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mets2redsox0   
20 Oct 2009
History / Polish military in 1939 in pictures. [107]

(Sokrates:) And you say i am the liar

I'm still waiting for the police to come and arrest me after Sokrates reported me for the serious crime

My, My, My it look's like, I am not the only that dear Sokrates, has insulted or be mean and nasty too, am I?,
mets2redsox0   
20 Oct 2009
History / Polish military in 1939 in pictures. [107]

I'm not trying to glorify Poland but we've had enough of our own inventions,

our own computers (which were copied by US, in the 30s Poland was THE most advanced in computing science, everything you use today in a computer was at one point invented perfected or dabbled in by a Pole, we managed to advance computing science farther then anyone :) )

oh really now, are we dreaming or what??.

[i]During the first half of the 20th century, many scientific computing needs were met by increasingly sophisticated analog computers, which used a direct mechanical or electrical model of the problem as a basis for computation. However, these were not programmable and generally lacked the versatility and accuracy of modern digital computers.

Alan Turing is widely regarded to be the father of modern computer science. In 1936 Turing provided an influential formalisation of the concept of the algorithm and computation with the Turing machine. Of his role in the modern computer, Time Magazine in naming Turing one of the 100 most influential people of the 20th century, states: "The fact remains that everyone who taps at a keyboard, opening a spreadsheet or a word-processing program, is working on an incarnation of a Turing machine." [10]

The fact is Poles designed both personal weapons and armor/mechanized vehicles that were head and shoulders above the contemporary German and Western design and matched only by the Russians, that Poland was pyss poor and had barely any factories to produce that stuff is another matter.

I am ONLY Talking about Small Arms here, not Half-Track's, Armored Car's or Tank's, but, just Small Arms, most of what the Polish Army was using in 1939 was either German (Masuer) or American (Browning) in design.

So by your logic rifles are similar because they use a similar caliber? Thats a pretty silly thing to say :)

you better go back and re-read your own posting, I was trying to make sense of you said, which is not always easy to do!,Sokrates: the only, only technical or conceptual similarity between German Stg44 and M1 was that they used an intermiediate bullet,

A prototype is an original type, form, or instance of something serving as a typical example, basis, or standard for other things of the same category.

since, I have Manufactured Firearm, let me explain to you, what the term, Prototype means, prototypes will be designed, constructed and tested as the final design emerges and is prepared for production. With rare exceptions, multiple iterations of prototypes are used to progressively refine the design. A common strategy is to design, test, evaluate and then modify the design based on analysis of the prototype. and 50 of a Prototype of a Submachinegun for Military use is very common, before you made Ten's of Thousand's of a SMG, you will make 50 to test in the field, that's still just a Prototype!.

You know, "PF" does not issue warning very often, in fact this was the first time I saw one like this one"Please refrain from insulting members, they are allowed to have their point of view in this discussion as well as you. If you can't discuss without using derogatory language, your best bet would be to give the thread a miss".

I had enjoyed reading your posting's, that was before you became very rude to me among other's, have you noticed, other's have stop posting on this thread?, did you wonder why?.

As someone who has dealt in Automatic Weapon's and have been a Small Arms Manufacturer for almost 30 years, I also have a passion for World History as well, being a Second Generation Irish and Lithuanian American, along with where I live, Stamford Connecticut which has a very large Polish Population, from Fresh of a "LOT" Flight to Pole's who are Daughter of the American Revolution (the DAR), so, I know about the Katyn Forest, Sobibor, the first German Enigma machine handed over to the British came from Poland, the fact that Free Polish Troop's were at Normandy on D-Day, and sorry to say they were also at the Bridge too far! (Arnhem, Monty's Operation Market Garden), along with Free Polish Fighter Squadron's flying P-51 Mustang's, and being half Lithuanian, I am a were of the Yalta betrayal!. and, I don't believe if it's American it's better, I am very open mind in General, when it comes to Small Arms, the British haven't done much, since the Lee Enfield Rifle!, the Russian's Steal from everyone else!, the French, well they are the French, enough said there!, besides, John Browning, the German's, Paul Masuer and Carl Walther are the best Designer's of small arms.
mets2redsox0   
20 Oct 2009
History / Polish military in 1939 in pictures. [107]

Yawn, yet another lie on your part, yes it was issued :)

what 50?. so, you say?, 50 Prototype's?, show me one in person, did you ever shoot one?, mister know it all!.

Ah so your entire post was based on that it looked like, right that explains a lot right there :)

it's hard to see something in person, when there are only two or three of the Prototype's of the SMG left in the world!.

Yup, both the automatic wz30 and Mors smg were issued, 50 Mors and several hundred to a one thousand wz 38

that's not enough to be anything more then just emergency issue of Prototype's!, gezzs!, get a life!.

the only, only technical or conceptual similarity between German Stg44 and M1 was that they used an intermiediate bullet,

what on god's green earth are you talking about here?, the U.S. M-1 Garand Service Rilfe was in 30/06 (7.62 x 63 mm), which is almost the same as 8mm Mauser (7.92x57mm), the MP-44 was in 8mm Kurz (7.92x33mm), which the Russian's Copied for the AKM-47, AK-47, Type 56 and the SKS's 7.62x39mm (which is a .303bore, not a .308 bore by the way!).

You know, only a very rude, demeaning and very, very condescending person, uses terms and words the way you do toward other member of "PF", Sokrates!.
mets2redsox0   
20 Oct 2009
History / Polish military in 1939 in pictures. [107]

Everything was legal, no patent was done in Poland therefore no license was needed

Wrong again!,

Only three companies took part in the competition: the American Browning company with the Browning M1917, a Czechoslovakian-built copy of Schwarzlose M.7/12 (Schwarzlose-Janeèek vz.07/12/27) and the British Vickers company with .303 Vickers. All initial tests were won by Browning. The tests were repeated in 1928, and again the American weapon proved to be the best. Thus the Polish ministry decided to purchase a license. However, it turned out that neither the Colt company nor its European representative, the Belgian company FN, had patented the design in Poland. In addition, the documentation of a recently-purchased license for Browning Automatic Rifle of the same designer was faulty. Because of that, the Polish ministry decided to order the preparation of a local version of the Browning M1917. that means, NO Royalty's were paid to John Browning or the U.S. Government!.

in fact Poles had a better indigenous automatic rifle

what make and model?, Not the Prototype's!,

by 1939 Poles had a domestic design far superior to BAR (wz 38)

then it should be easy for you to name the make and model of the "Issued" not the Prototype's!, it's time for you, "to put your money where your Big Mouth is!"

You are so full of bad information, did you use to work for the Russian's?, or are You Russian?, my mon never Trusted the Russians nor do I.

militarium.net/viewart.php?aid=32
Mors had nothing to do with EMP-35, thats your fifth post in which you are cought lying, the design was fully indigenous.

I looked at that link, which takes you to the Prototype Polish SMG, it was never Issued, so, since, there is only two or three of them in the world today, I have never seen one in person, nor have I ever taken one apart!, after looking at that websight, I have to say, that The Barrel, Bolt, Upper Receiver / Receiver Tube, Cocking Handle, Magazine Housing all look like the Emma EMP-35's, the German MP-28's or the British Lanchester Mk I's, where the Trigger Group, Stock, Triggerguard all look like a Model 50 Reising's, nothing new there either!, besides, it was only a Prototype!, it was never "Issued!".

Polish automatic rifle, Germans deny copying Gewehr-43 after it despite the guns being so similar.

This was nothing more then a Prototype!, only a few were made, and only one or two are left in the world today!, it was based on the Browning BAR Machinegun, just look at the line's, it has the Classic Browning Humpback Design, just like the Browning "BAR Machinegun", the Browning A-5 Shotgun and the Browning Semi-Auto Sporting Bar Rifle!.
mets2redsox0   
20 Oct 2009
History / Polish military in 1939 in pictures. [107]

unfeasable due to financial issues

is that why?, the Copied Browning Model of 1917 was an unlicensed copy??, I bet no Royalty's were paid to John Browning or the U.S. Government, were they??.

On the other hand there's an automatic rifle, a smg, an lmg,

what Model's are you talking about?, that were "Issued", not Just Prototype's, but, "Issued" Military Weapon's??.

Pistolet maszynowy wz.39 Mors (Mors is Latin for death, Polish for walrus) was a Polish submachine gun designed by Piotr Wilniewczyc and Jan Skrzypiński between 1936 and 1938. It was to have become the standard submachine gun of the Polish Army some time in the 1940s. However, its production was halted by the 1939 invasion of Poland and World War II.

The design was generally modelled after the German ERMA EMP-35. Common feature of both was a wooden butt and forward pistol grip, most noticeable difference was magazine sticking downwards in Mors instead of to the left side.

self.gutenberg.org/articles/pistolet_maszynowy_mors_wz._39

And you know, what Really makes me Sick to think, when the Polish Army gave-up to the Germans and the Russians, they give them BAR's, they (the Polish Army) should have Destroyed the BAR's before Giving-up!, Gezzs!.

During the Polish Defensive War of 1939, the rkm wz. 1928 was the standard LMG used by all Polish infantry units. The German Wehrmacht captured a number of Polish-made Browning guns and used them until the end of World War II under the designation of lMG 28 (p). A number was also seized by the Red Army and used during the war.
mets2redsox0   
20 Oct 2009
History / Polish military in 1939 in pictures. [107]

our own machineguns, automatic rifles

here you go again!!

My Mother, use to say, "You can Drag a Horse to water, but, you can't make him Drink!", my mom was 100% Lithuanian, and I am not saying America is better then Poland, or anything like that, but, I have been dealing in Automatic Weapon's for almost Thirty Year's!, and I know a little bit about the Subject!, oh, and I forgot to add the name's of the Mauser's to my list of the Most important people in Firearms History!.

the Most important people in Post 1850 Firearm's Design, are Sam Colt, Benjamin Herny, John Browning, John Thompson, Hiram Maxim, Dr. Richard J. Gatling, Carl Walther, the Peter Masuer, Paul Mauser and John Garand, and neither Walther or Garand were American's or the Mauser's!.
mets2redsox0   
19 Oct 2009
History / Polish military in 1939 in pictures. [107]

the Vis (Polish designation pistolet wz. 35 Vis, German designation 9 mm Pistole 35(p), often called incorrectly Radom in English sources) is a 9 mm caliber, single-action, semi-automatic pistol. Originally designed by Piotr Wilniewczyc and Jan Skrzypinski in 1930 at the Fabryka Broni (Weapon Factory) in Radom under Director Kazimierz Rawicz-Oldakowski, it was adopted in 1935 as the standard handgun of the Polish Army. Considered by many to be one of the finest handguns ever produced, it is highly prized among collectors of firearms.

But, was just another copy!, The design was generally based on American firearms inventor John Browning's Colt M1911A1, operating on the short-recoil principle, with the barrel being cammed down and away from the locking lugs in the slide. Unlike M1911, the barrel was not cammed by a link, but by a ledge of sorts, which contacts a portion of the barrel and forces it down as it is moved rearward with the slide by the recoil force, similarly as in Browning's new FN HP pistol.

Oh, I can't wait to see the Nasty thing's that "Someone" will say!, LOL!.
mets2redsox0   
14 Oct 2009
History / Polish military in 1939 in pictures. [107]

Its an original design it has nothing in common with BAR, Gewehr-43 is based in Gewehr-40 which might or might not have been copied from the Polish design but neither of them have anything to do with BAR or M1 internally or externally

Have you ever taken apart a M1 Garand?, along with a Gewehr-43?, and a MP-44? ( at the same time) the Op-Rod, Gas Tube, and the Rotating Bolt are all pretty much copies of John Garand's Design, which remember, Garand's work on the T-1's Rifle's started back in the early/mid 1920's, which pre'date's anything the German's were working on.

and for the Record, the Most important people in Post 1850 Firearm's Design, are Sam Colt, Benjamin Herny, John Browning, John Thompson, Hiram Maxim, Dr. Richard J. Gatling, Carl Walther and John Garand, and neither Walther or Garand were American's!.
mets2redsox0   
9 Oct 2009
History / Polish military in 1939 in pictures. [107]

Polish automatic rifle, Germans deny copying Gewehr-43 after it despite the guns being so similar.

come on, that's (Polish automatic rifle) a copy of the Browning A-5 Shotgun type action or a 1918 BAR (Browning Automatic Rfile) Machinegun and the Gewehr-43 is nothing more then a M-1 Garand Rilfe, Gezzs!.
mets2redsox0   
21 Jun 2009
History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

[pawian]

I am so Glad to see "we" (the free People of the world) are back on topic, since, this is the Polish Forum, and this Wonderful (less some un-happy Russin's) Thread is about 20 years of Polish Freedom!!!. :-)
mets2redsox0   
21 Jun 2009
History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

Your thoughts are the same as Homer Simpson has.ó

is that the best you can come-up with?.

I'd Rather be "Homer Simpson" then Comrade Putin!!!. :-)

You are 100% off topic, this is the Polish Forum, this Thread is about 20 years of Polish Freedom (from People like YOU!, Comrade!). :-)
mets2redsox0   
21 Jun 2009
History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

try to impress me,

why?, on God's Green Earth would I want to Impress someone like you?, for god sake!, LOL!!, as my mom use to say, "You can drag a Horse to Water, but, you can't make him Drink!". and that's not Kool-Aid!!!!.
mets2redsox0   
21 Jun 2009
History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

I am "just dumb", what is then?

I am very glad you asked that, 1, try Reading a History Book Printed Outside of the old "USSR!", 2, ask anyone from Poland, Lithuanian (I myself are 2nd Generation Lithuanian / Irish American) or anyone else Former behind the Old Iron Curtain Country's how they fell about the "USSR!". :-)
mets2redsox0   
20 Jun 2009
History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

ConstantineK

do you think that foolishness was a good joke? Quite opposite, [I think that that mistakes uncover whole bottomless of american stupidity]

well, well, we all can see, where you are from!, how's the Weather in Moscow tonight Comrad?
mets2redsox0   
20 Jun 2009
History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [339]

I think, this is a Wonderful Thread, and Pawian did a great Job!, well done!, very well done!, Now, I am old enough to remember, Pope Paul the 6th and John Paul the 1st, and I have to say, the one person who has not come up so-far is Ronald Wilson Reagan.

without John Paul II, the Solidarity Movement is Crushed sooner or later, and without Reagan, the KGB kill John Paul II in time, without the Friendship between Reagan and the Pope along with their mutually bond of hating the Communist!, how the world would have been a very different place, if on November the 4th, 1980 "Jimmy Carter" (aka President Peanut) beats Reagan.

on November the 4th, 1980;

The Russians are in Afghanistan.

The KGB is planing on killing the Pope (the first attempts was on May 13th, 1981).

52 Americans were held hostage in Iran (from November 4, 1979) for One Full Year!.

Time Magazine Cover Ronald Reagan & Pope John Paul II February the 24th, 1992 Issue Cover:


  • Reagan__John_Paul_I.jpg