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Why didn't you go to the market then? The market isn't just an american invention you know.. There's markets in small towns all over the EU. I think your logic is very much off as technically market food in the U.S is worse for you to eat than equivalent EU market food. And a lot of the supermarket food in Poland isn't exactly Polish, it comes from all over the EU and sometimes South America. There's types of food that are actually banned in the EU that's still sold in the U.S such as chlorinated Chickens filled with growth hormones, Pesticides etc. Which means that all chicken import is banned from the U.S into the EU whether or not it comes from a factory or a market. And that's just one out of many...

So i think it's really dumb for an american to show up in Europe and claim that EU food products are inferior to the equivalent U.S products when it's been scientifically and technically proven that your food is actually much much worse than any other food sold anywhere in the world mostly due to the lack of regulations. And the only reason there are so many specialized grocery stores in the U.S is exactly the reason you stated above, because there's a beepload of people who are sick of eating poisoned food in the U.S therefore there are stores who try to fill that demand. Just because this isn't the case in the EU or Poland that doesn't mean that it's actually a bad thing, no it just shows that people are satisfied with the products sold in EU grocery stores.

I know the big juicy hormone pumped chlorinated chicken might look good to you visually at the U.S market but I think you should really learn the science about how the eff that chicken was grown before you come and claim that EU food is worse than U.S food. I mean there's a good reason why Jamie Oliver is over in the states right now rigorously protesting against american's feeding chicken nuggets and pizza for breakfast at U.S schools and it just clearly shows that neither the people or the government knows what good food actually is... And as other posters said, you're not exactly an educated expert. Anyways no offence to you but I just had to point out that you're seriously wrong on this one.

Good luck

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Oh please why don't you just shoot yourself. I don't care what they call themselves, Lefties, Commies, National Socialists - same sh*it different name. They all have one thing in common: far-right radical dictators. End of discussion.


If you were expecting Poland to be like any of these places then it's no wonder that you were disappointed. it's strange that you like New York but disliked Warsaw, The two places are very much alike. I don't understand why you would call everything cheap/poor quality because Warsaw holds some of Europe's biggest males with alot of upscale stores with very expensive things on the shelves. I just think you went all the wrong places and you can have a much more "upscale" vacation in Warsaw than anywhere in Europe as your dollars will buy you more treats than anywhere else. Next time check yourself into an executive suite at the Hilton ask them to get you a driver that can take you to all the good spots. It's cheaper than you think and they'll make sure you have an upscale trip. It all depends on what you want and how much dough you got, If you're loaded you can have a nice vacation anywhere, even in a place like Poland.

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I understand peoples concern about Immigration from outside Europe which is by no means uncontrolled but still "too much" as bogus asylum seekers do get in too easily but I think people in Western Europe, specifically Britain should shut their beaks about Polish migrant workers as over 1 million UK citizens live in other European countries. When you join the European Union you have to accept that borders are open for all Europeans and not just some. As for immigration from elsewhere that can be solved with tighter control and improvement of legal immigration and less acceptance of asylum seekers, but this is not something a possible far-right leader with former nazi-ties can implement without being biased or straight out dumb.


No I mean far-right parties whose members are ex-neonazi/whitepride/communist/add-whatever who are now wearing a suite and playing the game of politics. I know where you're going with this and I'm not going to debate it in this thread as we shouldn't highjack this poor girls topic.


No, but they're so small in numbers that they're presence is insignificant to the public unlike in the West, I have a bigger chance of winning the lottery than to run into a NeoNazi in Poland. No need to scare the girl on this one. I'd be much more frightened about going to Russia or East Germany were Nazi's live and breed in the thousands.

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The number of Middle Eastern/African/Eastern European immigrants who move there. That's also one of the reasons extreme far-right fascist parties are blooming all over Western EU right now. These trends don't exist in Poland (yet) and the country's population is still pretty much 100% native.

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I'm of color and I've been to every single one of those places and I live in England currently. In France a random stranger across a street gave me the finger while throwing a racial slur towards me, I've been called racist things countless times in both Scotland/England while I've been assaulted in St. Petersburg.. Possible because I was colored. Austria is just like Northern Europe and the people are reserved and might harbor hate against you depending on what kind of colored person you are. The Spanish can be very racist if you're black as black people flood into the country from north Africa and they certainly don't like that in Spain.

I've recently been to Poland and the the major cities were probably some of the least racist places in Europe. Warsaw was filled with Asian tourists and many different people and most of all it resembled Manhattan alot. So It's pretty safe to go there and I'm sure you won't run into any racism, in fact you'll probably run into less racism than in the U.S if any at all. The rural areas in Poland were less friendly but that's common for every hillbilly town in the world no matter where you are. As somebody else said, All the people you know in Western Europe who said Poland is racist are hypocrites. Western European nations are FAR more racist than Poland and the fact that you're actually thinking about meeting this guy in France is just stupid. There's no reason to cry about going to Poland... It's not Russia you know. It sounds like the people you've gotten advice from have either been Americans who're out of touch with reality or Western Europeans who all hold a grudge against Poland because migrant workers from Poland snatch their jobs from under their noses.

I think you should pack you're bags and go to Poland, nothings going to happen and you're probably going to have a great time. Just remember, be polite and don't act like a dumb (american) tourist.

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well whether or not he was there to talk peace or get his pockets filled is insignificant. Point is that they showed the world that they own him even as a VP and every other U.S politician. If he was that pro-Israel and pro settlement he wouldn't have condemned it and disrespected Netanyahu by showing up 2 hours late for dinner. Somehow I can't imagine them grooming him after pulling stunts like that. I might be wrong but it seems like Biden tried to rebel a little and ended up getting slapped and humiliated.

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Well yes of course he claims to be a friend of Israel. You can't be a U.S politician if you're not. I know that he has a Pro Israel record just like every other high status politician. But that shouldn't overshadow the fact that he was in Israel to talk support and peace. Israel then chose to slap him in the face by unveiling plans for new settlements while he was there which he condemned so I'm not sure where you read that he's pro settlement? This was done to send a message to the world and Biden was clearly undermined and frustrated by being publicly humiliated. I'm not really into U.S politics that much as they're all very Pro-Israel to some degree but if any of them even tries to move an inch out of the friend-of-Israel zone they will get punished by the Zionist lobby. I don't believe Biden is as hardline as the far-right in Israel but It's clear that he's playing the game that Israel is controlling. If U.S politicians refuse to play the game the Pro-Israel lobby will focus on them and end their political career faster then they can blink.

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Don't expect any U.S politician to speak out against Israel, If they do the Pro Israeli AIPAC lobby will destroy them politically. They have so much power that it's unbelievable. Israel basically humiliated and slapped Joe Biden across the face a few weeks ago and they made sure that everyone in the international community knew that U.S politicians, even the Vice President is their b*itch and that they own their asses. That's why you often hear politicians swear unconditional support and allegiance to Israel, they basically stumble over each other just to kiss netanyahus backside and if they don't they'll suffer the consequences.

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I don't represent other Iranians, and Israel isn't spoken about in Iran neither at home or in schools, people don't care about Israel/Palestine that much. But I'm pretty sure that's the way people think everywhere in the world. I'm not saying Israelis support rape but it seems that way when the people and the government choose to turn a blind eye to what might be going on. And the real issue isn't just rape, it's the subtle abuse of Palestinians during everyday life. When a "patriotic" teenage IDF soldier can gun down several men and get away with it without an investigation then the course of justice is seriously messed up and the margin of error leaves a lot of room for mistakes. It's not rocket science and everyone knows what Israel is doing, the only difference between you guys and the Palestinians is that you people actually have a choice and the power to change the game but when you collectively decide to look away well then that makes you accomplices to a crime.

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Grunwald posted those three links as the first links he ran into, Yes the source might be biased but the accusations might be true. We're not here to post links for you guys, the links was just to show that it doesn't take more than 3 seconds to find stories that might or might not hold some truth to them. There are literally hundreds of other sites more credible than that Turkish site that reports on similar cases. I think you should check them out. These cases either are either never filed by women and when they are they're rarely get investigated. The larger News networks don't really bother with small stories like this on Palestinians. I mean an Israeli soldier ran over a female US peace protester with a bulldozer in Gaza and it was hardly reported on in any credible western media. So why should they report on a worthless person to them that's been raped?

I don't think getting your news from inside Israel has any credibility to it at all. Who own those Networks and are they biased in their articles? Like when republicans get their news from Fox or when Brits get their news from networks owned by Murdoch.. That's not real journalism, that's just pure propaganda.

As I said there are countless womens rights organisations who have reported on women who have been raped or abused who are afraid to file an official report in fear of worse abuse next time they run into that soldier. This doesn't just apply to women but also men who fear reporting someone for physically abusing them as they might get slapped harder or killed next time. As I said earlier whatever you say I don't believe that a 17-year old IDF soldier can be neutral when facing down a Palestinian man or woman and I think it's wrong that you believe them to be morally superior in any way, shape, or form.


The left-wing inside Israel might be reporting heavily on these kind of incidents from inside Israel but that doesn't really matter does it...? That doesn't change the attitude of the general public as most Israelis are undoubtedly very nationalistic and willing to go to great lengths to preserve their homeland and the left-wing certainly isn't changing anything about the violent administration running things over there. I mean these people are willing to send teenagers to prison multiple times just for refusing to serve in the IDF...How is that right? And how can you presume that youngsters who've been taught military hierarchy and violence from birth isn't going to resort to sexual violence? Your country is still highly militaristic and that's not something a small left-wing can change in any way. The signs and the whispers are pointing to the fact that these things do happen and they're being reported on by someone, somewhere in the world.

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Well it depends on what freedoms you regard as important to you but you're right and there is no comparison, Poland has freedoms that Iran hasn't but Iran has freedoms that Poland does not have. If I was wealthy and didn't have to work and I had to choose I would choose Poland of course as basic freedoms and justice are granted there but not in Iran. The problem there today is that if the mullahs suddenly dislike you they can strip you of your freedoms and make you disappear off the face of the earth and nobody would bat an eye. People think that all Iranians are the same and that they want the same things but this is far from the truth, Iranians have been at all out war with each other for a very long time and the last regime change was just one out of several and it will not be the last.

I can assure you that there is no constant wrangling between Ahmedinejad and the Supreme Leader. Ahmedinejads character is insignificant even though he's considered the official leader he's nothing more than a puppet. He's a warlord with a very dark and shady military background. Guys like him aren't elected, they're born bred and selected behind closed doors. This guy has been trained and advised on his every move, he doesn't go off in his own ways and say things he shouldn't say like George Bush used to do for example. This guy is being paid a lot of money to play the role of president and he knows that if he messes up his life will end in a mullah styled gangland execution. This guy knows that he shouldn't mess around and he knows what the mullah regime is capable of. He knows that when they can make entire villages disappear they can make him disappear too. Myself and some other Iranians had dinner with this guy during an event a while ago (don't ask how that happened) and I saw him in action first hand, Everything he does is scripted to the very core. The handshake, the smile, the way he talks and even the way he walks, personally I concluded that when the mullahs made this guy they made sure that everything about him is there to deceive the gullible westerners who think they believe in democracy and justice. It's all theater presented to them to deceive people for the fact that this country is is very much like North Korea or any other totalitarian state.

Anyways I don't know much about poverty in Poland but isn't the difference between rich and poor enormous there? When I was there I saw alot of people who lived in penthouse apartments with luxury cars but also an equal amount of people who lived in communist styled block housing with **** cars. As I said in an earlier post, the place seems to be ruled by an extreme form of capitalism just like many of the other former soviet nations. It seems like the ones who made it out in one piece are doing extremely well while the majority who didn't manage so well are doing badly.

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Is that why Israeli soldiers can run over american peace protesters with a bulldozer and get away with it? Corrupt Zionist justice is no justice.


If you had actually check out Grunwalds other links and not just the first one you would have seen what the next articles are about. The point in all of this isn't that Israeli soldiers have raped Palestinian or Israeli girls but that Israeli soldiers have actually RAPED. Which proves that your claim that Israeli soldiers are somehow morally superior to others is a complete and utter false statement.

In other words which is so popular these days ...YOU FAIL

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Grunwald posted some links there, clearly he has the brain capacity to do a Google search unlike you guys. Maybe you should give him a round of applause just like back in kindergarden.

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Dude it's there. Go sign up for that internet course already, you're getting more and more annoying by the minute. When you're there have your teacher show you how to pop words into the search field on google. Remember typing the words is the hard part so make sure you take your time and don't let anyone rush you.

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I've probably been insulted more times by more people in this thread than my entire life so let's not talk about maturity as if I'm the perpetrator here. I haven't seen anyone else back their claims with links so I'm not going to do that either, It's as simple as that. Fact is that the information is out there and it's really easy to find so you're only mocking me by making me do a pointless task which you can easily do yourself.

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The reason I wont post any links is because you're then going to scrutinize the sources.
It's clear that you've already made up your minds so I'm not even going to bother, but there are several womens rights organizations out there who've brought claims against Israel that have been flat out denied and have gone uninvestigated. It has happened and it has been reported on many times. The information is available out there on the Internet and you're free to look it up.

You might be truth seekers but a biased Israeli truth is no truth...

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Just the fact that you refer to them as "Gazans" shows how dumb you are.


If you're that bad at finding information then you clearly shouldn't express your opinion. I think you should join one of those "internet for beginners" classes that might be offered by your local government. I hear they're popular among senior citizens who wish to learn how to use "the google".


As I said.. Join an internet for beginners course. they'll teach you how to pop investigation+abuse+israel into google.

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Are you kidding me right now?


Google it. If there wasn't some truth to it there wouldn't be thousands of investigated cases being swept under the rug. But I'm sure you'd much rather believe that IDF soldiers are Jewish military saints with uncompromisable morals. the Israeli government knows what kind of stains they'll get if they start investigating these claims and it's clear that they're perverting the course of justice.

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Inferior education is no education, just because you shove a piece of diploma paper in the hands of a few Palestinian charity cases that doesn't mean that they have equal rights. You seem to be under the illusion that the Palestinians were a bunch of nobodies before you people came along and that they have somehow benefited from your ridiculously enormous generosity of a few universities after you enslaves them and messed up their country, this is not true and I hope you can detect the sarcasm in what I'm writing.

Sure in theory a Palestinians might be able to achieve what an Israeli can achieve but when you're born and bred in Gaza with 41% unemployment and 80% poverty caused directly by the actions of the Israelis then you're not really in the same academic position as an Israeli kid are you?

I'd like to see you yehudi live a lifetime in Gaza amongst death and poverty in a region worse off than the worst places in Africa, and then come back and claim the lies you preach so dearly.

You should be ashamed.


He can't... He has already expressed that Israeli soldiers are supernatural beings who were beamed down from the skies to save the day. Remember that according to yehudi Israeli soldiers don't rape and apparently every single one of them find Palestinians unattractive which according to him makes them incapable of carrying out any atrocities. Because of this they're the sole exception amongst all other soldiers in any army on earth.

I think it's pretty pointless to fish for a rational answer from this guy.

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True. but I wasn't comparing standard privates to public schools. Anyways those schools you mention might excel in certain programs over the top ranking schools but the overall experience and education and extras you receive compared to what you pay is still far beyond elsewhere, that's why the Ivy Leagues are always in the top 25 and usually in the top 10. I have no doubt JHU,MIT,CalTech etc are all great schools. So these schools you mention are school I personally wouldn't exclude. It's a little funny you mention exactly these schools as they rank well, they're private, they're prestigious and they cling well with future employers and they're among the top schools.

As I said it's all relative and depends on your standards. But it's undeniable that high end private schools overall excel over state-run universities in student satisfaction and well rounded education. As far as I know the university of Warsaw doesn't even rank in the top 100 all the time so that's why I call it average. Of course it's not bad but if you're working in the tech industry it's easier to land a high rolling job if it says MIT on your CV compared to WarsawU. My point is that Warsaw University might be "top" in Poland and polish employers might look at it as a good school but if you compare it to other schools internationally it's not that great and I wouldn't want to loose a future job because some employer might look at the university as if it's beneath them.

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Muslim or not doesn't matter to them. These guys aren't really religious, each one is a mini-dictator in a cloak out to line his own pockets with gold, they know that most people aren't Muslim so they don't push the issue if you pretend to be muslim. The whole Islamic Republic is theater to the outside world.

These people were nothing before the revolution, they were peasants, farmers, working-class lowlifes. Now they're men with power - killers, pimps, judge and jury, and worst of all they're law enforcement and what they say is basically the law.

As much as western media would like you to believe that this country is a religious nation it's just not true. Nothing in this country is about religion. Every freedom you'd like is given to you in some way or another but the freedom to excel is only given to people who are loyal to the clerics and the regime.


School is a big thing over there, in western countries for example it's difficult to find more than a handful of bright students per class, over there the slackers are in the minority, I know tons of people who are Ivy league material but they simply don't have the the funds to attend a school like that. One of my friends applied for Yale Law just to see if he could get it which he did with ease, but instead he's working a low wage job in a bank like many other youths who roam the streets or work dead end jobs. The only kids who go to University over there are rich kids from rich families who have a good relationship with the clerics. whether or not they're as academically good as a poorer kid is insignificant.


Nope, but it's the only solution.

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It's pretty common to use the letters of a country within the EU, it's not just a polish thing. PL,UK,DE,SE,DK etc are all commonly used on internet forums. As for the professor thing that's not just a polish thing and I'm sure students do it all over the world, it's always best to be on the good side of the person who's grading you than to accidentally offend them by hurting their ego. And I'm posting this through a Swedish proxy so it would look like I'm there even though I'm in London.


I didn't say you're trying to do anything I was just correcting the sentence you pointed out was wrong. If Arabs had won then I'm pretty sure a lot of Israelis would be dead but that wouldn't have been without reason, it's easy to point out an event and say "what if" but you need to look at what's happened over the course of decades. Before the state of Israel was established Jews were living decent lives all over the middle east. The sole reason for them not being welcomed anywhere today is because they've acted out so badly. I get that they want their own country and that there's some Jews who have a historical connection to the region but that doesn't give them the right to do what they did. And by grabbing Jerusalem which is the holy city of every major religion on this planet they were just asking for trouble. And it's clear that even the international community refuse to accept some of these illegal acts as every embassy in Israel is located in Tel Aviv and not their illegal capital Jerusalem. They're not just pissing off Arabs intentionally but also other countries.

We all know how history would have played out if Israel had lost but today we can turn on the television and see the very product of an Israel victory, what once was Palestine is shattered and in ruins while it's people are grossly mistreated. It's an understatement to say that Arab children are angry, it's not just anger but it's also desperation. The Palestinians have been driven off their land and Israel is giving them less rights, inferior living conditions, No rights to education, inferior healthcare compared to Israeli's, they're systematically kept down in all aspects of life so Israel can control them and prevent a future uprising.

It's not rocket science that these kinds of conditions will make uneducated and misinformed Palestinians do messed up things but Israelis are living in an advanced, well educated state so they should know better by this day and age and they should improve living conditions for the millions of state-less Palestinians and put in an effort to actually educate them more, once they've achieved that, however long it may take then the only right thing to do would be to establish a brand new state with the Palestinians, not a two-state system but one state as one people. But of course this isn't on the agenda in Israel and we all know what the grand master plan is here. The mortality rate of Palestinians are far higher compared to Israeli's due to their living conditions so it's sadly just a matter of time before Israel can out breed Palestinians and by building the apartheid wall it's going to be a lot easier because then they don't actually have to look at their victims.


Yes


No... More women go to university then men. Gender or religion doesn't matter. You need to be on a first name basis with a cleric and you need to be prepared to line his pockets with cash. Even as bad as it is today it's by no means a backwards country and women have just as many rights as men or maybe even more as it's always an advantage to be female over male.


Sure this is understandable but at what cost? As I said I'm not against Jews but I am against a Zionist state and I think there are limits as to how much a state is allowed to do before it should be forcefully dismantled. I think it's safe to say that Israelis have failed miserably in establishing a respectful nation and I think it's safe to say that the government have no idea what the hell they're doing. Using Nazi tactics is not acceptable in any way.

It's clear that it's the wealthy war mongering fanatics in the U.S who are behind all of this and that they're playing some sick game to control natural resources and territory by unconditionally supplying Israel with weapons and training while also supplying Palestinians with arms just to keep the ball rolling. It's clear that Israel is a back door into the Middle East and that's why no country will object to the atrocities that are happening over there. If all western nations would just stop meddling in the affairs of middle eastern nations then everything would just sort out itself.

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He was assaulted? Can't find anything about it online...?


Nah... Not worth it.

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lol, not going to continue this one.


I'm sure your siblings are talented, I never claimed anyone was straight out dumb just that there's certain levels of talent.


Hmmmmmm... You have no idea where or what I'm studying so that's just an assumption that I have a high opinion. I'm allowed to be proud and have standards higher than others if I wish.

As for getting a degree back home that's impossible, thanks to the British governments overthrow of our government we now have the clerics running everything. Millions of people apply for 50.000 available spots and you have to be extremely lucky just to even get a spot and even luckier to get a spot for the degree you actually want. Winning the lottery is an easier feat.

I don't know why you keep claiming that I think everything else is bad, I specifically in detail explained that I'm not in favor of funding state-run institutions that fails to excel. Either you can't read or you just want to fight for the sake of fighting. I also wrote that I'm currently attending a university in the U.K which I have every right to, as I'm a full citizen so this country is just as much mine as it is yours. I can move in and out freely and do whatever I want and that includes taking a spot at an institution.

Meh... This debate is pointless so I'll just leave it at that, it's already developing into a new Israel/Palestine-like debate.

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I can see how I can come off as a prick on this one. As I student I'm just used to referring to everyone as "professor" to avoid accidentally offending them even though they might not actually hold that status, there's a lot of people with many titles at these institutions. Instructors, lecturers, Assistant professors etc. I wouldn't say being a lecturer or AP is anything special and you don't have to be a genius to achieve those titles.

I didn't run into any professors in Warsaw and if I did they didn't introduce themselves as such. Most of them were average lecturers etc. But I have met someone who held the title of professor at a state-run Swedish university and he wasn't as bright as you would think, I'm not going to mention any names. But still my main point was that the staff working at more prestigious universities are commonly better, well educated and more known within their fields compared to their colleagues at some state-run university. Anyways as I said, it's all relative and I'm sure a lot of successful people come out of these state schools.


Well I'm pretty sure presumptuous, snot-nosed, self-important pri*ck, Internet troll and sh*it stirrer all qualifies as insults. And denying my heritage was also an insult.

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Well I was only talking about Dentists who graduate in the UK vs Polish graduates. Now when you're comparing graduates from a third country it becomes a different discussion. Of course there's bad apples everywhere but you're more likely to run into bad ones in PL than in Western Europe. All I'm saying is that there's a lot of travel agencies who sponsor trips to Poland where you can get cheap dental work done but a lot of these people later run into complications because of flawed work.


No doubt, there are good reputable clinics available. But it's still undeniable that the general Oral Health of Poland is lacking behind.


Ok.. Correction: "The Nazi's tried to build an empire on spilled Jewish blood and now you're trying to build a Zionist empire on spilled Palestinian blood with tactics right out of the Nazi handbook."

My point was that loads of people died in Europe and the same is happening in Palestine today.


My posts might seem a bit condescension but that's completely unintentional. Anyways some of the people on here take some of my comments way too personal.

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Wow you people take critique badly, I never said that specifically teachers at the university of Warsaw were chimpanzee's.. It was just a general example. Take the university of Greenwich in england for example, amazing building but that's pretty much it, the rest is horrible teachers and a bad reputation. All I was trying to say was that I'm not in favor of keeping mediocre institutions alive.. Warsaw University is average.. Not good but not bad either and if you guys can't deal with someone saying it out loud then that's you're problem. Go check for yourself how it ranks compared to other institutions in the EU.


As I said I'm already attending a well respectable institution in the UK as for the place not being up to my standards.. Well yes that's true and I'm not ashamed to say that I'd like to attend a well rounded institution. Does that mean that the place is bad? No.. standards are relative and what I find unacceptable someone like you might find acceptable... I can't see how this is so offending?


You don't have to take my word for it go to the World Health Organization website and look up Poland's Oral Health compared to neighboring countries. Or just ask any German, British Danish or Swedish dentist and they'll tell you how many patients they work on who've had bad dental work done abroad for a fractions of the price.


That was actually an example and compliment.. I couldn't believe how cheap food compared to other places. Supermarket prices were cheap too and the selection of products was good.


I don't know what to say to this one.. You come in with guns blazing and misinterpreted my post and thought I was comparing all Warsaw professors to chimps which wasn't the case as explained above. The only troll here is you people who idle sit by and jump at everything that you don't agree with armed with personal insults. And as for your denial of my heritage I just laugh.. I don't know what you want me to say? Want a DNA test?

As for the rest...

I was just answering Seanus about what kind of freedoms Poland has and pointed out specific points why I couldn't live there which is mainly salary, education and health. Now if you nationalist supremacists can't handle healthy debate and simple critique then that's not my problem. I don't think I'm out of line with my opinions, Poland isn't as developed as it's neighboring countries to the west and the country lacks behind on development in some crucial areas. You've all seen the overwhelming number of people who've left Poland since they got entry to the EU in 2004. Now does this mean that it's a bad country? No.. It has a lot of good qualities and I've pointed out some of them in my earlier posts.

Just because I point out it's less attractive aspects and why the place isn't for me, doesn't mean that it's a bad place in general..

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I'm talking about professors at higher end private institutions in other countries. I'm aware that Poland has a handful of fee-based universities but I doubt they're comparable to world class institutions like Harvard, Yale, Oxbridge etc. Not all average private institutions are good and some of them actually have a bad reputation along with the professors. And what do you mean with "if you actually had visited Poland" ??? I was there on a study/work related trip for freck sake, I was on the campus.. I think it's you who's trying to stir up trouble.

I think you should look up the definition of high-end.. I was comparing them to $40K+/yr institutions which tend to be much better than public institutions in my opinion.. Mark my words.. IN MY OPINION. I've gone to public schools and and expensive private institutions and personally I think the level of education is much better at the place I'm at right now and all my peers express the same opinion. The level of education and support you receive is just more well rounded.

As I said. And I'll type it again just for you as you've failed to read my entire post except snippets.... it's all relative and it depends on what you're used to and what standards you can accept. There are universities in England, Poland and elsewhere that are so bad that I would rather not go there at all.


As I said, Not all dentists are bad in Poland but there's farther between the good ones compared to for example Western Europe in general. Currently Poland isn't doing so well on the Oral Health statistics but I'm aware that they're trying to improve that in Warsaw and elsewhere.. I read this somewhere a while ago so it might have changed or improved slightly. My main point was that even though they trained for the same amount of years their training is still inferior to the training they could have received elsewhere in countries with more developed healthcare. In the end it's the consumers who suffer the consequences and it's showing in the statistics.

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Sure 5500 might be high enough but it's a bad wage compared to other places in Europe, things didn't seem to be that much cheaper in Poland than elsewhere so people must be living less extravagant lives. Healthcare is bad trust me, I know quite a few dentists who run clinics of their own and they have so many horror stories of westerners who go to Poland for cheap dental work, and end up paying a British dentist to fix what the polish doctor messed up.

These aren't isolated incidents and it happens in the polish medical business way too often. I knew a swedish guy who needed surgery on his eye, I don't know the specifics of it but out of all the surgeons available he got the only polish one working at the hospital, after the surgery he went blind on his eye. Later I asked a surgeon I knew who worked there and he said that the polish surgeon had a less decent reputation and that he was unexperienced. Point is they simply don't receive the quality of education and training that you get elsewhere... This seems to be common to most of the ex-soviet nations.

Mediocre doctors teaching students will lead to disaster and it's clearly showing. The bad education along with the horrible wages is sadly the combination that's causing all of this.

Of course it's all relative but it depends on what you're used to and what standards you can accept. A working class American would probably pick the flawed polish doctor over their own if they could save money while a British person would pick the NHS doctor over the polish doctor. I'm not saying they're all bad but too many are and if you wanna get treated by the good polish docs you're going to have to pay for it as they tend to stick to the private clinics.

I visited the University of Warsaw while I was there and it wasn't anything special, nice buildings but the level of education seemed like your average public school. The professors weren't that good compared to the ones you might find at the higher end private institutions and that's what matters the most. It doesn't matter how grand the building is or how advanced their equipment is. If a professor with the intelligence of an educated chimpanzee is teaching the students they will most likely end up doing worse on average than their colleagues at a University with world class tutors.

Personally i couldn't live with it but if the polish can then that's up to them.

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I can't live without a car :D what my friend makes full-time I can make the same amount doing a part time job in London and I could make over twice as much if I worked full time. My main concern wouldn't be the low salary if I was someone moving there, it would probably be the high rent prices in Warsaw, bad public transportation, awful public universities, and soviet-like healthcare... Food quality and prices seemed to be better/cheaper so that's a plus. I ordered quite a few family buckets from KFC to Hilton where I was staying, couldn't believe how cheap it was compared to the amount of food you get

No offence on any of those points but Western Europe is a tad bit more advanced on most of those points. btw are you native or an expat?