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I've heard of him. A Jewish carpenter that lived in the middle of the desert over 2,000 years ago.

What makes him any more special, that you can prove, than anyone else? You don't actually believe he turned water into wine, or that he parted the Red Sea, or that he could heal the sick with his bare hands, or that he walked on water, or that he literally died and resurrected 3 days later, do you? And surely you must not think that he was the first guy to think The Golden Rule was a nice concept, right? What about the man that lived inside a whale, Noah and his Ark, or better yet, the talking snake?

All that is contained in the same book that you hold so sacred. With all that BS the Bible is full of, what makes you think anything written about Jesus Christ is actually true?

You know what is more likely? He was just a charismatic man that had a lot to say and people made a God out of him. Oh, and then decided to write about him decades, or even centuries after his death.

Ever hear of the game telephone? Imagine a couple hundred years of telephone amongst ignorant, illiterate, completely uneducated peasants in the middle of a desert and then you tell me, do YOU know him?

USA, Canada / Getting a VISA to USA by a Polish person nowadays [339]


What I gather online is that regardless of your visa, if you have spent 5 consecutive years in the USA as a resident with legal papers, you can apply for citizenship. Work visas are generally shorter than 5 years so like I said earlier, if your company decides to keep you longer or resign you or something, you can go ahead and apply. I don't have direct experience with this but from what I see online, that's the deal.

I'd imagine a lot of young people get a study visa and while in school, get married to an American and obtain citizenship that way. As long as you carry something like a minimum of 6 credits per semester your study visa is still valid, you don't even have to be a full time student. You can also work on a study visa.

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you're making general comments about immigration.....i don't know where you're going with this.

my point is that if you get a work permit to work in the usa, attaining citizenship is very doable if you are a good worker and obey the law.


what kind of visa?

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The main difference, aside from the high frequency of occurence (go figure, men sworn to celebacy for life tend to be gay or sexual deviants) is that these guys are usually sent out to hide in Europe somewhere and are never prosecuted. If a doctor or anyone else for that matter was caught molesting a child, you can be sure where he/she is taking up residency.

The catholic church has proven to be above the law for as long as it has existed. If someone from your family was sexually assaulted by a priest, you'd want him in jail more than anything, but you know how slim the chances are that he'd even spend a single day behind bars.


And how exactly did Catholicism get started?

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Then the general feeling is incorrect.

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who said anything about staying long term?

if long term is your goal, you go on a work visa and you can stay as long as the company wants you there. work visas have to have an expiration date for obvious reasons, but they can easily be renewed by the hosting company. America doesn't kick out tried and true, law abiding tax payers that enter and stay legally.

If you decide to stay, you can marry an american citizen which is the quickest way to citizenship or wait till you are there for 5 years and apply for citizenship then. Whether you go single or with a family, citizenship is no more than 5 years away if the USA is where you decide to live.

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the fact is, people enter the USA through 2 countries mainly on foot or in the back of a van, neither of which provide any documentation of their arrival, or departure. even if they got a visa and flew directly onto american soil, once they overstay, they're not going to try and leave by plane from the USA, they're gonna skate over to Canada or Mexico. keeping track of in and out is a tough job.


Ironside?

It's amazing what flies on this forum as long as an American doesn't write it.

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you've got it all wrong, dude. gotta read.

the USA is pretty mum, at least as far as I've been able to find out, about how many poles each year actually overstay. the "formula" they use is the percentage of those that get refused a visa when they apply. The maximum used to be around 10% a few years ago.....it is now 3% so if Poland, in 2012, has more than 3% of its applicants get refused a visa, they remain out of the VWP.

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My 2 groszy:

hammer the grammar. polish is so grammar intensive that if you don't get it down pat, you will struggle forever (and poles will struggle to understand you).

I absolutely hammered grammar for the first 2 years. I'd write down word after word that one would use on a daily basis and then throw every preposition at it and case to make sure that i could use it in conversation no matter what word I would use it with or what preposition.....that's when you've actually learned a word in Polish.

In 2 years, my vocab was still small but I could conjugate everything I knew just like a Pole. During year 3, I was easily able to pile on new vocab and simply memorize it to learn it because if I remembered what the word meant I could drop it into a sentence in any situation and it would come out grammatically correct. My vocab easily doubled during my 3rd year because i had the base to build it on.

After that, go nuts with conversation. You can then start to learn through osmosis much more and your fluency will pick up. The key though is to put in the hard times in the beginning, otherwise you're on a road to broken Polish.

My wife still laughs at my Polish because I'll come out with an absolutely beautiful sentence in Polish with complex verbiage and perfect conjugation/case endings, and then in the next minute, I'll have no idea how to say the simplest thing because I can't think of the damn word. What fails me is simply not knowing a word, but nearly never because I can't conjugate it, and that's just a matter of simple memorization. That's the point you need to get to if you want to speak Polish well.....where all that's left is memorization.

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No argument there.


I'm not arguing that either (or agreeing, just sayin') but you will surely get some flack for that comment. A lot of people on here think the refusal rates are completely unjust and unfair.


Yep.

let me ask you this MoOli, from what you're saying, you would agree with the current policy the USA has in place? the screening process is working? it's "justified"? if the ones they're stopping are bound to be illegal, they should keep them out, no?

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It's all man made. I'm sure there are plenty of religious people that have invented lots of "gadgets" that do more harm than good, starting with the guillotine. This is a stupid conversation.

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I think they will eventually relax the restrictions on Poles but I think mentioning their cooperation in wars and offering their military simply doesn't apply.

Poland is not part of the VWP because their Visa refusal rate is too high, whether that number is justifiable or not. It's a simple rule of the VWP that Poland cannot satisfy. A completely seperate issue.

If they've been offering support to the C.I.A., providing military support in Iraq, etc., well that's great and it's appreciated by American soldiers I'm sure, but the military doesn't make immigration laws.

So many Poles on this forum insist that Poles no longer have any interest in going to the USA now, that they're way better off going to another EU country for work and travel, cheaper flights, that the US economy isn't what it used to be, on and on.....so why be concerned about it? 90% of them get travel visas anyhow.

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It also gave us computers and the internet......so I'm assuming you're entering your posts on PF through mental telepathy.

Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]


That's nice.

I prefer those things, plus the other things.

Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]


no, it's not "just about", but yeah, i kinda relate freedom a little bit to whether or not someone has their foot on top of my head telling me what and when i can buy basic essentials for every day life.

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Why can you not argue with scripture?

Simple question.

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yeah, that's all I needed to read. surely you lived in the land of freedom, after all, you had meat on the table once every two weeks when the "peasant woman" stopped by from the "illegal home butchery." haha.....oh man.

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that was exactly my experience. unanimously they said that they had no freedom, couldn't travel, couldn't afford to even if they were able to, stores were empty, etc.

Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]


And I'm sick of asking the mods to do something about your constant personal attacks. It's getting pretty ridiculous.

Make your point. No, seriously....why did you just say that. Make your point.

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Here's the difference (I can't believe we're even discussing this):

Poles: "Sir, you can go here, here, here, or here."

Brits: "Sir.....you can go anywhere you want."

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That's what I have, free of any religion.

You surely are a horrible representative for this "way of life" you speak of.

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who is suggesting that those things should be the basis of the nation's life? nobody is making that claim.

and yes, it is all about us, but it is not because of atheism. you have absolutely no proof of that....because there is none.

holy crap you are over the top. holy roller extraordinaire.

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technically that's correct, because they can refuse a visa to a pole for whatever reason they like, because they are polish. if they weren't polish but a member of a country within the VWP, they couldn't do that.

it's the law and it's their decision (their country), but i guess it can be seen as a form of discrimination, why not.

some people though have reasons to discriminate against others.

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Precisely what I routinely heard from all my older students.

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why are you only talking about how "well traveled" they are? plus, who thinks americans are well traveled? don't like 85% of them not even own a passport?


What makes you think I don't have a clue? Where do you come up with this stuff? Where do you get YOUR source on this topic?

I'll tell you how I know this, because I've spoken to a gadzillion Poles who all told me exactly what I'm telling you. Say what you want dude, but my boots were on the ground long enough to know these things.

Oh, that, and the fact that once you step outside a big city rynek, you're hard pressed to find anyone over 30 that can speak any english at all.

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I didn't ask you to show me my post again. I wrote it, I know what it says.

I'm asking you to do the intelligent thing and put your money where your mouth is. Where am I scorning someone's faith in that post?


what a load of crap that is. speaking of ad nauseam....

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More BS mods. Do something.


if you don't see how greater opportunity and exposure to "more" leads to individualism, then I can't help you.

I found Poles to be quite cookie cutter, especially the men.


seriously, just give up on that one.

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Honestly mods, I'd like to express my opinion without personal attacks and lies from Delphiandomine. I did nothing to provoke this crap. I simply answered the OP's question.


having more money provides more opportunity and greater exposure. this is common sense.


we obviously have different defnitions of "widely".


I just figured I'd point that one out to you too, mods.

Life / Individualism in Polish culture...Is it almost Nonexistant? [170]

Polish people are very individualistic? Man, I just don't see how.

The entire country is white.

The entire country is Catholic.

Communism not long ago, people weren't even able to travel, or couldn't afford to do so.

Limited funds for years and years which simply exposes you to "less".

Limited international media exposure, especially those that don't speak English, which was nearly everyone until the 1990's.

On paper, Poland is a recipe for "Vanilla". If Poland seems invidualistic to you, you probably need to travel more.

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FALSE.


hahaha. you tell us all how much america sucks, and then you apply for citizenship in "America Light".

You clearly are scorning the USA just because you couldn't get in.