better to support Russia in IWW and not Germany and Austria. He wrote that if G. and A. will win the war, Poland would gain nothing. If Russia will win, the Polish lands that G. and A. took, will be united with those that were taken by Russia. Victorious Russia would be forced to give more political rights to then bigger Polish minority. Mind that, when Dmowski created this strategy, Russian regime had a hard time after 1905 revolution. Dmowski thought, and rightly so, that Russia is politicaly weeker than Germany and Austria.

However Dmowski didn't limit his conception to political matters. He looked also at the potential of those nations and their civilization position. According to Dmowski, Germany was to strong culturally and civilizationaly. Because of that politic of germanization of Poles would be more successful than russification. Russia was civilizationaly and culturaly-wise less threatening.

I assure you that after more than 100 years of partitions he had a pretty good idea about Germany, Austria and Russia and about their attitude to Poles and their independence...

"(based, like Dmowski's on ethnicity, language and religion) is much narrower than that of Poland's two great nationalist heroes. The Romantic poet Adam Mickiewicz (1798-1855) and the war general Józef Piłsudski (1867-1935) both saw Poland as a commonwealth of different national groups (Poles, Lithuanians, Belorussians, Ukrainians, etc.) in what would essentially have been an anti-Russian alliance (possibly as part of a German-controlled Mitteleuropa)."

Roman Dmowski in march 1917 wrote a note to Artur Balfour, secretary in British Foreign Office. In that note he wrote that Poland can not have historical borders (it was at that time unrealistic) nor ethnical borders. He demanded inclusion of Gdańsk, Eastern Prussia, Upper Silesia, Vilnus, and Lvov.

He was a pragmatic and his political ideas were realistic.
It's a funny thing that you putted forward Mickiewicz and Piłsudski as an opposition to Dmowski. First was a romantic in literature field, the second, a romantic in a political field.

I wouldn't also say, that Kaczyński's idol is Dmowski. Rather Piłsudski and his big romantic and unrealistic ideas.
Because of what you wrote in the first article I have a bad feeling about your next article...
Since you are a teacher and probably don't have anything against reading, I recommend you to do that...
There is a ton of books on Dmowski and Piłsudski and their stances, and still you wrote such silly things. There is almost nothing about RAŚ and authonomy and this time you will write something

more insightful in English about the region

. I highly doubt...