History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [192]

Again, Harry !

What is it that makes you so sick about the Polish and the disclaim about the Ukrainian area ?

Is that your only point you got, that makes you hate our history ?

Really ?

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [192]

Harry, why does that piece in the history matter to you ?

The area which was sold, only contained 15 % polish citizens, and the rest of the country didn't care about the Polish, so why this anger ?

Poland sells some stupid land, and they are suddenly the worst in Europe ?

I haven't looked deeply enough, but I know as a common fact, that the Polish suffered after the war against soviet, the military equipment was old and the country had just recovered from the splitting, if Poland had some claims about areas in Ukraine where the people didn't even wanted to be polish, why not think economical ? I really don't see the big problem.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [192]

It seems like there is many points in this article. I always admired Jozef Piłsudski , and it's a shame that he didn't have the full command of that decision.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [192]

Even though, isn't it the Polish government who tries to bring Ukraine closer or into the EU ? What does Russia do, cutting of gaz !


Yea I'm sorry, it just seemed like the right example !

Speaking about the German past, why didn't you guys win the FIFA world cup ? I could have won a lot of money on that ! -Now I'll never get the cruise trip I wanted for the summer, thanks !

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [192]

I think, that the German and Russian history wins the gold medal of betrayal.

The Ukraine's didn't even like the Polish occupation, so "if the polish sold the country out" even though, I don't see where in the history this could had taken place, what is the big deal ? Again, where in the history should Poland sell Ukraine ? Before or after the splitting ?

History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [134]


Denmark did actually sold large areas with oil in the Northern Sea to Norway. Boy don't they regret, I think it had something to do with the entrance to EU.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [192]

Since the splitting of Poland by Russia, Germany and Austria, Poland didn't have any control of Ukraine.

Are you from Ukraine or what ?

Poland was one of the first to create a society with religious freedom in the past. Jews and Muslims could stay in Poland, without any persecution. You didn't see that elsewhere.

But again where you from, since your history is full of glory ?

History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [134]

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So, why shouldn't that work in the bigger picture too?[/

Because of the historical ties with the Germans and the German language, puts up the federal state.

That wouldn't work in the bigger picture, the Europeans are to different. Just look at the different state model and welfare, the Scandinavians pays a lot of taxes to fund the universal welfare model, which to many others seems socialistic, you guys in Germany has created a selective model where you pay your insurance through your work, and the English pays for them self's, do you see the picture ? If we can't co-fund a common state model, we can't centralize the union.

And again, the language is to important.. It brings people together, not politics or ideas of a united Europe!

So therefor, you can't integrate 27 different people.. !

History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [134]


The famous German sociologist, Ulrick Bech, did actually speak about the making of an federal union, which couldn't be possible without a federal integration also, and that would overcome the cultural identities. That would in his eyes, be self destructive of the great nations and continent.

He sees the importance of the sovereignties, and through that we shall create a union. That's why I don't see a centralized union with Poland. But if we could reform that, then I promise won't talk about an exit from the union hehe. :)

I'm sorry if I seemed nationalistic in my threats, just saw the link "Polish history in 10 min." and I couldn't stop feeling my patriotic veins. :)

I just want what is best for Poland and its people, and make sure that what is polish, is kept polish, I love my country. :)

History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [134]


In the internation Perspective, some wants to create a federal union as a response to China and the states. But will that work, can a European integration overcome the national, which is needed to create such a thing ?

sociological speaking, what do you want for yourself ? Strong states in the union, or one strong union ? - I don't think we can have both.

History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [134]


I didn't ague about that. The creation of EU was from the result of WW2, to make peace in Europe, starting with common heritage of coal and steel .


EU legislation overcomes with the commission, all national laws. That's why the resistance to the union is common, all over Europe specially in the Scandinavian countries.

History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [134]


The money that was granted to Poland, was one of the biggest argument for bringing Poland into the union.

And here we have an interesting fact. Why did the western leaders agree to grant even more money to Poland, under the meetings in Copenhagen in 2002 ? Because of the economic development each year, which brings benefits for the union.

They already then knew, that Poland would be one of the highest developed countries in Europe because of its size, geographic and market.

I'm not totally against the EU, I'm just making a point about Eu's authority, legally speaking.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [192]

Harry, You shouldn't be ashamed of your low awareness of history.

Look at the internet, and you would find many things. One of the great things we did, was the battle against the ottoman, where King Sobieski had the command, that stopped the ottoman attempt to occupy Vienna in 1683, so they could spread their power in the continent.

History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [134]


An exit from the union is not the same as an isolation. Is Switzerland isolated from the continent ? What Poland has to offer, is the possibility of company movements to Poland because of the cheap labour. Just see the perspective in China.


AHEM ! Where does Marcinski write that Poland was forced into the Union ? The result of a membership in the union, is a deterioration of the national sovereignty. A common factor in the union.

So I would say, reform the union or make an exit.