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paczemoj   
30 Sep 2010
History / Rousseau's "Considerations on the Government of Poland" [7]

Well, who knows what Rousseau was doing? Catherine once complained that, "I cannot get out of my conversations with him without having my thighs bruised black and blue."

Maybe he was one of her "stallions", too.

;)
paczemoj   
30 Sep 2010
USA, Canada / Why are Polish Americans mocked in the American media? [226]

I think it's also important to remember a bit of history. Until the 20th century, Slavs (including Poles) and other people from east of Germany, and southern Europeans (Italians, Greeks, etc.) were considered a kind of "second category" of "white" person in America-or sometimes not "white" at all.

From page 76 of Whiteness of a Different Color: European Immigrants and the Alchemy of Race:

The ascendent view among native-born Americans in the 1890s, even Anglo-Saxons and Others as John Wigmore was writing, was not that Japanese immigrants held "as good a claim to the color 'white' as the Southern European and Semitic peoples," and therefore ought to be granted citizenship, but rather, that Southern European, Semitic, and Slavic immigrants held as poor a claim to the color "white" as the Japanese, and therefore ought to be turned away at once. The racialism of this prevailing view of the newer European immigrants, its basis in republican logic, and its relationship to racialized assessments of Asians (...)

The Immigration Act of 1924 severely limited Polish (and other undesirable) immigration and anti-Slavic stereotypes were prevalent (much, much more than now) in American society until the interwar period. Most were variations of stereotypes that attach to any new and different group: dumb (can't speak English), smelly (eat different foods), shady (stick together), dirty (poor), etc. Some were new. After 1917, Slavs carried the stigma of Bolshevism and of trying to undermine moral order and good government. Most people couldn't care or didn't know how to distinguish between Slavs. And it's true that Poles did participate in labour unions. Plus, Poles were Catholics and America has a vast history of anti-Catholic sentiment. The KKK disliked: Blacks, Jews and Catholics. Even when Kennedy was elected, there were grumblings about a "Papist" plot to take over America. Remember that America was created by people who considered themselves religious outcasts (and partly were). They disliked the Catholic Church, to say the least.

As for jokes today, I think they come from that "tradition" but are also different in that though they may be offensive and in poor taste, they are not treated as serious statements of fact nor are they malicious. They bug me sometimes and I agree that political correctness dictates who we may or may not make fun of and jokes about, but I think they're also a sign of how normal it's become to be Polish-American. The lack of Black jokes (except by Black comedians) and the flow of heroic or "good" Black characters is, I think, a symptom of American still having trouble with its slave-owning and segregationist past. It's a strange way of trying to "correct" a historical "wrong".
paczemoj   
30 Sep 2010
History / Rousseau's "Considerations on the Government of Poland" [7]

In 1772, the French philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau wrote about what he believed the Polish constitution, and therefore Polish state, should be.

One of my favourite passages:

Today, no matter what people may say, there are no longer any Frenchmen, Germans, Spaniards, or even Englishmen; there are only Europeans. All have the same tastes, the same passions, the same manners, for no one has been shaped along national lines by peculiar institutions.

And what, one may ask, constitutes this wonderful European? Is it continental solidarity, realization of a shared destiny, religion, a common culture?

Nope:

All, in the same circumstances, will do the same things; all will call themselves unselfish, and be rascals; all will talk of the public welfare, and think only of themselves; all will praise moderation, and wish to be as rich as Croesus. They have no ambition but for luxury, they have no passion but for gold; sure that money will buy them all their hearts desire, they all are ready to sell themselves to the first bidder. What do they care what master they obey, under the laws of what state they live? Provided they can find money to steal and women to corrupt, they feel at home in any country.

So, what of Poland?
Incline the passions of the Poles in a different direction, and you will give their souls a national physiognomy which will distinguish them from other peoples, which will prevent them from mixing, from feeling at ease with those peoples, from allying themselves with them; you will give them a vigour which will supplant the abusive operation of vain precepts, and which will make them do through preference and passion that which is never done sufficiently well when done only for duty or interest. These are the souls on which appropriate legislation will take hold. They will obey the laws without evasion because those laws suit them and rest on the inward assent of their will. Loving the fatherland, they will serve it zealously and with all their hearts. Given this sentiment alone, legislation, even if it were bad, would make good citizens; and it is always good citizens alone that constitute the power and prosperity of the state.

Rousseau then goes on to discuss how to cure the problems (which he identifies earlier) of the Polish state and how to create a new and better Poland. The essay was never published, but makes fascinating reading. For example, Rousseau proposes that Poland become a federation of 33 "small-states" that "combine the power of a great monarchy with the freedom of a small republic". Not long after, and on a different continent, something similar would come about...

;)

The full English text is here: constitution.org/jjr/poland.htm
paczemoj   
28 Sep 2010
Life / Need Help Finding a Specific Polish Novel [9]

Irena Zarzycka, Okruch zaklętego zwierciadła?

One of the main characters is Lenka Górska and there's a romantic element.

Or, a little newer (first published in the late 70s), a family saga by Krystyna Boglar, Żeby konfitury nie latały za muchą. It also has a character named Lenka. I think it takes place in Warsaw, though.