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Joined: 10 Apr 2010 / Male ♂ 		Last Post: 6 May 2010
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Jed   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

hose shots were fired by people as can be judged by distance in relation to sound.

Yes, may be - it is with connection to the distant voice - "all go back" - to the people like this man recording video. Never seen police or emergency firing near people eighter. Signal flare?
Jed   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

ed, once at 0.57, then at 1.06 and again at 1.13. Maybe one more.

Yes, I've got it. I didn't hear gunfire for the last 25 years - not sure can recognize it.
I've seen the opinion that something could explode in the plane - oxygen cylinders or wheels may be?

What is being said just after 0.47 in the video clip I posted?

Somethimg like "Go here" - most likely somebody showed direction to the cars approaching.

The whole video looks like the first one after catastrophe.
Jed   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Oh, back to this lame-brained argument, are we?
Of course, because no proof is needed. After all, dead men can't talk. How convenient.

Wrong.

There is information (not confirmed yet -look here on PF) from one of the listeners of the black box. We need some time - may be it will be confirmed, may be not. It will be possible from voice recorders.
Jed   
15 Apr 2010
News / Russian air traffic controllers ignored communication protocol of Polish pilots? [194]

I am very curious to know if there was functioning ILS equipment present at Smolensk the week prior when Vlad the Putin landed there

There ia a rumor that it was mobile and was removed soon after 7th of April. This airbase has very basic safety equipment by itself.

Mr Zhirinovskii in Russian Duma claimed that Russia didn't care enough for this visit.

But it wasn't something unexpected for Polish visitors. From my point of veiw the risk level was too high for any VIPs visit. Plus this foggy weather.
Jed   
15 Apr 2010
News / Russian air traffic controllers ignored communication protocol of Polish pilots? [194]

let's just wait and all blindly believe whatever russian official version will tell us... we are sheep

Your remark means that if bloody Russians did it - they failed (and could't be saccessfull) - they can't fool people like you, are they?

But if we take a look on another version from opposite paranoids:
Mr Kaczynski was sacrificed by somebody interested to destroy progress in relations betwen Russia and Poland/EU because he failed to do that and became "useless" alive. - This "somebody" succeed and get you trapped...
Jed   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Why would witnesses testify that they saw it dumping fuel if it didn't?

From my point it is not a problem - it is very easy to check with black boxes as most of your previous blames regarding technical details we are not in position to test.

On this forum we may only guess about motives. How you find a version of your counterparts (not officials) - see above?
Jed   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Putin's perfect pupil's...

I only see that Putin-devil is in your foggy head - you just not read and don't see anything except "proofs" for your fobias...

I'm happy that you have no power and weapons - when people of your kind get power and weapons we see awful results - like mass murders in Katyn as an example.

I will give you another version from mirrored paranoids: Mr Kaczynski was sacrificed by
somebody (like you) interested to destroy progress in relations betwen Russia and Poland/EU because he failed to do that and became "useless". Do you like that?
Jed   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Give me your sources, please.

The discussion of TU-154 emergency landing in Simpheropol, 04.07.09 red-forum.com/showthread.php?t=8764
DesKV:
дык не сразу садили. Вырабатывали топливо полтора часа (ТУ 154 с полными баками приземлиться не в состоянии, слишком тяжёлый будет) - It was landed not immideately. They worked-out fuel for 1,5 hours (TU-154 with full tanks of fuel is not able to land because it's too heavy).

- so why in this case they didn't dump fuel?

LOOK closely at the boy's video--he shot it when Tu-154 was flying overhead.

It is TU-154 - but with wrong colours. Polish plane had red colours on it.
Jed   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

1) Great fog--the fog of all fogs! Greatly exaggerated.
2) Rapid dismissal of technical failure (according to witness accounts, plane was circling and dumping fuel--not repeatedly attempting to land.

(1) I visited the local Smolensk forum of 10.04 - they were talking about thick fog (doesn't mean it lasts forever).
forum.smolensk.ws/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=48375&start=0
One of the first replies:
"Странно, что в такой туман (я из окна 9-го этажа землю с трудом вижу) вообще кто-то решился на полёт." - "Strange that in such a fog (the ground is hardly visible from my 9th floor) somebody dared to fly"

And a lot of Poles in the airport, including journalists were witnesses.

(2) From several sources I know that Tu-154 is not able to dump fuel. Are you aviation specialist and may prove it with something different than journalists first opinions?

You are looking in the wrong places. For such catastrophe any possibilities should be taken into account and I'm sure they will be taken by professionals from both countries.
Jed   
15 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

I belive they have enough IQ not to listen paranoids and make their own conclusions based on the real facts.

People believe that Stalin and stalinists are evil - yes, but why? Because stalinizm is a special way of thinking with a deep fog in the head - and everything outside such a head looks very clear. And they make conclusions without any proofs - they rather prepare proofs based on their conclusions. Don't you see your face in that mirror, Olga? The way of thinking is just the same...
Jed   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

So, you think KGB are angels, and are not capable of this, huh? What the hell do you think they train for? If you really think that, you know nothing.

I don't know who are they now - depends on what you think about life after death.
I know that they are not with us anymore...:)

Their successors are very pragmatic and don't believe in stupid theories like "communism" - they like profit, stability and possibility to spend money outside Russia. Their interests are very simple and predictable.
Jed   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Please clarify.

Assume you are right and bloody Russians are involved - and they are the first suspects - what reaction should be? People like you take this version even without any prove - don't you think that even a shadow of any evidence will destroy a whole construction?

For what reason they would take a risk? Just for their "puppet Tusk"?
Jed   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Jed: I could be wrong, but from here Mr Tusk looks more pro-EU

Olga: No, he is very pro- close ties with Russia. Numerous news articles on that.

OK. Nothing bad with it.
From normal logic bloody crime could stop or revert it. So, the interst is quite opposite, isn't it?
Jed   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

How convenient that Tusk is now to run for President.
Pipeline was likely the reason for the falling out between Tusk and Kaczynski. Remember, Kaczynski was very pro-West:

I could be wrong, but from here Mr Tusk looks more pro-EU and Mr Kaczynski looks more like isolationists trying to play on a balance between US and EU?

From pure economic point of view Mr Tusk looks more pragmatic - but definetely not a "Putin puppet"...
Jed   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Olga, last 5 years Russia spent in preparation to avoid intrermediate countries which may cut these pipe lines- and just last week started to built a new pipeline in Baltic sea. I remember Polish position about it and Polish President role - but Russia has already solved this problem and put a lot of resourses there instead of Poland and Ukraine.

And please, don't call Mr Yanukovich a pupett - he is just more pragmatic then previous President. They are in really bad situation. And Russia as well as US and EU have no money and big interest to support Ukraine anymore. They play a ping-pong with that pure country trying to avoid big expenses...

And Geogia is not NATO member - and will never be in current situation.

But in very general sense, IF it was a conspiracy plan - we started to discuss real things - ECONOMIC interests. But I still don't see any arguments - only empty feelings and complexes.
Jed   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Tusk, if elected, will withdraw Poland from plans for missile defense shield=Putin very happy.

Might be I missed something but in your messages I founded only this argument for Russia to be involved.

It is actulally non-existing - US plans were changed and no missile defense system will be placed in Poland. The garantee is not Tusk or someone else but Russian-US new treaty - a conditions when Russia may quite.

If you call a new "Patriot" system "a missile defense" - no you are wrong, it's not a danger for Russia, just a garantee for Poles safety feelings.

But I really don't understand internal Polish situation - is it really possible that someone could be interested in this crash?
Jed   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

No 3- don't mix journalists and even specialists misinterpretation with lies and facts - black boxes will tell us the story;

No 4 - it is not true. Local people on local Smolensk forum discussed that fog.

Other points are discussible. Important thing in conspiracy theory is to find motives - who benefit and how?