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Tuchola in Poland - roots of Katyn? [220]
nott: You want to develop it, make a thread, I'll show up.
What for, nott? So I waste my time on someone like you who doesn't even give a f*ck to do some research before making a claim?
I did, as in other cases, just didn't want to embarrass you too much. I didn't really care to go far beyond 'promoting gay love on stage', 'the most scandalous, thus best-selling', 'Russian director'. You want to claim him, your choice, just show me what he really did besides showing nude men in public.
It is useless. I lost my interest after your last post.
Feels bad to loose everytime, innit.
This is my last post here.
In the PF? Good.
I admitted my mistake, I do it again now, won't repeat it again. You want it chiselled in marble, get your own tools and material.
In addition, what did Germans do just 3 weeks after crossing the Oder in Peremyshel'?
They didn't get to Peremyshel' before summer 1941, boy. I don't know what they did in this shithole, possibly killed somebody. Not really interested, loads of people got killed those times.
You have been had in just 3 weeks
You have been had before anybody ever dreamed about Ukraine. Some achievement.
"In the United States Viktiuk is included in the category of "50 people in the world that shaped the second half of the twentieth century." Well, but you are the expert, right?! ;)
I bet you got tons of links with theatrical reviews about him shaping the century. Pity they don't show up in Google.
UPA had around 400,000 people in 1944 -
Nah, Nathan. They had 988 thousand, latest research by the National Historical Panel on UPA. The NHPUPA has just published it, you're out of touch. And they expect to get to 1.2 million by spring, and to 1.8 by Orthodox Christmas next Year, or maybe even to 2.1, if researching is good.
That's how you do it, Nathan. Just doubling the highest known guesstimate will take you nowhere, contemporary Ukrainian history is highly competitive. Dog eat dog, and you are a sorry amateur, face that.
not exactly soldiers,
Oh really. And not exactly in 1939. Huge Polish mistake not to befriend them in time to fight the German invasion.
nott: What with those millions of soldiers. And you are happy :)
This is not funny any more Nathan. They didn't die for your country. Most of them died as Soviet kanonenfutter, and the result of their deaths was the Ukrainian SSR, where your language was prosecuted. The same UkSSR, where millions of people died of forced starvation. Tragic, nothing to be fvcking happy about.
nott: My family comes from near the Ukrainian border, I should be naturally inclined to hate your guts, I don't
MY family still remembers UPA, first hand, Nathan. You better shut up on the topic.
You know what I remember the most? 'And he's been a good neighbour, helpful'.
nott: But show me something written in Ukrainian before the 19th century.
Written in Ruthenian. You may claim it as old-Ukrainian, and actually, from what I know, it had already split from the pre-Russian Ruthenian, but it's Ruthenian still. Nobody dreamt about Ukrainian before 19th century.
But I give you that, you are entitled to search for roots, and this root is quite feasible. Only I was thinking about something like a novel, or a poem. Original literature, you know, not a translation of a millennia old foreign book.
You know perfectly I can't fight with all c***s on PF.
Oh you can, and you might find allies here. Only you chose wrong tactic, not unlike most of Ukrainians in 1918, and in 1940ies. You want to fight everybody and win more than everything, so everybody stomps on you.
I repeat, most Poles don't understand Ukrainian hatred, and are rather sympathetic. Use it. The latest experiences are good, there's already much to build on.
Think of it, Nathan. Take a break, see a movie, relax.
